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Quote from: int03h on April 02, 2021, 10:51:06 AM

The needs of people are always increasing and the capitalists always encourage the development of the market economy. The more wealthy people are, the more motivated people are to thrive. The poor have many reasons for being poor such as force majeure in labor for the elderly, the disabled, and the terminally ill. They are poor for sure. Others are poor due to laziness, due to too many burdens. We cannot divide wealth from the rich to the poor because we cannot do it other than donations or charities.
We can only help the poor by helping them, giving them a job, giving them knowledge.
Modern society makes people more greedy and has more material needs. They will want other things bigger than they are now. If one day the rich accept only one house and a car and simply eat and drink, then only that will have the opportunity for the poor.

The whole modern market social model is built on banal human greed and is quite competitive and viable. Personally, I am not happy with some of the costs of such a model of modern capitalism, such as the excessive wealth of individual members of society, but all sorts of social experiments, such as socialist regimes and all sorts of restrictions on wealth, led to even worse results. Therefore, I am against such proposals as one house and one car, and I am in favor of creating conditions for the state to improve the well-being of the rest of the population. That is, not a restriction, but rather a stimulation of the other layers.

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Quote from: OpenCryptoSystem on January 29, 2021, 08:08:13 PM

Rich have too much !!'
Nedd laws the money u dont use long time will be taken and goved to poor

Lets take and share to poor more taxes and taxes % to me im poor
Time for revolution !!!

This is how it is, the poor in Africa for a few dollars will do anything, and most of the boys in the U.S. have an average of 100 thousand dollars on metamask without knowing how to live safely in the network. One has nothing to eat, the other complains that he is fat after mac cheese from MCD

You don't need to go too far from Africa in order to find rich boys. African leaders are pretty wealthy, while the people starves and depend on foreigner financial and medical assistance to survive.
Africa is a rich land full of minerals, but the leaders and terrorists don't want to share the profits with the rest of the locals. And why do the people allow such things happening in their own territory homeland?

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Quote from: int03h on April 02, 2021, 10:51:06 AM

The needs of people are always increasing and the capitalists always encourage the development of the market economy. The more wealthy people are, the more motivated people are to thrive. The poor have many reasons for being poor such as force majeure in labor for the elderly, the disabled, and the terminally ill. They are poor for sure. Others are poor due to laziness, due to too many burdens. We cannot divide wealth from the rich to the poor because we cannot do it other than donations or charities.
We can only help the poor by helping them, giving them a job, giving them knowledge.
Modern society makes people more greedy and has more material needs. They will want other things bigger than they are now. If one day the rich accept only one house and a car and simply eat and drink, then only that will have the opportunity for the poor.

The message in this one is twisted, especially to the last phrase you stated. There are other different opportunities for poor in different scenarios, some are given scholarships, some are given grants, some are being adopted, etc. You can't dismiss this opportunity no matter how low the probability of getting one.

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most rich actually dont have too much money but what they have the most is debts and the real rich are often poor because they are free from debts . you demand a law that is crazy , what if they hold that money for emergency use in the future . even if you hate it , its still inapropriate to force someone to donate but they can just donate if they are willing and poors shouldnt sit and depend to others but they must work hard to get out of that poverty .

yes it is right that poor people should not depend on others to get their basic necessity, their first priority should to earn money by themselves and do hard work. But there comes some condition, if the poor is unable to earn money because of some handicap or other reasons then it is the duty of rich people to help them financially.
And I think it is not a bad idea like giving specific % in money to the poor people (it is ok if the % is very very less), as we all know that ratio of poor people is much bigger that the rich one.

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Quote from: OpenCryptoSystem on January 29, 2021, 08:08:13 PM

Rich have too much !!'
Nedd laws the money u dont use long time will be taken and goved to poor

Lets take and share to poor more taxes and taxes % to me im poor
Time for revolution !!!

This is how it is, the poor in Africa for a few dollars will do anything, and most of the boys in the U.S. have an average of 100 thousand dollars on metamask without knowing how to live safely in the network. One has nothing to eat, the other complains that he is fat after mac cheese from MCD

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The needs of people are always increasing and the capitalists always encourage the development of the market economy. The more wealthy people are, the more motivated people are to thrive. The poor have many reasons for being poor such as force majeure in labor for the elderly, the disabled, and the terminally ill. They are poor for sure. Others are poor due to laziness, due to too many burdens. We cannot divide wealth from the rich to the poor because we cannot do it other than donations or charities.
We can only help the poor by helping them, giving them a job, giving them knowledge.
Modern society makes people more greedy and has more material needs. They will want other things bigger than they are now. If one day the rich accept only one house and a car and simply eat and drink, then only that will have the opportunity for the poor.

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If the rich cannot have too much money, then how can they be called rich?
If such a law existed then I am sure there would be many rich people who would be crazier to spend their money quickly, if that was the case then it would certainly be a very useless waste. So, let them or rich people be free to save their money because after all, of course there will be moments where rich people will make large donations when needed and that will certainly be better and more useful.

