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Topic: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed - page 85. (Read 119161 times)

legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
yeah, im on the boat with sigban 2+ and temp as well.  The evidence is clear.

There has to be some repercussion for ones actions....    no matter how good of a person they seem to be.


To be frank:  I have met some of the nicest felons before.... that doesn't change the facts of their actions.

I had a very close friend from 14 to 15.

He got into heroin when he was 16 and he stabbed his girlfriend in her throat with a pencil ✏️

She bleed to death.  He truly was a nice person yet he made a mess out of her life and his own.
legendary
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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
yeah, im on the boat with sigban 2+ and temp as well.  The evidence is clear.

There has to be some repercussion for ones actions....    no matter how good of a person they seem to be.


To be frank:  I have met some of the nicest felons before.... that doesn't change the facts of their actions.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Also back 2015 no one gave a shit about the issue.

Actually, we did. Other mods and I have banned many a plagiarist even earlier than that (definitely as early as 2013).



I have seen permabans for plagiarism based on four or five  words in a row.

I would be pretty sure that bans done from 2010 to 2015 were not like some of the ones done over the last year or two.

I helped and argued for two or three people helping them to have their bans lifted due to really over done plagiarist charges.


I will rephrased my statement to this

Before 2015 I did not track these bans.  I did not give a shit about them because I had not seen the ridiculous bans I have seen since 2018.

I helped

bittawm

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bittawm-144811

with his appeal


tvplus0017 can't remember the name was helped by me and others




because the bans were not fair

I don't think anyone should be banned permanently for plagiarism on first offense.




  But a 30 or 60 or 90 day temp ba and a 1 or 2 year signature ban with the signature reading" I am signature banned due to plagiarism"

 seems fine to me.

   The case I make  for lauda punishment is a signature ban 1 or 2 years plus
a temporary ban 1 or 2 or 3 months.



and take back quite a few permabans done to other people.

Lets go to 1 2 3 strikes you are out on plagiarism.


note i edited stakes to strikes.


and we really should look at some of the permabans done. as some were wrong.
legendary
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We haven't had a good relationship with Lauda any time soon. He asked me to ban, but I wouldn't want someone who has 26401posts to be posted in the forum due to a few bugs. A good or bad history and many more mysteries account...
I am not angry with anyone, my anger is about behavior.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
Having thoroughly investigated the matter, I think that this is one of those rare corner cases of the lability of the human brain.  I do not think that Lauda realized what she was doing, or intended to rip off other people’s texts.  I also don’t think that Lauda could fool me.

I do take into consideration that I have substantially interacted with Lauda, and I have seen her repeat things by rote in the course of ordinary conversation.  (Just not from text written by other people—insofar as I am aware—and not so much as here.)  I am too amateurish in textual criticism to be sure; but from my reading of the posts side by side with the source texts, I don’t think it’s implausible that she interpolated her own words with memorized talking points, without even thinking about it.

Occam's razor says that Lauda checked Google or Wikipedia for supporting arguments in a discussion and copied some phrases verbatim or with minor changes. I'd buy the talking point excuse if it was something simple, e.g. "blockchain is a decentralized ledger", but not "meanwhile, another invisible Spirit (the Holy Spirit) is constantly at work behind the scenes around the earth, keeping the whole thing straight and intervening whenever he can".

Regardless of the reason why the text was unattributed, it's still plagiarism. If he said something like "I've heard that " or anything else indicating that the text or the idea was authored by someone else - that would probably be sufficient to not consider it plagiarism even if the actual source is not provided.

Between that, the manner of her response, and the sincerity with which Lauda despises plagiarism (including what happened here), I do not think that any action is warranted in this matter.

Well, I very sincerely hate scammers and yet I don't think that'd be a good excuse for scamming someone even if I do it while sleepwalking or drunk and don't remember it afterwards.

As a practical matter, if Lauda were hypothetically to be banned for posts made in 2014–2015, then the archives should be scrutinized; and every user who has ever committed a plagiarism here should be banned, going back to the time when this forum was hosted at forum.bitcoin.org, or even when it was a Sourceforge forum.  Not that I would object to that, in and of itself.

There is nothing preventing you from doing that.



It adds credence to Kalemder and Suchmoon's comments regarding "word-spinning".

