Topic: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody - page 12. (Read 4444 times)

And look at you, following page 2 of the Democrat playbook..... call them racist if you don't know how to discuss facts.

You've proven you refuse to look at facts, or consider anything other than the lies that are pushed down your throat. JUST CALL THEM RACIST IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO !

Are you saying Obama wasn't black, or wasn't successful ?

Tell me what's more racist:
 1. Reading written words on an Internet forum a discussing the facts behind them.
2. Assuming ones skin color and white supremacy by the words they wrote?

You've never seen me, have no idea what my skin color is, and your racist mind assumes I'm white.

^^^^^^^^^^^
There it is internet, the most racist thing you'll ever see. From the ones who scream racism at everything they don't like.

My black brethren thank you for speaking up for us, apparently we are too stupid to do it ourselves.
There it is internet,

We were assuming his opinions were based on racist, white supremacist ideas but that post is full of evidence that makes it much more than an assumption now.  Be wary of anyone whose posts use individual examples to dispel systemic racism.   Systemic racism never implied that every single black person's success was prevented.  

Take leaded water as one piece of the racist pie.  You can have lead leech into a population's water supply and there is a well known mechanism for how this impairs cognitive development and impulse control and then have a generation of children who grow up with higher rates of criminality.  Thats not saying every single child who drinks the water will become a criminal but its an increased likelihood.  Some individuals are so exceptional that they can overcome and many are unaffected.  

So why don't they just move where the water is clean?

This attitude intentionally ignores the history of segregation in the US.  Most black people have parents or grandparents who were forced to live in certain areas; often the most polluted areas of the city, breathe dirty air, drink dirty water, and go to shitty schools.  You can't just "take responsibility" for something that is enforced throughout society.

Then theres non-violent crimes.  You may say "well then don't commit crimte" but  white kids smoke pot (at a higher rate) or commit petty crimes and its just "mischief" they get off for and go on to lead normal lives.  Poor black kids smoke pot (at a lower rate) and police are sent in to catch them (at a much higher rate) and get them involved in the system.  We have a justice system and prison system that is intentionally retributive and makes very little attempt to rehabilitate.  In fact, blacks consistently get harsher penalties for the same exact crimes.    Our prisons take in people who used drugs, turns them into criminals, then puts them back on the street with even LESS opportunities.  

Also, if you're going to use Obama as an example, you might want to look into his family history and upbringing because theres a certain detail that specifically  allowed his family more opportunity which directly affected him.
Yep.  There it is.  Popojeff is a white supremacist.  He had to preface it with about 3 paragraphs of fluff before backing into it, but it came right out.  Of course, he wrote the post in a way where he can back out of it, because he's a closet white supremacist.  

"Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Says ‘Our Goal Is to Get Trump Out’"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-lives-matter-co-founder-says-our-goal-is-to-get-trump-out_3395820.html

I understand you don't believe systemic racism exists.  I disagree.  But for arguments sake lets say I agree with you and systemic racism is no longer a possible cause.  What are some possible causes?  One logical explanation would be that White people are just better suited in some biological way to lead a successful life and contribute to society.  I honestly can't think of any others.  Can you?

Your use of statistics is incorrect.

Suppose you and I line up with several other people who happen to be black. Of any number of strong statistical factors, making us similar and different, race is a WEAK FACTOR.
I suspect it's a very, very weak factor. Those of us in inter racial marriages and families really laugh at this kind of analysis. But your political environment wants to focus on that as the MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.

Thus I have to agree with others that the premises on which your questions are based are flawed, but that's only due to your work as a Democratic Operative. I understand, you're not in control of what they tell you to parrot, the talking points for this week.

The WHY behind the matter can never be pinned down exactly. We'd love to find the one explanation and blame it on that, but there is no ONE explanation.

We'd love to say 'systemic racism' or 'institutional racism' in the US.... but those are made up theories that are easily disproven when you look outside the US to find very similar racial disparities in other countries and continents.

We'd love to say 'redlining' practices of some cities kept the blacks in poverty areas, but you'll find research that shows there were more white people in those areas.

The so called 'experts' in race shaming whites for the plight of the blacks are actually the biggest racists of them all, including the Democratic Party. Just think how racist it is to think so poorly of black people that you feel the need to speak for their kind and explain why they can't get ahead without your help.


I cant say I have the one answer to your question, and I doubt there is one answer.  There are so many exceptions to the rule, that it's really not a rule anymore.
   There are successful people of EVERY race and gender in every level of the economy and government. We're Sooooooo racist in the US that we had a black President. And we see failures from every race too.