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They have own decision how to spend their own money, even they have a lot of money. If they give to poor people its good, but if no, again its their decision. Many rich people have more money because they invest more in their business. They buy stock in market, they save more.

Yeah, I think main topic would basically be that difference exactly. How? If we combine his ideas which I do agree that looks not good, telling people to work in a world where there is nearly 1 billion people out of work nowadays is a very very bad approach, I would say his heart is definitely not in the right place and he looks like a bad person, BUT his ideas could be used for good as well.

Since rich people are trying to get richer and poor people are having hard time finding work, how about we come to a decent middle way? Tax the rich companies and people a shit ton of money if they are just getting richer, but do tax breaks for them if they hire a lot of people, in that way rich people will try to have bigger and bigger business and will hire more and more people, that way if rich people just focus on getting richer they will be charged 99% tax and will not have any money eventually and that money will be used to help the poor, OR they could just get their business bigger and hire a ton of people which will help people too, win-win either way for poorer people.

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The rich have many legal venues to reduce their taxes, so even if they live in a place with high taxes there are ways in which they could reduce the taxes they pay while still living there, that is the whole point of companies, companies for all sake and purposes are separate entities from their owners, so while they live in a state with high taxes their company could be in a state with low or no state taxes and this will allow them the best of both worlds, pay little taxes and live wherever they want.

Does lobbying counts as tax reduction because rich people most of the time are involved in lobbying which is totally unfair because it is a sophisticated corruption. The only way for this narrative of rich people having too much money to be resolved is when the government finally realizes that they can make more money out of these companies by taxing them and not considering donations as a write offs.

It should count but technically that should be in the illegal avenues to reduce taxes, what happens is that politicians do not begin their career as corrupt but they soon see that in order to move forward they have to accept that outcome, the few that decide to not accept bribes do not make it far while the ones that do move forward, this is reverse Darwinism, instead of the fittest for the job we get the worst for it and by the time they make it to an important spot in the government they are easy to bribe by the rich.

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Quote from: uelque on March 21, 2021, 09:56:38 AM

I don't see an equality to your suggestion. For me it feels like you want to ruin much more the equality that has been broken already. Revolution shouldn't be that way. What needs improvement is how education should be given free or even much more less expensive in order for almost anyone to keep their feet on the competetive grounds.

Those rich people have been in a lot of struggles in their past, they don't simply become rich in just a snap, they work hard for it, and you should to. And not simply getting small percentage of their money that they worked hard the rest of their lives just for you who does almost nothing.

Rich have too much? They deserve it. You have nothing? maybe you also deserve it coz you haven't done anything I may say. Wink

Disagree partially. Well, some rich people have really worked hard all the way to their top, but many of them are just inheriting the money of their parents and so forth. They have worked hard no doubt, but money doesn't work like that, it doesn't always happens that output is equal to input. Human beings have limited life span, with growing population and everyone wanting to survive a good life, the rich can do more towards contributing to education and technology to make a better world for everyone. A boy gets to born in a billionaire's house and a boy getting born in a poverty filled family won't have the same life, even if the former did nothing "extra" as you said and hence having good principles is more important now than ever.

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I don't see an equality to your suggestion. For me it feels like you want to ruin much more the equality that has been broken already. Revolution shouldn't be that way. What needs improvement is how education should be given free or even much more less expensive in order for almost anyone to keep their feet on the competetive grounds.

Those rich people have been in a lot of struggles in their past, they don't simply become rich in just a snap, they work hard for it, and you should to. And not simply getting small percentage of their money that they worked hard the rest of their lives just for you who does almost nothing.

Rich have too much? They deserve it. You have nothing? maybe you also deserve it coz you haven't done anything I may say. Wink

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Quote from: OpenCryptoSystem on January 29, 2021, 08:08:13 PM

Rich have too much !!'
Nedd laws the money u dont use long time will be taken and goved to poor

Lets take and share to poor more taxes and taxes % to me im poor
Time for revolution !!!

What kind of revolution you want to recommend, there is a lot of revolution in the past but none have succeeded in equal distribution of wealth, it's not going to happen, people have the freedom to do what they want to do this is inherent on them, those who want more should have more and those who work less will have less, the talent and perseverance are not the same on all people, we are made to be different with each other when it comes to wealth distribution.

I have something to say regarding the bolded statement above.

So if I want more, then I have the authority to have more.

or what you're saying is that, anyone who wants more from this capitalistic community must work more to have more? cause in this case, then farmers should be richer than anyone else, laborers and other kind of workers should have more. But the one who is the richest of the rich are the ones whose travelling accross the world, while the poorest are the one who works in farms etc day in and day night. hmmmmm

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Rich have too much, especially because money corrupts. In this way rich are able to lobby and pay off government officials and get away with not paying taxes while the poor has no other option than pay those taxes. There are laws in different countries where people with higher income have to pay higher taxes and even fines, like Europe's nordic countries.

