Rise of Streamers in Online Gambling - page 13.

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Quote from: Jating on July 28, 2022, 09:16:20 AM

On the other hand this streamers though could be paid so obviously, the results might be rigged so that those watching are going to be attracted. So it's a win-win for this streamers and the casinos or games that they are promoting.

I'd like to believe that there are many fake streamers trying to manipulate the results, they are being paid by casinos to make it look like its easy to win in the casino they advertise, they are not spending their own money, why would they if they want the casino to look good they will strike a deal on the casino that they are going to promote.
That is casino streaming is a very popular advertising preferred by casinos because the audiences see the streamer's winnings and they are enticed to play in the casino, hoping to get the same results.

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Quote from: Jating on July 28, 2022, 09:16:20 AM

On the other hand this streamers though could be paid so obviously, the results might be rigged so that those watching are going to be attracted. So it's a win-win for this streamers and the casinos or games that they are promoting.

These streamers serve as Brand Ambassadors or Slot Ambassadors, some of them are paid to stream so that viewers are interested in the games being played. I've watched some streaming videos with big wins, then I think every time I watch streaming videos. why every time they stream they always get a big win, the question keeps popping up in my mind, because luck isn't always on the same person's side, so I tried to play slots on the same site, but the results were very disappointing.
Manipulation can be done on the slot that is being played, because the system can be set at any time by the owner of the slot.

Although I don't have enough knowledge about slot technicalities but slot games is under3rd party provider which means casino has no control on the result except if they request for a special slot software that is rigged but most of the streamers that usually hit jackpot are burning huge amount of money to bet multiple times just to hit the jackpot. They have huge bankroll to bet many times compared to normal players that has limited bankroll.

Not all streamers is sponsored because many of them are just streaming for views or referral commission earnings from there viewers. Only big time streamers is sponsored while the rest is just getting profit on streaming alone.

But it's hard to differentiate who's who, who is playing real or fake money.

You just have to think about it, someone is playing with max bet of $100.00 living in the basement of his parents house. So if you do the numbers, $50k maybe in a week or two? $100k in a month? How can this live streamers can play with that huge money and all they streaming is the amount they won?

And then majority of them are playing in a second or even mid tier casino, yeah this is probably a setup but for now no one is going to admit it. Of course, it's really up to us to judge them.

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Well, I agree with you, maybe I am here who rarely watch streams on Twitch network especially for slot gambling, but I often see many streamers on other channel networks.
there are many irregularities after I observed carefully, most of them are just doing promotions, I'm not saying that the streamers as a whole are endorsements of fiat based online casinos, maybe there are some streamers who use their personal money for fun and broadcast it on the network.

I assume it's not much different than streamers who do it on other channels for example YT, I suspect as you said most of what they play is not real money.

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Quote from: boltz on July 29, 2022, 04:15:47 AM

There is already a big storm on Reddit and some official discord of those big streamers. They said clearly that they don't want to promote this stuff but they are being paid to well to not accept the deal. Per example , TrainwrecksTV is making a ton of money everyday he streams slots on Twitch and the sames goes for XQC when he streams but they became addicts without even notice this and they lost a lot of money from their own pocket as well. At this point I suppose none of them really wants to stop streaming or playing slots and also Twich policy cannot do anything against this. I mean ...they have hot tubs and all that but Twitch was designed by gamers for gamers.

I remember here in the gambling section there was a topic about whether casino advertising should be considered fraudulent, since streamers often play not for real money, but for advertising/fake ones. That is, if we see how a streamer plays with a $5,000 deposit and loses it (or wins something), it doesn’t really mean anything, since the casino just gives them this money for advertising streams. Therefore, it is naive to claim that some streamer became addicted or lost money from his own pocket - we have no evidence to be sure that this actually happened.

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Quote from: Eternad on July 29, 2022, 04:31:06 AM

I watch the story of XQC he lost everything that he earned on gambling and decided to take a break and promise to not do gambling again but here he are again streaming and gambling as if nothing happened to them. This gambling promotion by streamer is a double edge sword for them because they will become addicted eventually if they are continuously playing slots on there streams as part of there daily life.

That's the problem I think all gamblers will face if they can't take a break from gambling.
Losing everything they gain from gambling is something they will gain if they cannot realize the dangers of gambling.
The promotion of gambling by this streamer is very helpful for casinos who want to grow their business and for those who watch and end up playing gambling, they must be careful and don't get carried away with gambling.
The streamers do their job to help promote but viewers must take responsibility for themselves if they decide to try gambling.

