Rise of Streamers in Online Gambling - page 10.

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Quote from: Jating on July 28, 2022, 09:16:20 AM

I will agree though, specially those streamers that shows very huge win, in the millions of dollars that maybe some will go and try it for themselves and see how their luck will be.

On the other hand this streamers though could be paid so obviously, the results might be rigged so that those watching are going to be attracted. So it's a win-win for this streamers and the casinos or games that they are promoting.

I guess that’s how streamers are made on purpose, so they can always attract new players and the house will always take advantage on their money. Although there are streamers that are simply made for awareness, but mostly in streamers where they advertise huge wins, it’s either those winners are greatly paid or in some cases, those winners volunteer on their own.

Streamers can also use their capability in order for them to have a referral bonus, I have seen so many streamers now that is getting paid and get commission for advertising some gambling site. Streamers should also fact check the site as well before advertising it in order for them and for the people to have a safe deposit and safe credentials in case that the website has KYC. Some website needed to be legal as well before entering digital casino, it is more hot in the eyes of the government if a streamers promoted it.

Streamers mostly does it with the trusted platforms. As mentioned these streamers will be making a good sum of money through referrals. When a streamer makes in millions often it creates a question, how he's able to make it. Some could've succeeded following it, with big bag of money. This isn't possible for everyone and the same is also a reason for small gamblers losing big expecting big out of small amount of money.

On the contrary, I'm just thinking about this scenario: do trusted platform and I'm assuming they have the reputation and that they are already big, still need promotion from some streamers? Or newly created one, who are just starting this business and wanted to gain that trust from the gambling community will used this streamers to promote their casinos? So it seems that the later will have more benefits if they take advantage of this kind of promotions instead of the already established one, in my opinion.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on July 31, 2022, 05:12:13 PM

It does hurt somehow since they are spending money for their content.

I don't understand the hurt part. Streamers know that they need to spend money in order to attract more viewers.

Prior to doing streams, it makes sense to spend money and they understand the risks. Even if they lose money on that gambling site while doing the content, the lost money is part of the budget so nothing really different as that is really intended to be spent. Meaning, that they don't bother with the results.

Otherwise, they should not stream a gambling site if they are being hurt by their losses while making their gambling content.

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Quote from: molsewid on July 31, 2022, 05:11:23 PM

Quote from: Viscore on July 31, 2022, 04:55:04 PM

Quote from: Jating on July 28, 2022, 09:16:20 AM

I will agree though, specially those streamers that shows very huge win, in the millions of dollars that maybe some will go and try it for themselves and see how their luck will be.

On the other hand this streamers though could be paid so obviously, the results might be rigged so that those watching are going to be attracted. So it's a win-win for this streamers and the casinos or games that they are promoting.

I guess that’s how streamers are made on purpose, so they can always attract new players and the house will always take advantage on their money. Although there are streamers that are simply made for awareness, but mostly in streamers where they advertise huge wins, it’s either those winners are greatly paid or in some cases, those winners volunteer on their own.

Streamers can also use their capability in order for them to have a referral bonus, I have seen so many streamers now that is getting paid and get commission for advertising some gambling site. Streamers should also fact check the site as well before advertising it in order for them and for the people to have a safe deposit and safe credentials in case that the website has KYC. Some website needed to be legal as well before entering digital casino, it is more hot in the eyes of the government if a streamers promoted it.

Streamers mostly does it with the trusted platforms. As mentioned these streamers will be making a good sum of money through referrals. When a streamer makes in millions often it creates a question, how he's able to make it. Some could've succeeded following it, with big bag of money. This isn't possible for everyone and the same is also a reason for small gamblers losing big expecting big out of small amount of money.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 31, 2022, 04:40:45 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on July 31, 2022, 04:27:50 PM

This is true, there are independent streamers that are taking advantage of the gambling popularity in order to have content. Most of them aren't sponsored so when they lose, it really hurt them that much. I think they are hoping to gather enough audiences and then apply for sponsorship of casinos when they think they had enough subscribers or followers.

Actually, not that they will hurt much if they lose. It is part of the investment they take so they need to spend money to build up their respective channels for the purpose of getting enough subscribers and to be eligible to get noticed by the gambling sites.

Besides, streaming is free and the only effort these streamers will do is to spend money on their content.

It does hurt somehow since they are spending money for their content. Streaming is free, yes but the money isn't. As far as we know, unless the streamer is lucky enough to easily get attention and subscriber, it will take time to build up followers and subscribers to the channel. Among the many, only a few are able to meet their target audience in a span of six months or a year.

Quote from: chaser15 on July 31, 2022, 04:40:45 PM

But honestly, in most cases, these streamers don't really focus on becoming sponsored streamers on the gambling site. It's just that since online gambling is hype, they are taking the advantage of riding the trend and making it their content. If they will be noticed by the gambling site they are using on the content, that is just a bonus.

