Topic: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ - page 4. (Read 2183 times)

Well we have heard both stories from the casino and the player. I think it dosent matter much how much he won,you can bet and win on other casinos aswell. As far as i seen the rules were different but still want to hear a little more from rollbit on this matter. I think they should change their policy for the future and not allow multi accounts so that situations like this dont happen again.

There's always 2 sides to every story and then there's the truth. without knowing exactly how much money they "lost" we can't really know anything. The OP hasn't explained how much money he popped them for either. Maybe he should do that. obviously he must know.

As always LoyceV asks the questions that need to be answered.

I would love to see a reply to all of them by the accused party.

Good job Loyce, very well thought post!

If that's the case, why didn't you update the Terms that state alt-accounts are allowed? That would have prevented a "he said she said" situation.

If that's the case, you should leave negative feedback, and create a Flag to seek community support.

I've seen it, but still it doesn't feel right to limit some players because they won. That basically means the casino's system is flawed, but since they still make a profit from other users, they don't want to take it down.
Many cases can also mean the casinos make many victims, instead of many people trying to "abuse" the casino.

Well by your own admission, you created multiple accounts.

if there wasn't anything special about their lines then why not post up at other sportsbooks to get more action? 

you ever read their reviews? https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

some of them dont look so good do they?

i would think there are better places to bet on sports.




I mean you have to be careful about where you bet your money at. Just because they have a built in advantage doesn't mean they like it when someone is making money off them. Especially if they are shady. A solid sportsbook might limit you or even boot you but they'll never steal your money.

My suspicions were also that OP had done this before, but since you are now active in this thread, that needs to be proven somehow. So how can you prove that OP is a regular abuser of your site?

I have been saying that the whole time, but it would be better for the future if you explained what you consider to be nefarious purposes. I personally think that trying to circumvent betting restrictions is an example of such an action, the OP obviously doesn't. And what caused those other accounts to be banned? Was it betting above set betting limits or some other actions?

What you said can be understood in different ways. You are recouping your total losses suffered because of all the Rollbit abusers or you are only recouping losses from this particular player and his multiple accounts. While one thing is OK, the other surely isn't. But like I said previously, what's your proof the player has done these abusive things in the past already?

It has nothing to do with "wanting" to play at the book so badly.

Their odds are pretty standard, they have a decent provider. Nothing crazy tho and certainly no off line or w/e. I can post example of bets i played if that helps anything.

If you are a punter who bets higher amounts and your bets are kinda decent, you will get limited quite often and fast. Some books even limit your account because you deposit a bigger amount.

So i appreciated the fact that i could get bets placed there without too much trouble. I was actually a fan of their casino before, they have a decent rewards system etc. Its not like i discovered rollbit only because of the sportsbook in the first place.



I dont really understand what you are trying to say here.
Yea, casinos/sportbooks exist because they have an advantage. That dosnt mean that they are allowed to literally scam me & i should be ok with that lol.

So you don't have to answer but I'm curious as to why you wanted to play at this sportsbook so bad. Sounds like maybe you was trying to hit some off lines and lay them off somewhere else...but i could be wrong, haven't taken a look at what they have to offer.

Oh and if you really got scammed, I hate it for you but they don't exist to make you money.

I get that. And i do know, that there are probably more people out there that will tell some bullshit than actually being not guilty.

Please also consider tho, how often casinos/sportsbooks do shady shit. You are kinda acting like they are always the victim and innocent.

And you must also admit, that you are not giving any chance here to proof different. You are constantly just coming forward and implying that im trying to play dumb or whatever. And i do think, that therefor you are actually doing damage. Because its nothing productive, you are not asking me to show proofs or anything, just saying that im probably guilty.

As i said, im very willing to lay things open, and proof that im not just telling 20% of the story.



Also just wanna add, that you are constantly leaving out the fact that they do not have this rule in their ToS. I get that you see a bad intention in my action, but you cant leave this very important fact aside. As i said before, i also play at different sportsbooks - and i respect their rules. Im not gonna multi account there - because its forbidden.

And almost certainly im not gonna risk 10k on a crypto casino if i have been warned before and risk losing my money.

I've given you several reasons for having my opinion - and I'm being pretty explicit about what my opinion is.  The biggest reason is that it's become a fairly regular thing for players to use multiple accounts to get around sportsbook limits after being caught, paid, and warned multiple times, and then come here and play dumb while telling only part of the story in a scam accusation thread hoping to manipulate the community into pressuring the book to pay them.  

Two examples (I'm much more confident than 90% for these):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-holding-my-balance-70000-claiming-odds-provider-investigation-5383835

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-does-not-pay-out-40k-money-scam-5400984

Your situation just has too much in common to overlook the possibility that you're doing the same thing.  I'm sorry if you're not - truly.  But keeping my mouth shut does more damage than sharing my thoughts (more players will keep doing this, using the forum to manipulate the community, until it doesn't work anymore).  At least imo.

Yea, im considering that already. Even more after such an answer. I know my case is strong enough, since they cant back up anything they claim here.

Yea you are 90% sure, because since this thread started you have been basically always implying im talking some sort of bullshit for no reason.
Please keep blindly believing those bookies, but stop implying things here for no reason.

Also where is there proof of claim here? There argument is equally unfair, because they can just post chat messages and say its my account. How does that proof anything?
For example, its the first Account where they asked me to KYC. So theres literally only one account where ive done KYC.

