Topic: Report a Signature Campaign Spammer! - page 5. (Read 2956 times)

Seriously?
You have a spreadsheet with 150 or so rows and it's such an impossible task to split a column in 3 each with one piece of information (bitcointalk names/ telegram name / stake name) and delete the sensitive data?

How does that spreadsheet look like that is such a gargantuan task to do that it will take you probably another week to?
It's only one row like
stompixtelegramuserstompixstakeusernamstompix645464901350.000750.02625 ?

I'm pretty sure that at least for this people will help you for free. Besides, there are plenty of tutorials around.

PS.
That number is not my cat catching mice on the keyboard

Which are thanks to a small group unaccessible for these posters

Right now, the vast majority of the people in your campaign are posting garbage. Your participants have a median of 3 merit, nearly 40% have zero or 1 merit, and nearly 2/3 have 5 or less merit. There are 51 accounts that posted in your signature campaign thread that are perma banned, and although they all might not have been participating in your campaign when they were banned, I suspect the majority of them probably were.

One might be able to argue that you have a lot of shitty posters because of poor planning, poor screening of potential participants or a lack of supervision of participants, all of which I believe to be true. However the root cause is that you are paying garbage rates, and are attracting garbage posters. No one capable of making good posts that contributes to the community would have any interest in advertising for you based on what you are paying. There are many other advertising campaigns that pay 10x per post higher than what you pay, and the majority of those participating in these campaigns do not make the maximum number of posts.

You are correct in saying that increasing your pay rate would increase the number of people wanting to participate in your campaign. However your standards for accepting participants is currently zero, and if you were to increase your standards, the increase in those wanting to participate who qualify will not be as high, or perhaps will even decline if your standards are high enough. As it stands now, less than 3% of your campaign participants have over 50 earned merit, and less than 9% have greater than 30 merit. The people you are hiring are doing an objectively bad job at posting.

I don't care what you do, but you need to do something to remove the spammers from your signature campaign. If you want to attract good posters in anything except sporadic numbers, you will need to increase your pay rates, by a lot. I somewhat suspect that you are paying people on your platform next to nothing, and are accepting everyone who asks to join because you want to get these people to deposit their own money into your platform and gamble away that additional money, and accepting any and everyone is a way to attract additional customers.

I have no idea why you would think your spreadsheet would be iconic. It is essentially a list of spammers.

Except for telegram names, all of this information is already in your thread because you asked people to post it in your thread.

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If you do not have time to personally manage your campaign, which I do not think you do (or at least you are unwilling to personally invest a lot of time into your campaign), I would strongly suggest hiring someone to help manage it. I would suggest talking to either DarkStar_ or yahoo62278 about this. Both have experience managing fairly large advertising campaigns, and to my knowledge do not have any problems with nepotism in choosing who they accept into their campaigns. 

I think it might finally be time to release the most iconic spreadsheet member list ever known to Bitcointalk. I've kept it private because I didn't want people abusing it since it had Telegram names, Bitcointalk names and Stake names all in one place. Since I was making announcements to everyone in a Telegram group it was important for the people in the group to know who is who and where. I've now created a Telegram channel with a private members list so it's no longer needed for everyone to know who is who on Telegram. This means I can release a public spreadsheet listing only Bitcointalk usernames and put nobody at any risk. We can expect to see a members list after the next payout because when I remove people I let them finish the week and collect a final payment.



I think for evidence we just need to post enough to get the attention of a campaign manager to further manually review the claim. As for the total number of reports I've made I'm not sure. I don't report people often but I am holding 100% accuracy. I think there's a flaw with the report system when it comes to signature campaigns. You can report someone and they get all of these posts removed but they don't get banned so when a campaign manager checks the posts they see nothing and just think they didn't post much.

I guess I clicked quote after the edit and didn't see but just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it's impossible this can easily work and it already is. If anything I'm eliminating spam by bringing everyone here instead of people making multiple threads on the same topic

Close this thread.

This has nothing to do with you nor your campaign. This has to do with the very idea of having a thread for reporting spammers.

I tried this in the past and I realized all too soon that it was a waste of time. Leaving behind "evidence" of their spam is ridiculous because for 99.9% of cases you need not look further than their most recent posts.

The amount of time it takes for your construction of such a post against one given spammer is equivalent to the amount of time that you could make a few score good reports against both the spammer thereof and others.

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How many posts have you reported, Steve?

I don't mind reporting all the spammers including the spam posts and the reason why the post is a spam and you would be wasting money by keeping them in the campaign BUT I wouldn't do that for free. There should be some sort of bounty or rewards for reporting a spammer. Otherwise, I could be your campaign manager and make sure I put in efforts to manage the campaign properly as I'm getting paid for the job.

They have said in the past that participants can go on "vacation" for as long as they want and still remain in the campaign.

(if they were removed and are currently inactive, they would not have any recent spammy posts)

Could you post a public spreadsheet or at least PM me a link to one so that I can see who's actually still in the campaign and who is removed but just inactive and still wearing the signature? Thanks.

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

op i think you’re havin a tough time with the thread because people expect a manager of a campaign to handle it..

No one wants to do your work for you. And like you said, people will try to join other campaigns. Thus, it's better to directly report spammer's posts to mods because:
a) The spam gets deleted and thus not paid for
b) Mods might get fed up of Stake spam and issue a signature ban, which is much more permanent than playing whack-a-mole against every new spammer you accept
c) Users will get banned *eventually* and thus can't join another campaign (I've had a few 7 day bans and a 30 day signature ban issued from what I've seen)
d) You don't have a public spreadsheet AFAIK and Stake is definitely the biggest target right now, excluding altcoin bounty spam. BitVest/777Coin are also issues but to a lesser extent. I can't even confirm that you did anything.