True, and besides in order to minimize their money losses, they can use their casino referrals in order to get some money from the Casino referral commission. Aside from the payment (if their channel is already monetized) from the views their content gathered.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 31, 2022, 04:55:04 PM

Quote from: Jating on July 28, 2022, 09:16:20 AM

I will agree though, specially those streamers that shows very huge win, in the millions of dollars that maybe some will go and try it for themselves and see how their luck will be.

On the other hand this streamers though could be paid so obviously, the results might be rigged so that those watching are going to be attracted. So it's a win-win for this streamers and the casinos or games that they are promoting.

I guess that’s how streamers are made on purpose, so they can always attract new players and the house will always take advantage on their money. Although there are streamers that are simply made for awareness, but mostly in streamers where they advertise huge wins, it’s either those winners are greatly paid or in some cases, those winners volunteer on their own.

Streamers can also use their capability in order for them to have a referral bonus, I have seen so many streamers now that is getting paid and get commission for advertising some gambling site. Streamers should also fact check the site as well before advertising it in order for them and for the people to have a safe deposit and safe credentials in case that the website has KYC. Some website needed to be legal as well before entering digital casino, it is more hot in the eyes of the government if a streamers promoted it.

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Quote from: Jating on July 28, 2022, 09:16:20 AM

I will agree though, specially those streamers that shows very huge win, in the millions of dollars that maybe some will go and try it for themselves and see how their luck will be.

On the other hand this streamers though could be paid so obviously, the results might be rigged so that those watching are going to be attracted. So it's a win-win for this streamers and the casinos or games that they are promoting.

I guess that’s how streamers are made on purpose, so they can always attract new players and the house will always take advantage on their money. Although there are streamers that are simply made for awareness, but mostly in streamers where they advertise huge wins, it’s either those winners are greatly paid or in some cases, those winners volunteer on their own.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 31, 2022, 09:06:13 AM

Most of the streamers on twitch is not sponsored that's why most of them is getting bust and expressing depressed emotion when losing there money. I think only big time streamers are using sponsored money for there stream and they are using the actual game like Drake did. He have huge money to just to bust it up on a 3rd party live games. So I think they are using the actual game while streaming.

This is true, there are independent streamers that are taking advantage of the gambling popularity in order to have content. Most of them aren't sponsored so when they lose, it really hurt them that much. I think they are hoping to gather enough audiences and then apply for sponsorship of casinos when they think they had enough subscribers or followers.

I agree they are waiting for an opportunity like this to earn at the casino's side as promoters. But while it doesn't happen, they can still profit from comissions earned through referrals they bring to gambling platforms, since they have a large and active audience on their channels.

There is a channel I follow on youtube where the gambler executes bankroll management in a daily basis, while also sharing his referral comissions which he counts as profit, what means in some days instead of playing he just skips it, because the 5% daily income was already made through comissions.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on July 31, 2022, 04:27:50 PM

This is true, there are independent streamers that are taking advantage of the gambling popularity in order to have content. Most of them aren't sponsored so when they lose, it really hurt them that much. I think they are hoping to gather enough audiences and then apply for sponsorship of casinos when they think they had enough subscribers or followers.

Actually, not that they will hurt much if they lose. It is part of the investment they take so they need to spend money to build up their respective channels for the purpose of getting enough subscribers and to be eligible to get noticed by the gambling sites.

Besides, streaming is free and the only effort these streamers will do is to spend money on their content.

But honestly, in most cases, these streamers don't really focus on becoming sponsored streamers on the gambling site. It's just that since online gambling is hype, they are taking the advantage of riding the trend and making it their content. If they will be noticed by the gambling site they are using on the content, that is just a bonus.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 31, 2022, 09:06:13 AM

Most of the streamers on twitch is not sponsored that's why most of them is getting bust and expressing depressed emotion when losing there money. I think only big time streamers are using sponsored money for there stream and they are using the actual game like Drake did. He have huge money to just to bust it up on a 3rd party live games. So I think they are using the actual game while streaming.

This is true, there are independent streamers that are taking advantage of the gambling popularity in order to have content. Most of them aren't sponsored so when they lose, it really hurt them that much. I think they are hoping to gather enough audiences and then apply for sponsorship of casinos when they think they had enough subscribers or followers.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 31, 2022, 09:06:13 AM

Most of the streamers on twitch is not sponsored that's why most of them is getting bust and expressing depressed emotion when losing there money. I think only big time streamers are using sponsored money for there stream and they are using the actual game like Drake did. He have huge money to just to bust it up on a 3rd party live games. So I think they are using the actual game while streaming.