To be clear: I mentioned word spinning only as an example of plagiarism that is not copypasta. I didn't intend to say that word spinning is somehow relevant to Lauda's case.

To me, this is the most damning evidence of text edited post facto by someone with a different reading/writing level.

How does this (or anything in your post) make any difference?
newbie
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A obvious Lauda alt, makes a valiant first post defending Lauda

stfu, Lauda

Did you even read the post? I gave examples of Lauda's posts having two grammatical "voices" - one unique to Lauda (with common ESL errors), and one shared by the alleged plagiarized content (with noticeably better use of punctuation, except for where Lauda is substituting in their own words, or "word-spinning").

I mentioned it backing up Kalemder's post:
Copy and paste a post. Then change it a little bit. Perform originalization. I'm sorry, but this is also idea theft. In fact, this is a worse crime. Honest people refer to the source.

Other posts are already completely copy-paste.

and Suchmoon's:
Having busted many word spinners I can assure you that plagiarism is not just "copying and pasting stuff". Why do you keep doing this? There is no point arguing that plagiarism didn't occur. It did. Mods will decide the rest. Should you find yourself in a similar situation you would want the same thing, not mob justice.

I fail to see in what universe this would be called "defending" Lauda. Either you're skimming (in which case, why even comment?) or you have reading comprehension issues that need to be sorted out.

Yikes!
legendary
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drama ended
lauda will not be banned
legendary
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#SWGT CERTIK Audited
Plagiarism Alts Wars : The nth Episode.
I was about to post a pic 'bout dis but it may break ma own rules of BTCTalk neutrality.
It seems that will be a popcorn shortage soon.
newbie
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A obvious Lauda alt, makes a valiant first post defending Lauda

stfu, Lauda
legendary
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Be A Hope
A).
B).

There's another possibility.
C) He might just be a stupid "baboon". Monkeys are good thieves. Cruel baboons act collectively against others. This is an insult that.

Correct answer is C.

Source: "baboon" I should mention the source of this word.  Lauda often uses for others.
hero member
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Some people tend to plagiarize because of some reasons, for example with this forum some people are going plagiarism because..
1. Having a lack of knowledge
2. They want to create quality posts by the words of others without knowing that they could be caught in doing it.
3. They want an easy output.
4. They are not aware that they are plagiarizing (some people here are just copying the whole text and then just putting the link, this is still part of plagiarism in order to avoid this, you should do paraphrasing).

Here are some tips to avoid plagiarism created by tbct_mt2: [TIPS] to avoid plagiarism.

If someone accused you of being plagiarized and if you know that you haven't do some mistakes, try to defend yourself. Some accusations are not true, you are the only one who knows if you plagiarize something.
Wake up man, do you think this situation is the right time to give the guide? Most people here discussing about @Lauda caught up plagiarized on his old post. Please don't off topic, do you think @Lauda post is low quality from 2017-2020?
full member
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Some people tend to plagiarize because of some reasons, for example with this forum some people are going plagiarism because..
1. Having a lack of knowledge
2. They want to create quality posts by the words of others without knowing that they could be caught in doing it.
3. They want an easy output.
4. They are not aware that they are plagiarizing (some people here are just copying the whole text and then just putting the link, this is still part of plagiarism in order to avoid this, you should do paraphrasing).

Here are some tips to avoid plagiarism created by tbct_mt2: [TIPS] to avoid plagiarism.

If someone accused you of being plagiarized and if you know that you haven't do some mistakes, try to defend yourself. Some accusations are not true, you are the only one who knows if you plagiarize something.
legendary
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Something doesn't add up. I feel like there is a lot more to it than what we know.


They got what they wanted, sadly a lot of senior members are also playing into their games unknowingly. There are truths of which they are not aware of luckily. It would be a waste of time to discuss with them, trying something obviously malicious such as to equate forgetting events of 1 or 2 years ago and 5 to 6 years ago for example and more. Here's to another year of being the main topic of discussion. What year in a row is this? Lips sealed I am sorry for those who collaterally suffer because of my past.

Lauda I know wouldn't do a rookie mistake like plagiarism as she hunts down who does these.