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With that out of the way, here's your first actual report.

Bitcointalk username: LUCKMCFLY
From campaign: Stake
Accusation: Spam
Evidence: 135 posts deleted on BPIP. 92+ good reports from me personally and 0 bad ones. Likely serving a 7 day temp ban right now.

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No.

You're getting paid for that post? I think you're trolling me honestly

Trolling is specifically against the rules.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

Yep, they really are huge hypocrites, they think they are above the spammers just because they have slightly better posting quality but they also force themselves to post. I have a paid signature and I definitely feel more encouraged to post.

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

This is very true. If we want to see an instant drop of 100% of the spam on Bitcointalk all we need to do is remove every pay per post offer. We would also see a significant drop in spam across the forum from all campaigns if the pay rates dropped. Don't be fooled by people saying a lower pay rate encourages spam because it's actually a higher pay rate that gives incentive for spammers to come here and squeeze in as many posts as possible.

When I reverted the pay rate in the Stake campaign the number of posts for the week instantly dropped a large amount after barely anyone left which is undeniable evidence that lower pay rates cause less posts in total and that means less chance of spam.

Think of it like this, are you more likely to spam Bitcointalk and force posts out if you make $100 per post or 1 cent per post?

You should know that there is no bad advertisement. Noone is not going to buy a product just because he hated a commercial. What happens is the opposite of what you think. The brand always gains .
The bounty manager made these rules in order to raise awareness of the brand of Stake.com and he succeeded. Everyone is talking about Stake.com from what I see.

It is obvioius that it has destroyed the other campaigns and you keep crying about spammers and asking staff members to delete and ban participants. Seriously what you should be asking is to stop all bounty activities on this forum if you only have pure intentions. This would actually raise the quality of posts and stop spam immediately. But this is exactly what 99/100 of you do for a liviing as it seems. So you made something like a union and make demands on what goes against your interests. This is exactly how this looks.

I didn't know wtf Stake.com was until bounty-hunters spammed the Stake avatar on every thread. I think at least 90% of people that use bitcointalk didn't know about them either. Most of you probably haven't studied how marketing works or what a marketing plan is. This bounty manager is probably 100 times more efficient than any of you, he obviously got paid way more than most of you will ever make and right now he is trolling you hard with this post because he did his job and doesn't care about you. And you still keep spamming bs and cry about the quality of his bounty. You basically have no idea how marketing works.

Now read this to be clear: I absolutely hate marketing and advertisment. I participated in a few bounties and I hated this promotional bullshit even more than I already did. But I have a fucking clue what this is about and you people behave like it is something that has rules (everyone has in mind different rules too), but it doesn't. Do you realize how clueless you look? Do you understand why this guy is trolling you like this? These old members from 2012-13 that always have an avatar are basically the ones that didn't hold their bitcoins since 2013, but sold them for peanuts, or gambled them on some shitty online casino and now think they can make this activity their main job for the next 20 years. Seriously these are your life targets? Being a bounty-hunter? Again, this looks like you are crying and asking to takeover this guy's campaign.

Do you think Stake.com didn't notice if it was succesful and that they want your opinion? I'm feeling this forum doesn't have much to offer. Everyone is writing something, having his own personal agenda in mind. So now you deserve the trolling from this guy that probably doesn't even care about bitcoin, or technology in general, or trading. He just did the job way better than you. Hating him only makes you look bad. You talk about quality but still you ask certain number of posts in all campaigns. And what I read from other campaign posts? Same useless posts.

So if the current staff of bitcointalk wants to have more quality it should actually ban all promotional activities as I hate reading what a paid avatar has to answer to me.

It's almost as if everyone is wearing an invisible yobit signature or something with how much it's talked about still. The only reason I even went on their site is because everyone talking about it so much lol
 

The highest quality posters you can find are those who post for free and aren't part of a signature campaign because they're genuinely posting and not for money. Can you imagine the amount of spam on this forum if I made a huge pay rate? Everyone would be having a field day spamming Bitcointalk as fast as possible. I believe people are unhappy with these pay rates because it proves the value of a post is far far less than we make it out to be. It's simple supply and demand, if I make this offer and so many people are still trying to join then it's obvious the pay rates could be lower and still have new members wanting to join. I know the counter argument will be "they're low quality" but how is that even an argument because under that assumption you're saying Bitcointalk is mostly low quality people.

60% of the campaign is ranked Senior or higher. If we add full members we go up to over 82%.
Last week's average post count per member? 22.45

I think there's more to this than wanting to prevent spam and people don't like that other campaign managers will look at what I'm doing and wonder why they're paying so much for the same thing. Other campaign managers should be lowering their pay rates if anything because the demand for their campaign will not drop. Everyone has their agenda, I know it's not all about potential spam and that's why I get more people who aren't part of the campaign complaining about the pay rates than people who are in it.

That's why you use chipmixer . Because it's a low paying offer heh?
The exclusion of participants in any decent campaign forces them to accept shitty campaigns like stake.

You are the main issue people are spamming on these low-quality campaigns.

Demanding for themselves a better pay to not be forced to spam but post only quality content but at the same time deny access to the majority of participants to be able to earn a decent commission without being forced to spam.

You are a hypocrite like the rest of you


BTW maybe you can point me as DT member who is attacking Stake a rule which he broke?
Because I can't find it.