Im willing to lay everything open. For a matter of fact, my accounts are not banned besides that one, and im willing to let someone from this forum as a middleman look into this accounts, and see my history AND most importantly that i havent received any warning. But obviously they could just investigate further now and ban those accounts and deny my access to them. (But i made screen recordings just now while im in the account, showing date and everything. So be careful rollbit )


Also, if they would have warned me on other accounts and decided to pull the plug on this one finally, why havent they mentioned anything about that in the chat messages they sent me in the end? I have the entire conversation screenshoted and not once have they said "because you have been warned before" or anything like that.

This seems very suspicious of you. You don't prove anything you claim.

I can somewhat relate to the OP as I myself get limited very often. In these cases I never get any warnings at all. Why would you do this differently?

As OP states, why would he deposit the 10K if he knew you were going to confiscate the money? No one can be that stupid unless he has registered under other forms and if thats the case - how do you know it's him? Same ip? Registered under the same name? Same wallet address? Same email?

And how did he abuse the sportsbook? He clearly states that he is betting on NBA which is a big market.

I think you need to be more specific because your response leave many clues.

 So if I understand, when a user is making losses it is just ok,
 but if a user is doing profits you just limit or ban him ??



 @Lak93xy you could bring a lawsuit against them, similar cases has been got right delivered by the past.



 @Rollbit Razer , clearly you should at least let him withdraw the funds recently deposited...

 And wait for the trial.. there is plenty of players/sports betting (winner) that would very happy to sue you for your inequitable practices! 

If they post chat messages, you could just say that's not you they were chatting with.

It's a messy situation.  I'm like 90% confident that you were warned on other accounts and playing dumb now.  Common sense would tell you that when you get limited, it means they don't want your action, and opening a new account to get around those limits is the same as tricking them into taking action they don't want, which is nefarious.  

Rollbit needs to be extremely confident that the person behind this account is the person behind the other accounts that were explicitly warned.  I also think they've put themselves in a untenable situation by offering lines that can be beat while at the same time taking action from new accounts and enforcing limits on individuals.  They should figure out a solution or an innocent player will eventually have their funds seized and their reputation will be damaged. (1xbit is a well known scam casino that has this move in their business plan.  You don't want to be looked at like 1xbit)  I also think they should be explicit in their terms that using alts to get around sportsbook limits is not ok - yes, it's common sense, but clearly the fact that it's not in the terms will be enough to convince players to give it a shot and see what they can get away with.


Maybe you couldn't get action anywhere else with their lines, maybe you had your eye on a particularly juicy edge, you thought you'd get away with it, you thought you'd convince them to return the money if you didn't.  Lots of possible reasons.

I assume you were up significantly more than $10k on your other accounts.

The more i think about your reply, the more angry i get.

Why would i even come back and deposit TEN THOUSAND if i would have received a warning and you threatened to seize my funds? This makes absolutely no sense.

Do you really think i would come back to your site and risk this amount of money? Im not sure what picture you are trying to draw here, but i havent won that much on your site. You are acting like i won some insane amount on your platform which is not the case

And second; If you were aware of everything & you dont want people to do that on your site, because as it seems im not the only one who has created new accounts for new sport limits, why didnt you change your ToS?

Honestly this answer just proves to me how scammy you guys are.

This is simply not true, you have not warned me a single time nor have you ever banned one of my accounts before.

Please provide evidence of that.

Im sure there have to be chat messages or whatever.

All that has happened so far to my accounts is just purely being limited. Why are you lying?


Also, where have i said that this was my first account? I stated right at the start that this was NOT my first account.



Im sure there are other folks out there, who maybe did the same. But how do you draw the conclusion that those were MY accounts? I would really appreciate you coming forward with evidence, to prove that those accounts warned were mine.

Honestly sounds to me like you are aware, that it looks super scammy to do what u did without previous warnings.
So theres really only 2 options; either you are trying to lie about it OR ur confusing other accounts with mine.

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

You might have your reasons to defend them. I have my own reasons to protect my funds. It is what it is.
Still, I'm sure if this thing goes official, I am in the right here.

Nevertheless, it's a useless back-and-forth discussion here between us. Nothing constructive about it anymore due to everyone sticking to their own point of view.
Let's just wait for Rollbit to answer and hopefully we can get it solved and they'll return my funds.

Peace.

Having fun with it is one thing. But I don't think OP had a practical joke on his mind when he created his second account.

Gambling is flawed and winners are undesirable.
I can say the same thing. If you consider using multiple accounts as a workaround to betting limits, then there is something wrong with you and your interpretation of what is fair and what isn't. I am not protecting them. I just don't agree with you and your way of understanding fair usage. I think you knew exactly what you wanted to do but it didn't work. Or maybe it worked for a while until they figured it out. This last part is again speculation based on the support admins answer where he thanked you for giving back a part of the money you allegedly took from the casino.

That's again your interpretation of events. Mine is different and that's why we don't see eye to eye. You think your multi-accounting was cute and innocent fun, I think it was a well thought out move to get greater betting limits, wager more than allowed, and win more.

That we agree on. No matter what decision was taken, they should explain what they think happened and why they did what they did.

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Show me where you asked their support if you are allowed to use multiple accounts to circumvent set betting restrictions and they said it's fine to do that!

The reasons and purposes for the multi-accounting is the question, not if it is or it isn't allowed. You didn't ask them the right questions, so they couldn't have given you the correct answers that apply to the way you wanted to use your betting accounts. That screenshot from your friend has nothing to do with your case.