I've seen scientific studies indicating darker pigmented mammals have higher levels of testosterone. Higher levels of testosterone decrease intelligence and increase propensity for violence. I've seen studies of increased breakdown of the family structure being a clue. Absentee fathers. Etc...

There are so any generalizations with shaky evidence, that I doubt most of the theories.

In my opinion, there's no ONE answer, but I put a lot of weight on individual responsibility and the lack of it in the poorer black neighborhoods. When the elitist liberals, entire Democratic Party, and the left-owned media tell you day after day that your life is someone else's fault, the government will pay/feed/save you, you are owed something for doing nothing, and white people hate you......  why the heck should you think any differently and take responsibility for your own life?  

And to keep 'on topic' to avoid biased moderation.... Riots are counterproductive, only reinforcing stereotypes.


But if you think it's all about race, and has nothing to do with one political party manipulating as much as they can to keep themselves in power, you'd be a fool.

A Democratic President's words... not mine.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/15769.Lyndon_B_Johnson

I agree with pretty much everyone who's attacked me that we have to look at the facts.  And I'm not questioning the facts they've presented.

An American Black person is more likely to commit a crime, live in poverty, be less healthy and less educated than an American White person.

The question I'm asking is why?

I've shared my opinion already, but I'm open minded and able to have my mind changed....what do you guys think?

I've already made note of the logical fallacy in Twitch's "question", and he's routinely done this before. That's not in the least a personal attack.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

seems like fine question by twitch.  i dont get all the personal attacks on him hes being reasonable and just sharing his thoughts and asking about yours isnt that why we come to a forum like this?

Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them.

Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative.

I honestly still don't get the point of racism since it seems ridiculous considering there's great people from all races. Where I live and grew up, we're all pretty much something of everything from black to white, latin, asian, etc and there really doesn't feel like many issues here (most people are kind and go out of their way to help you if you need regardless of race). I think more than anything, at least in my eyes is the fact that the cop killed a person. No cop should kill a person when they aren't resisting and aren't in some sort of danger so I really do feel like the cop that killed George had a lot of malice.

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't.

There are many good productive people from BOTH races as there are many highly qualified professionals,academics,and general decent people from BOTH races.Likewise there are many lawless,criminal and degenerate types from BOTH races however poverty,disadvantage or lack of privilege is NEVER an excuse for Violent crime or reason to infringe upon the constitutional rights of others.

Yes the cop who killed Mr Floyd was a perfect example of police brutality but black people and white snowflakes ignoring the fact that white people suffer under this same brutality are diverting the attention away from the whole issue and causing target fixation on only a part of it.This in itself is a disservice to society and also allows the instigators of the collapse of a peaceful legitimate protest get away with what they are doing and some the media are collaborators with their co conspirators who want to make this into a divisive race matter when it should simply be a police brutality matter.In fairness then,Black people ignoring injustices suffered by white people killed unjustly at the hands of the police are being "racist" and "their silence is ALSO violence".


You need to focus your attention on the gangbangers selling drugs murdering other black people while being glorified by celebrity gangster rappers for their "lifestyle choices" and stop blaming society for their bad choices.Many black and white under privileged people work and educate their way out of poverty and the job of government is to provide plenty of opportunity and jobs for people instead of squandering it on foreign wars and other shit that causes mayhem.

Leftist extremists only want a government that steals from the productive and gives to the unproductive which in the end leaves NO incentive for anyone ..to do shit,while they advocate for people incarcerated for drug offenses be released from prison imediately.Drugs are one of the main causes in areas stricken with poverty and he we have our "social justice warriors" wanting the same people who have caused serious issues among the community to be free to carry on their trade.People who sell drugs do so mainly out of greed while people who steal baby food and bread do so mainly out of desperation.They need to sort out their fucking priorities ;-)

Stop making excuses for violent criminal behavior and lawlessness and indirectly through such excuses support this activity.Next you will be making excuses for the gangs roaming all across south Africa targeting and murdering old white people in their homes,crucifying & raping and pillaging their "way out of poverty".

The people legitimately protesting need to stop colluding with these rioters by remaining silent about the mayhem and evict them from their peaceful protest and at the same time sort out their racist attitude towards white people.

Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

Weird, you would think that since young Asians have a higher poverty rate than whites in the US, that they would have a higher rate of criminal activity if your explanation has any basis, but the opposite is true. This is exactly why shithustlers like you avoid statistics at all costs, because you reply completely upon assumptions, emotional appeal, and just flat out being full of shit.

I think the disproportional crime rates, education levels, overall health is all due to the gap in income, especially poverty levels.

