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March 16, 2021, 01:47:00 AM
Hmm, unfortunately, redistribution of wealth has some dire economic consequences.

First of all, the rich are very good at hiding their assets, so good luck trying to steal their money when it's on offshore bank accounts or tied up into physical assets (or perhaps some even tied to bitcoin). Second of all, the best way to make a rich person flee a country (therefore no contribution to the tax pool) is to massively raise their taxes. You see this on an individual level in the United States because each state has discretion on their local tax rates. In fact, the way the US works, even municipalities can create their own tax rate. But what you end up with is the rich leaving highly taxed states for states with lower tax rates. In Europe where the entire country has the same effective tax rate, as I mentioned before, the rich will just shove their assets offshore.
And they do it because they can, someone that belongs to the middle class cannot simply grab his possessions and leave, a great deal of his net worth is in his house which means that for the most part he cannot leave, besides those in the middle class still depend on their jobs which require them to show up at a time and a place, the rich do not have these limitation and when we take into account their superior resources this means that whenever they think the tax rate is being increased indiscriminately then they will just leave.
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March 15, 2021, 09:47:00 AM
I think that such thoughts are just utopias from the universe of Thomas More.  You can't just take money from some and give it to others.  And who will give their money voluntarily?  Violence can only breed violence.  But in every possible way to encourage charity on a voluntary basis is simply necessary, helping those in need is an absolutely normal desire of a person.  Advertising campaigns and promotions, instilling from childhood the thought to children that helping one's neighbor is a common thing.  I sincerely admire people who share their fees and savings with relief funds.  Unfortunately, there are not too many such people, I myself study and work part-time in the hospital, where I constantly have to see how people do not have enough money for ordinary medicines, surgeries or rehabilitation, since state aid cannot provide patients with everything they need.  And at such moments it becomes very sad that someone is buying a fifth plane, and someone cannot buy antibiotics or inhalation cans.
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March 15, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
People will always complain about taxes, because money is always small and it is human nature  Wink Let's not forget that with a progressive tax system, the level of taxes is proportional to the level of income, and if a person earns not so much, then accordingly not so much and loses from the level of taxes and vice versa can even receive social assistance from the state. A much larger part of the population moves to other regions of the country or even to another country not because of the level of taxes, but because of higher earnings.

For blue collar workers who earn $3,000 or $4,000 a month, the taxes are in the range of 15%-20%, and they don't bother much. But for software engineers, stock traders.etc, the income tax can be 50% or more, especially if they reside in some of the high-tax jurisdictions such as California. For the latter group, it represents a dilemma. If they move away to a state such as Idaho or Montana, then the tax levels may be lower. But they won't be able to get the same salary that they get in California.
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March 15, 2021, 08:49:30 AM
No, i don't agree with that thoughts. I mean it's their right to save their assets, so it's ridiculous if they have to give it away to the poor just because they don't use it for a long time. But still, i agree that the rich should be able to distribute their wealth to the poor, help them. I think the wealth distribution to make a fair and equal society is important, but the way to do it must be thought thoroughly as well. It shouldn't make the rich feel robbed and the poor become lazy, and just expecting for the money from the rich.
But still, i think people need to work hard for the money they earn, and not expecting the free money from the rich.
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March 15, 2021, 04:11:54 AM
This idea will not improve the development of the country than to improve lazy citizens in the country, if the government put the law of giving to the poor without labour for it. Many rich men and women will withdraw their self from the area of investment because at the end of the struggle the benefits will go to the poor in the society.
I don't think any government will allow such law in the country because the poor will always depend on the rich to labour for them to consume.
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March 15, 2021, 03:35:50 AM
I hope you are just kidding. We can't take someone's money because you need this money more.
p.s. What you are talking about is progressive tax system. Progressive taxes require high-income taxpayers to pay a larger fraction of their income than low-income taxpayers. That means, as income rises, the tax rate increases as well. This tax system is designed to affect higher earners more than people with a low income.
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March 14, 2021, 10:32:22 PM
Being rich or poor is the choice of each person, because we can achieve being rich as long as we focus on making it happen. Only lazy people
in my opinion think it is impossible to be rich, because mostly poor people, especially in my country rely too much on other people to live.
Even though if someone works hard, I believe they can change lives for the better, so it is not wise if we are poor and ask the government to
take money from the rich. Regarding the tax issue between rich and poor, I agree that it must be distinguished, because the rich have more income,
so the taxes that apply must also be bigger.

