Topic: Ross Ulbricht faces a potential life sentence starting tomorrow. - page 5. (Read 14071 times)

may be true in theory but if the judge doesn't like the line you're taking, he can shut it down, that is just the reality. 

It is the ignorance of the people regarding common law that allows government to do this. Essentially, it is so simple. In court, none of the code or law applies to me, a man, unless there is a verified (sworn statement) by a human being who proves that I was the one who harmed or damaged him. Look at the websites in the above ^^ post.

Very little conclusive personal experience.

Not theories.

Jury is the final authority. If the jury is informed, jury nullification overrules all.

We had no taxes on much of anything before 1936. Now we have all kinds of taxes. People forgot how to use common law to nullify corporate attacks against them, attacks without a human being verifying something, under oath or affirmation, on the stand, with personal knowledge. Instead, we have let the attorneys take over.

There are many people all over the place who are using the law on a small scale to overcome government trampling on human rights. Three places that I have been studying are:
http://1215.org/ - Bill Thornton's work regarding what we are not being taught about common law anymore;
http://www.broadmind.org/ - Karl Lentz, who has taken his own experience and bill Thornton's info, and turned it into a simplified, practical approach;
http://www.johngliha.com/ - To a small extent, the work of John Gliha and the people who trained him back in the mid '90s.

All three of these guys have had their losses and their wins. It has taken this to perfect their use of the law. Get your family lawyers to study their stuff while it is still around. It is my belief that if 5% to 10% of the adult population in the U.S. started to use this stuff, the whole government and banking system would turn around. This might even be part of the stuff that crashes the fiat system in the near future.

However, it was pretty sneaky for his defense to keep this one close to the vest and then drop it on the prosecution during a cross examination of one of their witnesses considering all the collusion between the prosecution team and the judge up til now. None of us know what is really the truth but this shows that Ross has some creative and/or decent attorneys that are smart at muddying the waters and at least keeping the simpletons on the jury on their tip toes on this matter. That was my immediate takeaway value when I saw this.

lol@implying the government can't get their way one way or another.

'Government' and 'uphill' in the judicial system are antonyms.  If you haven't noticed, the government is the judge, juror and executioner.    It's essentially synonymous to suing google in their own in-house legislative court.


Even in your unrealistic dream world scenario, should either of the two magically escape sentencing, then the government always has alternate ways to quietly erase them 'off the map,' so to speak.

They can and will do as they please...without recourse.

And I can't fathom how anyone in their right mind could defend either of the two.  I'd be completely fine with an underground craigslist type selling world that strictly prohibits black market fire arms and hard drugs (no, marijuana isn't a hard drug).   But supporting either one of these ass-clowns is essentially stating your support for heroin addicts and child pornography.  i.e. you are a sick f___  (insert the blank)

it is a bullshit. Ross Ulbricht owned Silk Road. FBI will bring the evidence next weeks. You will see.

Karpeles remains a thief and money launderer as most of the Bitcoin exchangers

it looks that the trial has bring some really strange possibilities

some times life takes over fiction

I would never have expected that! You really cannot make this stuff up.

Do you have actual experience in the legal system, or are you just spouting theories?
I have several lawyers in my family... And from what they tell me, anything is possible.
It's really up to the judges and juries.

Notice, the thread title says "potential" life sentence. Government has a long way to go to prove Ross had anything to do with anything illegal. Their goal is to get Ross to admit to wrongdoing. If they can't do that, he goes free.

In the event government can literally find a string of evidence, where everyone in the string swears that it is the truth, and the string leads back to Ross, and he is found guilty, even if this takes place and Ross stands at sentencing, all he has to say is, "Can anyone come forward who can verify in court that anything I did caused him harm or damage?"

Then, there better be someone who can prove that broken bones, headaches, cuts, bruises (not some silly mental worry-wart turmoil) was done by Ross. If they can't, he still goes free, if he and his attorneys are smart enough so that he can ask the question.

It is a complete uphill battle for the government, if Ross doesn't open his mouth and convict himself... even if he is guilty as all get-out.

http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-ceo-mark-karpeles-implicated-silk-road-trial/

discuss.

Good joke... "Ulbricht admits founding the site, but says he isn’t DPR" hahaha

I don't think many of these drug cartels are located in the US. Even if they were located in the US it would be very difficult for Ross to help catch and prosecute them because the government already has most/all of the evidence he could potentially turn over in the silk road servers

Silk Road stunner: Ulbricht admits founding the site, but says he isn’t DPR - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/ulbricht-admits-he-founded-silk-road-but-says-he-isnt-dread-pirate-roberts/ .



EDIT: Government has to look good. They have to look useful. And that is besides all the money they stand to rake in. So they'll frame anybody they can.

Lol, 1 billion a year being exchanged on an online drug site is Small Change compared to what some drug cartels exchange yearly. Yes, Ross's Silk Road was the biggest drug exchange ever on the internet, but it is very far from being the biggest drug operation ever. Leaders of drug cartels have been making billions since the early 1900s, Ross is nothing in comparison.

ONE:  Self-reliant and free access to drugs and healthcare are an inalienable right according to Thomas Jefferson's opinion of the United States constitution, which is frankly, the only one that matters.

TWO : I give two shits

THREE : THE MAN HE TRIED TO KILL I DECLARE TO BE AN ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC. He was going to reveal the identities of all SR users. If I were DPR...I'd have done the same thing. Allah u Akbar

He's not pleading guilty though. He's admitted to creating it but seems to be trying to say he passed ownership onto someone else. I don't see how they're gonna buy that when they caught him red handed logged in as DPR.

Of course! The government loves crypto. In fact, they're trading tons of it themselves, and they don't have a bigger brother to oversee them.

We do?

I think they have thrown the book at him. I don't think they will outright not accept any plea deal at all, however there will not be part of any deal that involves him trying to help catch someone "bigger". The government may offer a deal that would involve in pleeding guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence so the government would not need to bear the expense of trying him and risk loosing on 4th amendment appeals.