There are conditions being set by the casino for these streamers. It may not look like that some of them aren't sponsored because there's no banner that pops on their monitor.

But the one thing that you can think of is that they're exactly showing the website itself where they are playing. That's like the actual condition that they have to play on that casino and they'll get paid.

It depends on the contract like "play this $1000 on our casino and that's it!".

They have those type of conditions and could be paid per video they make and then tomorrow it's no longer valid as the contract expires and only valid for one video as per contract.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 31, 2022, 08:51:23 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on July 30, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Honestly, is that even matter if the streamer is using their own money or not on their streaming videos about gambling?

What if they are using their own money?
What if they are not using their own money?
What would be the feedback?

What I'm saying is, regardless if the stream was sponsored or not, the main purpose is creating content which is the main purpose of any streamer as they are trying to gather more views for their videos. More views = more profit = more revenue.

The only thing that worries me, for example, is that the game itself is fair - no matter whose money it is played with. I'm not a fan of such streams, but from what I've seen, streamers basically lose the entire deposit as a result. I'm wondering if this is anti-advertising for gambling? Grin

How stupid do you have to be to see someone lose money and go and lose it too?

Most of the streamers on twitch is not sponsored that's why most of them is getting bust and expressing depressed emotion when losing there money. I think only big time streamers are using sponsored money for there stream and they are using the actual game like Drake did. He have huge money to just to bust it up on a 3rd party live games. So I think they are using the actual game while streaming.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 31, 2022, 08:51:23 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on July 30, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Honestly, is that even matter if the streamer is using their own money or not on their streaming videos about gambling?

What if they are using their own money?
What if they are not using their own money?
What would be the feedback?

What I'm saying is, regardless if the stream was sponsored or not, the main purpose is creating content which is the main purpose of any streamer as they are trying to gather more views for their videos. More views = more profit = more revenue.

The only thing that worries me, for example, is that the game itself is fair - no matter whose money it is played with. I'm not a fan of such streams, but from what I've seen, streamers basically lose the entire deposit as a result. I'm wondering if this is anti-advertising for gambling? Grin

How stupid do you have to be to see someone lose money and go and lose it too?

Yes, the stream will only deceive viewers if they're not using their own money and are just being paid for sponsorship where they don't show fair play. They make it more attractive for viewers for their own benefit. I think that's not fair for those who are looking for legit and trusted sites. That's the reason why it's hard to rely on streamers nowadays.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 30, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Honestly, is that even matter if the streamer is using their own money or not on their streaming videos about gambling?

What if they are using their own money?
What if they are not using their own money?
What would be the feedback?

What I'm saying is, regardless if the stream was sponsored or not, the main purpose is creating content which is the main purpose of any streamer as they are trying to gather more views for their videos. More views = more profit = more revenue.

The only thing that worries me, for example, is that the game itself is fair - no matter whose money it is played with. I'm not a fan of such streams, but from what I've seen, streamers basically lose the entire deposit as a result. I'm wondering if this is anti-advertising for gambling? Grin

How stupid do you have to be to see someone lose money and go and lose it too?

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 31, 2022, 06:52:04 AM

Quote from: GigaBit on July 30, 2022, 11:13:25 PM

Yes, it is very natural. Streamers will always want to increase views on their channel as well as an attempt to bring more subscribers. The purpose of this is how they can quickly increase their income. They are always ready to provide new updates. Whenever a game is released they deserve it and try to find out the advantages or disadvantages with the game and then wants to live streaming his viewers.

That's why those streamers will always try to provide their best videos, which will help them earn more revenue. They will assess the latest game that will be released and inform their subscribers about what's in the latest game release. Maybe they will also play a live review of the latest game by inviting their subscribers to try it so they can experience it too. But although they do that, we as their audience, need to be careful not to use too much money to play the game.

The videos used by streamers as a content will always come from their live streaming. I don't know why but once they were doing live streaming and they were getting very very big win. They were using their video to attract people to join through their refferal. The rate from their video was so smalll compared with what they have gotten from people joined through their refferal.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 31, 2022, 06:52:04 AM

Quote from: GigaBit on July 30, 2022, 11:13:25 PM

Yes, it is very natural. Streamers will always want to increase views on their channel as well as an attempt to bring more subscribers. The purpose of this is how they can quickly increase their income. They are always ready to provide new updates. Whenever a game is released they deserve it and try to find out the advantages or disadvantages with the game and then wants to live streaming his viewers.

That's why those streamers will always try to provide their best videos, which will help them earn more revenue. They will assess the latest game that will be released and inform their subscribers about what's in the latest game release. Maybe they will also play a live review of the latest game by inviting their subscribers to try it so they can experience it too. But although they do that, we as their audience, need to be careful not to use too much money to play the game.