I have a different view on this. Lazy people exist in this world because the government has made it possible for them to sit at home and still get welfare payments. During the middle ages, everyone had to work hard. Back then, no one could refuse to work thinking about the unemployment benefits and welfare cheques. Because there were no such payments and if someone refuses to work, then he'll simply starve to death.
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March 14, 2021, 08:38:52 PM
Being rich or poor is the choice of each person, because we can achieve being rich as long as we focus on making it happen. Only lazy people
in my opinion think it is impossible to be rich, because mostly poor people, especially in my country rely too much on other people to live.
Even though if someone works hard, I believe they can change lives for the better, so it is not wise if we are poor and ask the government to
take money from the rich. Regarding the tax issue between rich and poor, I agree that it must be distinguished, because the rich have more income,
so the taxes that apply must also be bigger.
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March 14, 2021, 06:59:24 PM
Also there is an expatriation tax related to renouncing citizenship, and the amount of Americans who live abroad who renounce there citizenship is around 0.06%, suggesting that it's just not worth it financially to undertake such an extreme measure. U.S. citizenship is worth a lot, which is something people who gripe about taxes don't appreciate fully.
People may complain a lot about the taxes, but very few would take drastic steps such as changing their residence or even citizenship. In many of the Californian cities, the total income tax (federal+state+local) easily amounts to more than 50%. But I haven't heard about large numbers moving away from these cities to take up residence elsewhere. People tend to flock to places where they have the potential to earn big, even if the tax levels are high.
People will always complain about taxes, because money is always small and it is human nature  Wink Let's not forget that with a progressive tax system, the level of taxes is proportional to the level of income, and if a person earns not so much, then accordingly not so much and loses from the level of taxes and vice versa can even receive social assistance from the state. A much larger part of the population moves to other regions of the country or even to another country not because of the level of taxes, but because of higher earnings.
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March 14, 2021, 08:12:00 AM
Also there is an expatriation tax related to renouncing citizenship, and the amount of Americans who live abroad who renounce there citizenship is around 0.06%, suggesting that it's just not worth it financially to undertake such an extreme measure. U.S. citizenship is worth a lot, which is something people who gripe about taxes don't appreciate fully.

People may complain a lot about the taxes, but very few would take drastic steps such as changing their residence or even citizenship. In many of the Californian cities, the total income tax (federal+state+local) easily amounts to more than 50%. But I haven't heard about large numbers moving away from these cities to take up residence elsewhere. People tend to flock to places where they have the potential to earn big, even if the tax levels are high.
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March 14, 2021, 07:30:23 AM
Let's talk about laziness. If they give those money for free, would you really think that these poor people would still do work. Im not saying all of them, but let's say they're poor because of doing nothing and only relying to someone. It will just make them more comfortable with your kind of thinking. I believe what we need is laws that would make better opportunities for those who will work harder and probably this world might have a good future.
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March 13, 2021, 11:55:07 PM
Hmm, unfortunately, redistribution of wealth has some dire economic consequences.

First of all, the rich are very good at hiding their assets, so good luck trying to steal their money when it's on offshore bank accounts or tied up into physical assets (or perhaps some even tied to bitcoin). Second of all, the best way to make a rich person flee a country (therefore no contribution to the tax pool) is to massively raise their taxes. You see this on an individual level in the United States because each state has discretion on their local tax rates. In fact, the way the US works, even municipalities can create their own tax rate. But what you end up with is the rich leaving highly taxed states for states with lower tax rates. In Europe where the entire country has the same effective tax rate, as I mentioned before, the rich will just shove their assets offshore.

For a country such as the United States, the risk of rich people renouncing their citizenship in order to avoid paying higher taxes is very low. Even rich people have their businesses and most of the immovable assets within the US. Renouncing the US citizenship would mean that now these businesses and assets would no longer be taxed under a favorable regime. Same can be said about the European Union, where the taxes are much higher than what they have in the United States.

Also there is an expatriation tax related to renouncing citizenship, and the amount of Americans who live abroad who renounce there citizenship is around 0.06%, suggesting that it's just not worth it financially to undertake such an extreme measure. U.S. citizenship is worth a lot, which is something people who gripe about taxes don't appreciate fully.
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March 13, 2021, 11:10:16 PM
Hmm, unfortunately, redistribution of wealth has some dire economic consequences.

First of all, the rich are very good at hiding their assets, so good luck trying to steal their money when it's on offshore bank accounts or tied up into physical assets (or perhaps some even tied to bitcoin). Second of all, the best way to make a rich person flee a country (therefore no contribution to the tax pool) is to massively raise their taxes. You see this on an individual level in the United States because each state has discretion on their local tax rates. In fact, the way the US works, even municipalities can create their own tax rate. But what you end up with is the rich leaving highly taxed states for states with lower tax rates. In Europe where the entire country has the same effective tax rate, as I mentioned before, the rich will just shove their assets offshore.

For a country such as the United States, the risk of rich people renouncing their citizenship in order to avoid paying higher taxes is very low. Even rich people have their businesses and most of the immovable assets within the US. Renouncing the US citizenship would mean that now these businesses and assets would no longer be taxed under a favorable regime. Same can be said about the European Union, where the taxes are much higher than what they have in the United States.
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March 13, 2021, 11:02:42 PM
Rich have too much !!'
Nedd laws the money u dont use long time will be taken and goved to poor

Lets take and share to poor more taxes and taxes % to me im poor
Time for revolution !!!