If I were an active scambuster who were handing out punishments, I would definitely start from myself. If I had mistakes in my history, I would correct them first. (delete them) There is no way she didn't know these posts existed and she still policed people. It makes sense you know, when you start busting people left and right and making new enemies everyday, you should have known that somebody would try the same thing on you.

The possibilities are:

A) She was banned once or maybe more (so she/he says) and she thought any offense she did back then were also pardoned. So she didn't care and didn't clean those.
B) This is a bought account.

That's what my logic says anyway. Not accusing her for anything, yet. Just discussing the possibilities. I always liked the way how she were busting scammers.

*Only the admin/mods can reveal the real truth now I guess.

newbie
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Something that I find interesting in this situation is that there's a noticeable difference in grammatical errors between the alleged plagiarized content and the added "word-spun" filler - equivalent to the difference between a well-read-but-not-native English speaker and a native English speaker. These inconsistencies are sometimes clear even in the same quote. It adds credence to Kalemder and Suchmoon's comments regarding "word-spinning".

Bold emphasis is mine, red remains from previous posts in order to indicate alleged plagiarized content.




Incorrect comma usage:

Actually if SHA gets broken the problem will be on a much larger scale where Bitcoin will be irrelevant (unless globally adopted). A lot of things use SHA, for example banks.

What I'm trying to say is:
For SHA256, it effectively becomes SHA128 to a Quantum computer. Now the question remains, can a Quantum search for SHA128 faster than a classical computer search through SHA256?
With out current technology and for the near future, we still can't build a real Quantum computer that can even begin to tackle this problem, let alone solve it.


This is a noticeable change in comma proficiency mid-post. Non-native speakers often struggle with comma usage following introductory phrases: "Actually", used as an introductory phrase, is always followed by a comma.

The comma usage in "A lot of things use SHA, for example banks." reinforces this difference. A comma is (incorrectly) used to indicate an upcoming example, where a colon would be more appropriate. "A lot of things use SHA: for example, banks." would be grammatically correct but still clunky. "A lot of things use SHA: banks, for example." would be appropriate.

Compare this to AzN1337c0d3r's mirrored content, where we see much more consistent comma usage in the same situation:

For SHA256, it effectively becomes SHA128 to a Quantum computer. Now the question remains, can a Quantum search for SHA128 faster than a classical computer search through SHA256?
With our current technology and for the foreseeable future, we still cannot build a Quantum computer that can yet begin to tackle this problem, let alone solve it
in a time within our lifespan. Thus SHA256 is considered "secure enough" for now.



I see no information about 128 bit keys being broken. Any information found on stackexchange has no guarantee to be correct. It confirms what I said. SHA can't be reversed; it has to be brute forced.
It clearly indicated that quantum computers are more powerful than the computers of today, which is logical. There is no information on there internet about this. You're talking out of a hat.
Yes 128 bit security is 18446744073709551616 times faster to bruteforce than 256 bit. This doesn't mean that it is vulnerable when used.
It's obvious that people are commenting without proper knowledge in quantum related technology. The computers are not nowhere near ready to do any complicated jobs.
The main challenge in a Qcomputer is to make sure that the qubits are entangled (if you're familiar with Schrödinger’s cat you will know what I'm talking about; look that up). The computer must stay in this state (for the cat - it can't be simultaneously dead or alive) long enough to perform calculations and get results. The ones that we have can keep the state for miliseconds or maybe a couple of seconds. That's not long enough to do something useful. To break encryption these computers must have 500-2000qubits. Existing quantum computers operate with 14 qubits at maximum.
I have not forgotten about D-wave though. The company D-Wave claims that it has produced a 512 qubit Qcomputer. That is not a real quantum computer because it uses quantum annealing effect and can't demonstrate full properties of one. It is basically set to do a few specific tasks and represents no danger to encryption.
To summarize: You're wrong. Existing implementations have not shown that they can beat 128bit encryption. They aren't even close. That's the current situation. I'm not saying that in 5 years we won't have better technology. We might operate with 1400 qubits or be stuck at 140. Nobody really knows.

I've included two more examples of comma usage from above to reinforce that this does not appear to be a one-off mistake. "Yes 128 bit security is 18446744073709551616 times faster" and "To break encryption these computers must have 500-2000qubits." are both examples where the following clause needs to be indicated with a comma. Interestingly, the second example there is written correctly in the alleged source material:


Exactly how is spreading FUD related to retardation?
Fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) = is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.
FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.