These streamers are actually streaming newest game as soon as they especially those that are hype so they can attract as much viewers as possible. Theses kinds of stream are kinda an in-depth review so we the viewers will know if we will want or be attracted to that game.

Anyways, Upon checking "Slot Category" on stream, my first thought is that gambling activities on Twitch are not allowed but to my surprise, various gambling games are actually being played and stream there. Also, I was able to find Stake being streamed on the top of Slot category and it has a lot viewers compared to other gambling games.

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Quote from: GigaBit on July 30, 2022, 11:13:25 PM

Yes, it is very natural. Streamers will always want to increase views on their channel as well as an attempt to bring more subscribers. The purpose of this is how they can quickly increase their income. They are always ready to provide new updates. Whenever a game is released they deserve it and try to find out the advantages or disadvantages with the game and then wants to live streaming his viewers.

That's why those streamers will always try to provide their best videos, which will help them earn more revenue. They will assess the latest game that will be released and inform their subscribers about what's in the latest game release. Maybe they will also play a live review of the latest game by inviting their subscribers to try it so they can experience it too. But although they do that, we as their audience, need to be careful not to use too much money to play the game.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 30, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Quote from: decodx on July 30, 2022, 06:57:58 AM

This problem has existed for as long as casino streaming itself and I think there's no sure way of determining whether a streamer is gambling with real money unless you have full insight into his finances. If you see the money that a streamer is spending in a short period of time, it's very clear that he's not gambling for real money all the time.

Honestly, is that even matter if the streamer is using their own money or not on their streaming videos about gambling?

What if they are using their own money?
What if they are not using their own money?
What would be the feedback?

What I'm saying is, regardless if the stream was sponsored or not, the main purpose is creating content which is the main purpose of any streamer as they are trying to gather more views for their videos. More views = more profit = more revenue.

Yes, it is very natural. Streamers will always want to increase views on their channel as well as an attempt to bring more subscribers. The purpose of this is how they can quickly increase their income. They are always ready to provide new updates. Whenever a game is released they deserve it and try to find out the advantages or disadvantages with the game and then wants to live streaming his viewers.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on July 30, 2022, 09:21:35 AM

I think the reason why online casinos are making such move is that because online gambling became the new normal mode of playing gambling instead of going to a physical casino.

And not just that, it seems there are lots of people now that always hooked up on any livestream regardless of the content, be it online games, cooking, travel, gambling and random stuffs. Because of the growing number of users who are now being hyped by watching random content at famous streaming sites like Youtube and Twitch, it now make sense and necessary to put the marketing on it.

However, for streamers, it's not that easy to make partnership or being noticed by the gambling sites they want to promote. The streamer's page should be, obviously, famous, popular, consistent at doing regular streams and more importantly, knows how gambling works on that site and familiar with the interface as they will show to their viewers how to navigate on the site as well.

Without those factors, these streamers really need to stream that specific gambling site first without expecting in return and spend their own money to get the attention of the site they are promoting. That will take a long progress.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 28, 2022, 09:15:53 AM

^ So as they say, they were employed and they are playing the casino's money.
Their job seem easy to do though. And thats waht I'm more interested to do, become a streamer myself and get paid hired by a casino than trying out what they advertise.

Slot is easy to play and addicting, thats why its among the top. Grand thef I can understand since its fun, teens like it.

The thing is, you can't just approach a platform, state that you want to stream their games for money, and get the deal immediately. Casinos only deal with established names in the streaming gig with a lot of followers already, and even if the streamer that they got is a basic guy on gambling with lots of followers, they'd probably still get that guy for doing the job for them. It's an endeavor that I also like to enter, though I've already accepted the fact that Ill never be able to do what others does since I don't have even a decent follower base to start my streaming journey for casinos Cheesy

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Quote from: Mauser on July 30, 2022, 09:15:57 AM

I am very sceptical when it comes to streamers from the gambling section. There are at any time quite a lot of people on twitch streaming and it seems they are much luckier than I am. I don't mind them winning large amounts, but somehow I always question myself if this is real. In the past I followed a few of the big poker streamers playing tournaments and noticed that there performance is not exceptional good. Sure they had some good days making decent money, there were also terrible days. In the end it seemed that a lot of the money they make comes twitch rather than gambling. It was more about their personality and engaging with the chat and viewers than about making money. That's why when I see large winnings from a streamer I worry about them having a promotion deal with the casino that gives them free money to gamble more reckless.

That question will never be gone if we keep on seeing them on a huge winning streak and spree. It's part of the business that they're promoting and not just about the results that they're showing.

It's like that where they are gambling, everyone, every viewer that they've got are also going to win big such as them. That's the mindset that they're trying to build.

So, if you think that you're not that gullible, it's always okay to question that on your mind and do some research for yourself if you want to.

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