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Quote from: Koro-Sensei on March 14, 2021, 08:30:23 AM

Let's talk about laziness. If they give those money for free, would you really think that these poor people would still do work. Im not saying all of them, but let's say they're poor because of doing nothing and only relying to someone. It will just make them more comfortable with your kind of thinking. I believe what we need is laws that would make better opportunities for those who will work harder and probably this world might have a good future.

Not entirely true, while it's often good to teach a man how to catch fish rather than just donating them one fish, we also need to see if the man really has the means to catch fish even when we teach them. Being born into extreme poverty is like a life trapped with locks, it's easy to say they will be lazy and won't work hard, but the thing is, even if they want to work, is there any job available? We need to create job opportunities for them, giving them basic training and good education and health can give them access to many opportunities.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 20, 2021, 02:20:25 AM

Does lobbying counts as tax reduction because rich people most of the time are involved in lobbying which is totally unfair because it is a sophisticated corruption. The only way for this narrative of rich people having too much money to be resolved is when the government finally realizes that they can make more money out of these companies by taxing them and not considering donations as a write offs.

Then the problem does not lie with the "Rich" in this scenario, but to the government workers who are bribed for the sake of reducing tax.

Logically, tax for rich people are higher than normal, and many more tax are actually given to them, its just that there are many holes in the tax laws that can be avoided by doing other things. For example, building a foundation can reduce your tax greatly.

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Quote from: South Park on March 20, 2021, 01:06:25 AM

The rich have many legal venues to reduce their taxes, so even if they live in a place with high taxes there are ways in which they could reduce the taxes they pay while still living there, that is the whole point of companies, companies for all sake and purposes are separate entities from their owners, so while they live in a state with high taxes their company could be in a state with low or no state taxes and this will allow them the best of both worlds, pay little taxes and live wherever they want.

Does lobbying counts as tax reduction because rich people most of the time are involved in lobbying which is totally unfair because it is a sophisticated corruption. The only way for this narrative of rich people having too much money to be resolved is when the government finally realizes that they can make more money out of these companies by taxing them and not considering donations as a write offs.

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And they do it because they can, someone that belongs to the middle class cannot simply grab his possessions and leave, a great deal of his net worth is in his house which means that for the most part he cannot leave, besides those in the middle class still depend on their jobs which require them to show up at a time and a place, the rich do not have these limitation and when we take into account their superior resources this means that whenever they think the tax rate is being increased indiscriminately then they will just leave.

I don't know how much truth is there in such arguments. If that was the case, hardly anyone should be residing in states such as California, where the tax rates are insanely high. But rather than leaving California, rich people seems to be flocking towards that state. Rich people have their own business interests and other assets. They will stay in a region where it is possible to increase the profits from these assets. Those who leave will be hardly contributing anything to the economy, as most of their wealth will be in the liquid form.

The rich have many legal venues to reduce their taxes, so even if they live in a place with high taxes there are ways in which they could reduce the taxes they pay while still living there, that is the whole point of companies, companies for all sake and purposes are separate entities from their owners, so while they live in a state with high taxes their company could be in a state with low or no state taxes and this will allow them the best of both worlds, pay little taxes and live wherever they want.

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I think there is no such law in real life that there are rich people and there must be poor people and that the rich should basically give the poor all of it depends on the individual and the greatness of our hearts to help each other human beings

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Quote from: Hydrogen on January 29, 2021, 09:43:07 PM

People don't need money, protests or violence. They need information.

Knowledge which allows them to put current events into perspective. So they need not rely on billionaire owned media, and billionaire funded experts to explain things.

but it's not easy to do poor people have their own thoughts i try to explain about crypto / blockchain to someone else who doesn't understand and he says i am lying or it's a scam and they are afraid to use it so even if the information is given they need time to decide and believe me it won't easy.

And what you've quoted is right, it's about the information and knowledge because as you've said, you've tried to explain about it and yet they've already judged that it's a scam.
They've said that because they lack of knowledge and not fully aware that there are actual legitimate cryptocurrencies and probably, what they've only heard were those scams.

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Quote from: South Park on March 16, 2021, 02:47:00 AM

And they do it because they can, someone that belongs to the middle class cannot simply grab his possessions and leave, a great deal of his net worth is in his house which means that for the most part he cannot leave, besides those in the middle class still depend on their jobs which require them to show up at a time and a place, the rich do not have these limitation and when we take into account their superior resources this means that whenever they think the tax rate is being increased indiscriminately then they will just leave.

I don't know how much truth is there in such arguments. If that was the case, hardly anyone should be residing in states such as California, where the tax rates are insanely high. But rather than leaving California, rich people seems to be flocking towards that state. Rich people have their own business interests and other assets. They will stay in a region where it is possible to increase the profits from these assets. Those who leave will be hardly contributing anything to the economy, as most of their wealth will be in the liquid form.

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