One thing taught to all students in a second language program is "Read your sentence out loud." This is a common error when inserting symbols: incorrectly applied, you make existing text redundant. In this case, Lauda's version out loud would sound like "Fear, uncertainty, and doubt - FUD - equals is generally a strategic attempt...", while the alleged source material would be grammatically correct. To me, this is the most damning evidence of text edited post facto by someone with a different reading/writing level.




Again - these are mistakes you would expect to see consistently made. A fluctuation in the grasp of English grammar should not be seen mid-post, and definitely should not be clearly separated between the black text unique to Lauda and the red text of the alleged source material. I invite others to criticize as needed.

To be clear, I have no vested interest in whether anyone is banned or not. I have some opinions about what I consider to be flaws in Lauda's judgment (I don't believe that a word like "pajeet" can be separated from its intentionally-racist 4chan origins), but I find them largely irrelevant to this topic or the decision at hand.

inb4 "nice first post", "hop on your main acct", etc. The rules of language don't change based on your activity level. I've been a lurker for years, and a cursory mod search would show I'm not on TOR, not using a VPN, and have sent PMs to board members regarding similar topics.
legendary
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BTC or BUST
@Lauda

I think a 60 day ban and a 2 year sig ban would be fair.. Would you agree?

If you could agree to that I would find that respectable, I think it would appease the majority of the forum community, and would probably be agreeable to the mods for you to accept that temporary fate..


I'm not one to be super keen on banning for ancient mistakes, especially permabans for actually active members with >2 brain cells (loss of value to the forum)... But the hypocrisy in this case... Whew..


I think it would be the stand-up thing to do to welcome atleast some repercussion, short of a permaban...

What say you?



P.S. To show some humility, you should cease and desist posting outside of your ban appeal thread and/or this thread, immediately..
Acting/posting around as if nothing happened...  Tisk tisk..

Delete your signature now and start your time served early as a sign of good faith..
legendary
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Thanks; that’s good to know.  Per my prior post, I infer that hilarious was probably one of the mods bringing down the ban-hammer on plagiarists.

Was there any formal policy on this, or was it just an ad hoc decision by some mods that behaviour that can get you expelled from school really doesn’t belong on a quality forum?

Any admin, or moderator with relevant banning privileges can and could ban a user for this kind of behaviour, it always seemed like an obvious thing... if anything temp-banning and sig-banning in lieu of permabanning is a relatively new approach to give users whose post quality wasn't too bad overall a 2nd chance.

A separate question:  Is there any log of moderator actions that would reveal why BadBear banned Lauda?  It is probably not information that should be tossed into a troll feeding frenzy; but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t look.  Lauda has always specifically praised BadBear to me, when it wasn’t even remotely relevant to any current controversy; thus I infer that whatever it was, she must have learned her lesson about it.

Sorry, I don't even remember when that was. It could have happened while I was inactive.
sr. member
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A separate question:  Is there any log of moderator actions that would reveal why BadBear banned Lauda?  It is probably not information that should be tossed into a troll feeding frenzy; but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t look.  Lauda has always specifically praised BadBear to me, when it wasn’t even remotely relevant to any current controversy; thus I infer that whatever it was, she must have learned her lesson about it.

Ok, double mouth. Your input is appreciated.
copper member
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
Other mods and I have banned many a plagiarist even earlier than that (definitely as early as 2013).

Thanks; that’s good to know.  Per my prior post, I infer that hilarious was probably one of the mods bringing down the ban-hammer on plagiarists.

Was there any formal policy on this, or was it just an ad hoc decision by some mods that behaviour that can get you expelled from school really doesn’t belong on a quality forum?

A separate question:  Is there any log of moderator actions that would reveal why BadBear banned Lauda?  It is probably not information that should be tossed into a troll feeding frenzy; but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t look.  Lauda has always specifically praised BadBear to me, when it wasn’t even remotely relevant to any current controversy; thus I infer that whatever it was, she must have learned her lesson about it.
legendary
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Also back 2015 no one gave a shit about the issue.

Actually, we did. Other mods and I have banned many a plagiarist even earlier than that (definitely as early as 2013).

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