Rich people are one of the most taxed people here in our country, I agree that the poor should have allocation coming from the government, but what they really need are opportunities to lift their condition, if you are poor then get an education so you can become a professional and go to work, or set up a business, you don't need dole up be a productive citizen so you can help your government.

Get and Education can be easily say by any person especially those with advantages in the society. But you may very well know that education is not that affordable especially to those poor ones. Yes, there is student loans, but not all students are capable of even living by their own, especially when there are family problems that is problematic for them.

There are many factors to be considered before they can get an "Education" and this factors might be unreasonable for us, but it is reasonable for them as they are the one experiencing it.

But I am not saying that we should give the poor the money from the rich. It is just that the gap is too big already.

Solutions in this kind of problem is situational and must be taken seriously.
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March 13, 2021, 10:45:23 PM
Rich have too much !!'
Nedd laws the money u dont use long time will be taken and goved to poor

Lets take and share to poor more taxes and taxes % to me im poor
Time for revolution !!!

Rich people are one of the most taxed people here in our country, I agree that the poor should have allocation coming from the government, but what they really need are opportunities to lift their condition, if you are poor then get an education so you can become a professional and go to work, or set up a business, you don't need dole up be a productive citizen so you can help your government.
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March 13, 2021, 09:37:31 PM
Hmm, unfortunately, redistribution of wealth has some dire economic consequences.

First of all, the rich are very good at hiding their assets, so good luck trying to steal their money when it's on offshore bank accounts or tied up into physical assets (or perhaps some even tied to bitcoin). Second of all, the best way to make a rich person flee a country (therefore no contribution to the tax pool) is to massively raise their taxes. You see this on an individual level in the United States because each state has discretion on their local tax rates. In fact, the way the US works, even municipalities can create their own tax rate. But what you end up with is the rich leaving highly taxed states for states with lower tax rates. In Europe where the entire country has the same effective tax rate, as I mentioned before, the rich will just shove their assets offshore.
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March 13, 2021, 08:42:22 PM
Lottery is the only way and theres no other than that. lol

We are all doing our best to gain money and making ourselves financially free and its up to someone if they do give out something back into those who are in need but on mandating on sharing up the fortune
with those who are in need to make it mandatory isnt really just a right thing.Always consider on how those fellas do work hard and make out investment to reach that certain state.

If you are jelous on such scenario then start on working up hard and do find all sorts of things to make yourself better.
In most cases, only a person who has earned his fortune as a supporting worker knows how to value not only work, but also his wealth. Thus, his status as a wealthy person will be long-term, unlike those who received a reward through the lottery. Very often, such people use the money received from the lottery very thoughtlessly and lose it very quickly. Therefore, such a rich person very quickly becomes ordinary or poor again.

Not necessarily, that's why there are financial advisors as a job. People who wins the lottery can easily hire and consult a financial advisor on what they can do the maintain their wealth. As far as I know, Lottery operators gives people advice and recommendations and such that it will help the winner think about what they can do to their winnings. Only a fool will disregard this advices. Maybe there will be some lottery winners that became ordinary after a while, but most of them stay rich and earning.
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March 13, 2021, 03:44:09 AM
Lottery is the only way and theres no other than that. lol

We are all doing our best to gain money and making ourselves financially free and its up to someone if they do give out something back into those who are in need but on mandating on sharing up the fortune
with those who are in need to make it mandatory isnt really just a right thing.Always consider on how those fellas do work hard and make out investment to reach that certain state.

If you are jelous on such scenario then start on working up hard and do find all sorts of things to make yourself better.
In most cases, only a person who has earned his fortune as a supporting worker knows how to value not only work, but also his wealth. Thus, his status as a wealthy person will be long-term, unlike those who received a reward through the lottery. Very often, such people use the money received from the lottery very thoughtlessly and lose it very quickly. Therefore, such a rich person very quickly becomes ordinary or poor again.
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March 13, 2021, 02:21:42 AM
The lottery always depends on luck it is not the same everywhere the lottery can make people rich and throw them into the poor therefore, one should try to become rich by using one's life and wealth which will last for a long time. Those who are rich today have not achieved this in one day he has become rich by saving money by working hard.
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March 12, 2021, 06:06:05 PM
No one can become rich over night. It takes a whole lifetime, a lot of struggle and dedication in life which make a person rich. Once you are rich you deserve to accumulate more wealth. So we should focus on our life on how to become rich by working hard so we could also be classified ourselves in that elite class.
You do can become rich overnight, all you have have to do is pick the right lottery numbers. Sure it is very unlikely but there are chances. Or what about the guys that invested heavily in Gamestop options? They made a huge profit as well. There are some limited chances from time to time to become rich very fast. That is why there is a difference between new money and old money.
Just quick and easy ways to quickly and earn a lot of money do not provide a reliable guarantee for the successful implementation of the goal, because simply speaking, you need to be in the right place at the right time. You can play for decades in the lottery, but never hit the jackpot, or having fast-growing stocks, you may not have time to sell them at the maximum, losing your chances due to the subsequent price correction or even collapse. Therefore, hard and systematic work is guaranteed to lead you to wealth.
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