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Quote from: hahay on July 29, 2022, 04:25:21 AM

But if the streamer is also playing with the same system then it won't be a problem, but if the streamer is playing with a different system that has been designed to win then it will be dangerous. I realize that slot games are improving and many ordinary people keep failing, but they keep trying because they are influenced by video streamers who continue to win big numbers. Actually it wouldn't be a problem if they weren't distinguished, but if there was cheating in them then they were very dangerous to use.

Streamer is playing same system most of the time but maybe some of them play on modified games. I watch many popular streamers live stream before including Drake, I don’t see any shady results on there bets besides there emotion when losing huge money. Most of the streamers with huge bankroll only win huge amount because they are betting huge amount too and not all the time they are winning during there streams unlike what other picture out that they are always winning jackpot prize. You check there stream channel to verify on often they win huge amount compared to what they are losing on all of there gambling session.

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Quote from: boltz on July 29, 2022, 04:15:47 AM

There is already a big storm on Reddit and some official discord of those big streamers. They said clearly that they don't want to promote this stuff but they are being paid to well to not accept the deal. Per example , TrainwrecksTV is making a ton of money everyday he streams slots on Twitch and the sames goes for XQC when he streams but they became addicts without even notice this and they lost a lot of money from their own pocket as well. At this point I suppose none of them really wants to stop streaming or playing slots and also Twich policy cannot do anything against this. I mean ...they have hot tubs and all that but Twitch was designed by gamers for gamers.

I watch the story of XQC he lost everything that he earned on gambling and decided to take a break and promise to not do gambling again but here he are again streaming and gambling as if nothing happened to them. This gambling promotion by streamer is a double edge sword for them because they will become addicted eventually if they are continuously playing slots on there streams as part of there daily life.

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But if the streamer is also playing with the same system then it won't be a problem, but if the streamer is playing with a different system that has been designed to win then it will be dangerous. I realize that slot games are improving and many ordinary people keep failing, but they keep trying because they are influenced by video streamers who continue to win big numbers. Actually it wouldn't be a problem if they weren't distinguished, but if there was cheating in them then they were very dangerous to use.

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There is already a big storm on Reddit and some official discord of those big streamers. They said clearly that they don't want to promote this stuff but they are being paid to well to not accept the deal. Per example , TrainwrecksTV is making a ton of money everyday he streams slots on Twitch and the sames goes for XQC when he streams but they became addicts without even notice this and they lost a lot of money from their own pocket as well. At this point I suppose none of them really wants to stop streaming or playing slots and also Twich policy cannot do anything against this. I mean ...they have hot tubs and all that but Twitch was designed by gamers for gamers.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 29, 2022, 04:05:04 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 28, 2022, 11:05:45 PM

I think the rise of streamers is happening everywhere. Not only in online gambling. I would not be surprised if we soon see streamers react to gore videos or some other taboo stuff. The entertainment culture of the internet is shifting towards watching more, not doing more. So we now watch people who do something. Its very strange and a bit saddening if you think about it.

Honestly I do watch a good streamer every now and then so I have no say in any of the matter but online gambling streamers might be a funny idea. Especially their reactions during winning or losing might make good view content alone.

Well, there were a lot of reaction videos on YouTube and honestly they're something that doesn't make any sense to me lol, because they're not actually doing something besides watching a specific videos and make opinions on what they have just seen. Streamers switching to reaction videos than actual playing online games or gambling is the worse thing that will happen to their streaming career.

I myself also watch entertaining online game streamers, but not much with gambling as some of these streamers were being paid to entice people to gamble as if it is easy to win bigger stakes.

Yeah, so this youtubers have been venturing out as well in the last 2-3 years, going to Twitch and making more money that monetizing in Youtube hehehe.

Seen some as well, but something tells me that this are obviously paid ads as what the majority says. So they will have to act "naturally", but gamblers are too smart to fall for that kind of trick. We see genuine reaction of people winning in a traditional based casino, but this streamers? hmm, different reactions.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 29, 2022, 03:26:37 AM

One of the marketing strategies today of the gambling casino is having a partnership with the streamers which is to have a lot of followers, by that they are giving those streamers a voucher to make a deposit to their platform and play in the public streams, afaik the one of the known social media platform Facebook preventing have this instead the gambling casino just only have the promoting of vids and not like the actual playing of it instead just promoting with the use of banners and logo. Still i guess the streamers are the one responsible with their promoting if there's some issue happen with the funds of their followers.