8.9% of Whites under 18 live in poverty compared to  28.5% of Blacks.



I think this can be directly attributed to the fact that 156 years ago black people had zero rights and it's only been 56 years since the civil rights act.

Things are definitely better now than they were in 1964 and in 1964 they were definitely better than they were in 1865, but I don't think that kind of systemic racism can just go away over the course of a few generations, and those stats you keep posting are , in my opinion evidence of that.

What is your opinion on why the stats are so different for white and black people?  I'm honestly curious.

The statistics are only part of the problem, yet it is a big part of the problem, and one Postmodernist Marxists such as yourselves avoid at all cost, because it would require not only self examination, but personal responsibility. Everyone knows Marxist victim culture race hustling dies in the light of personal responsibility, and you can't have that now can you?

You people are complaining about some one throwing a firecracker into some ones yard while the supposed victims are carpet bombing themselves. Your focus is irrelevant in the larger context of ACTUAL REALITY, not just the myopic context erasing hyper-focus you depend on to perpetuate your Marxist race hustling.

Marxism has a simple formula. Either find or manufacture victims, teach them that they are justified in victimizing others to create "equality", which then results in even more victims, which can then be utilized in a giant carcinogenic feedback loop of human centipede like fecal consumption of victim-hood. They find actual genuine causes, infiltrate them, then subvert the efforts from their original goals into Marxist goals until the now decaying husk of an organization has its reputation ruined, then they move on to the next.

This is done with organizations focused on minority rights, LGBT rights, poverty issues, education, environmental issues, migrant groups, etc, anything where victims can be found or created. These victims are then used as human shields to perpetuate their political goals, and anyone against their political goals are now automatically racist/sexist/homophobic/deniers/etc. None of you give a good God damn about these people you use as political pawns, you only care that they are a means to your end. If you cared about these people you wouldn't CONSTANTLY struggle to hide the underlying causes and core facts of these issues, preventing them from being effectively addressed. Of course if the real causes are addressed, you don't get to keep your human shields now do you?

Lets look at some facts:

Blacks or African Americans account for 12.6% of the US population.

https://archive.vn/20200213004951/https://factfinder.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/ACS/15_5YR/DP05/0100000US


"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



93% of African American murder victims are killed by other African Americans.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


"While young black males have accounted for about 1% of the population from 1980 to 2008, they have made up an increasing proportion of homicide victims, going from 9% of all homicide victims in 1980 to 18% in 1994...
By 2008, young black males made up about a quarter of all homicide offenders (27%)"

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



"...errors in police deadly force decision making (cases in which police shoot unarmed, non-attacking citizens) occur at a rate of about one in a million."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"...between 90 and 95 percent of civilians shot were attacking police or others. "

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"Researchers also found that 90 percent of civilians shot by the police in 2015 were “armed.”  Notably, the definition of “armed” did not include civilians attempting to take an officer’s gun."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"The factor that correlated most strongly to the race of the person fatally shot was the violent crime rate of their racial group."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/




I look forward to the incessant screeching of "REEEEEEEEEEEEEECISM!" in response to these facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States


Is racism the explanation for a black person killing another black person? Did white people make a black person kill another black person?
Is racism the explanation for 'thug life' and the perpetuation of criminal activity?
Is racism the explanation for Chicago's unreal homicide rate?
"Street Cred" ?

What is the truth then?  How do you explain those statistics?

I'm not questioning the numbers here, I'm curious why you think they are what they are.

Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it.  You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph.  The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism...
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Can you explain something to me?

How do the new orders for each day's new talking points get delivered to you?

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

The supply of real racism has dwindled so badly in the recent years, yet the liberals have such a high demand for racism....this is what you get.

Interesting how you never heard of Systemic or Institutional racism a dozen years ago. Apparently we needed to come up with a new theory, which in itself, I believe is racist.
  For the liberals to see racism in everything, they are implying that they believe the black race is not able succeed on their own, so they need little white liberals help.

The system here in the US is SOOOOOO racist, that it prevented a black man from being President of the US over a decade ago..... oh wait.


You say .... BS PopoJeff, you're full of it.  Ok then, why do these issues only show up at election time?
Nothing more than liberal propaganda. And you youngsters are drinking the koolaid.

Growing up in the '70s and '80s, we didnt have this BS. We could actually find humor in the old racist ways. We got along without just assuming someone was racist based on their skin color. Watch Blazing Saddles, or the 1975 SNL interview skit with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor.

I see you are back to using your favorite logical fallacy, the style of "Are you still beating your wife?"