Of course streamers are responsible for advertised gambling sites or bookmaker's offices. But the fact is that in the case of fraud of the advertised company to bring streamers to responsibility is very difficult, so few of them are really responsible for their activities. If you notice there are a lot of fraudulent projects and ponzi schemes advertised on the Internet, bloggers and streamers are happy to promote them.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 29, 2022, 03:26:37 AM

One of the marketing strategies today of the gambling casino is having a partnership with the streamers which is to have a lot of followers, by that they are giving those streamers a voucher to make a deposit to their platform and play in the public streams, afaik the one of the known social media platform Facebook preventing have this instead the gambling casino just only have the promoting of vids and not like the actual playing of it instead just promoting with the use of banners and logo. Still i guess the streamers are the one responsible with their promoting if there's some issue happen with the funds of their followers.

I believe you are pertaining on facebook and they are really sucks for too much censorship. Gambling is part of the entertainment industry before they were established. Twitch and Youtube are the main platforms which this gambling streaming popular. I think this online gambling craze will gonna last longer because the number of streamers and interested viewers for this genre is incrasing overtime.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 28, 2022, 11:05:45 PM

I think the rise of streamers is happening everywhere. Not only in online gambling. I would not be surprised if we soon see streamers react to gore videos or some other taboo stuff. The entertainment culture of the internet is shifting towards watching more, not doing more. So we now watch people who do something. Its very strange and a bit saddening if you think about it.

Honestly I do watch a good streamer every now and then so I have no say in any of the matter but online gambling streamers might be a funny idea. Especially their reactions during winning or losing might make good view content alone.

Well, there were a lot of reaction videos on YouTube and honestly they're something that doesn't make any sense to me lol, because they're not actually doing something besides watching a specific videos and make opinions on what they have just seen. Streamers switching to reaction videos than actual playing online games or gambling is the worse thing that will happen to their streaming career.

I myself also watch entertaining online game streamers, but not much with gambling as some of these streamers were being paid to entice people to gamble as if it is easy to win bigger stakes.

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One of the marketing strategies today of the gambling casino is having a partnership with the streamers which is to have a lot of followers, by that they are giving those streamers a voucher to make a deposit to their platform and play in the public streams, afaik the one of the known social media platform Facebook preventing have this instead the gambling casino just only have the promoting of vids and not like the actual playing of it instead just promoting with the use of banners and logo. Still i guess the streamers are the one responsible with their promoting if there's some issue happen with the funds of their followers.

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I love watching those streamers with unique expressions about their wins. I don't know the name of that one guy that literally rolled on the floor after hitting a great match at slots. Then, there's one chubby guy too whose face was filled with emotion after also hitting a big win.
In terms of contributions to the gambling industry, yes I think they are very helpful and I am glad they are putting efforts at recording themselves during playtime.
I have the equipment but I don't have the courage to put my face online and live stream it.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on July 28, 2022, 10:00:11 PM

There are actually quite a few streamers playing for their own money, but as my marketing experience. And I can also tell you that some streamers will have sponsors from online casino websites to invite them to play and make videos with free credits, and indirectly advertise it to attract subscribers and I am also happy to see it and indeed it will make people want to do it.

Definitely no beginner streamer that will not play from his own money, that is normal because the streamer do not have viewers or enough viewers yet, but once the streamer have enough viewers which should be their first goal, they start making money from views, but their second goal will be about them working for gambling companies, to help the gambling sites to promote their services and offers and site generally, the gambler sites also will give them free bets/offers to gamble with while some streamers will even be paid.

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As of lately, the demand for online gambling is increasing rapidly. Basically entertainment and the relationship with money is adding a new dimension to the gamblers interest. Streamers are playing a unique role behind this. As soon as a new game release contemporary time the streamers are trying to present to the players and give their solutions to all the issues in live so that a player can understand easily. Now a days some streamers are being a important part of any casino or gambling company, in some causes a owner take them as partners according to their importance.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 28, 2022, 11:05:45 PM

I think the rise of streamers is happening everywhere. Not only in online gambling.

In this case, bookmakers and casinos have adapted to our times. Everything evolves and so does advertising. With the number of followers that some streamers have, this advertising is much more effective than traditional advertising, so they should get a good return on your investment by paying these streamers.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 28, 2022, 09:15:53 AM

^ So as they say, they were employed and they are playing the casino's money.
Their job seem easy to do though. And thats waht I'm more interested to do, become a streamer myself and get paid hired by a casino than trying out what they advertise.

yeah, seems easy to do but it is actually not. don't get me wrong, I don't glorify streamers but if you want to actually be hired by casinos to stream while playing on their gambling site with their money you'd need to build enough audience and keep that audience watching your streams, which is not easy to do.

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It's basically a type of advertisement for the casinos.

Streamers are not getting into every single category of life, and they're creating content for whoever pays for them

Casinos are happy to pay a content creator to showcase their casinos, because it makes it easier for other people to gamble there once they've seen how it works.

YouTube, twitch, and others, are basically the new advertising platform. People watch videos there for free, so they are advertised many products, including casinos

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