Topic: Ross Ulbricht faces a potential life sentence starting tomorrow. - page 8. (Read 14071 times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYlJCbqqq8

This is correct. It's about time we get "them" off our backs, by using the things of the Constitution that allow us to do so... against them.

Study Karl and understand, before you jump into anything.

Fuck the IRS and fuck taxation.

The force is weak with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h88XPrvHaNE

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

Paying your taxes isn't the question. Obviously, if the taxes are yours, then pay them. The question is, how do taxes get to be yours? The answer is, one way. You agree that they are yours. That's it. If you don't agree, then they aren't yours.

The IRS and law enforcement will make all kinds of threats, tell you all kinds of lies, put all kinds of pressure on you, until they trick you into saying that the taxes are yours. Once you believe they are yours, there is little way for you to be convinced that they are not. Why? Because you BELIEVE it.

Go the other direction. Make them prove that the taxes are yours. Then, drop back on the common law and get them, as people, to show you the damage and harm you have done to them individually when you don't pay. Did they get cut? Did they get a broken bone? How were they harmed? Prove it and prove that it was you that harmed them.

Quit playing devil's advocate for a bunch of IRS and government criminals that are trying to make slaves of us all.

I am an anarchist and believe your intentions are well placed but my suggestion is made because many of my brethren have been locked up and harmed using these common law techniques.

watch this or read the book for some background into what happens when you play by their rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw3-s172yA4

The battle is better fought from outside of a cage than from within.

Also everybody has right to do whatever they want (with their body for example) as long as they don't harm other so why are drugs forbidden but most harmful one (alcohol) to society and the body is legal one?

DPR knew the risks and is getting unfairly punished.  DPR is not much different than a "Sovereign Citizen."  These beliefs, while contrary to law, are not something we need to spend millions prosecuting.  Paying your taxes is an obligation and not paying them is a crime (while taking all of the benefits of tax payment).  At the same time, he's no Aaron Swartz but it is an injustice to punish him so severely for a victimless crime.  He did displace violent criminals with an operation that catered to demands from adult humans willing to also undertake risks.  Society needs to better implement its laws to avoid injustice at all ends of the spectrum.

That's right. Things like this don't "work."

When a judge or attorney or prosecutor goes against the law and the rules of the court, he has to shut you up fast. Why? Because you have your copy of his actions that you can uses against him. And if he doesn't take you out right then and there, you will come and take him out by using his own stuff against him, as proof positive that he acted unlawfully.

Karl doesn't get messed with. No judge is going to outguess him. He has enough experience and guts that the judge will only dig himself in deeper.

The neat thing about this is, Karl is training a whole bunch of us to do the same things that he does. And because there are a bunch of us now, we all stand together, holding up the legal actions of each other.

Stay in the slavery if you want. But there are a whole bunch of us who don't like it this way. And we are doing something about it, legally and lawfully.

Good for him, he was an important instrument in taking drugs and violence off the streets and providing a valuable service to millions.

This is poor advice and rarely works in real life. Courts don't respect common law and the justice system is corrupt and rarely follow their own laws. It is far better to get a high priced lawyer who knows how to manipulate popular opinion and the corrupt system or not participate at all.

He did damage the goverment "property" as he didn't pay taxes from his "shop".

You're addressing people who actually think anarchy is a viable social solution.  Good luck with that.   

They are not crimes. People might call them crimes, but they are not.

They are code violations. Unless he is employed by government, or unless he is a government official, or unless he has signed a contract with government to not do what he did, he is not liable for code violations.

Nobody is liable for code violations without a contract. People are only liable for "wrongdoing," which is harming someone or damaging his property. The reason government wins in cases like this is, few people stand up as a man/woman and require their rights.

They caught the dude swith his laptop open signed in as administrator. He was facilitating the sale of drugs online and not paying taxes on his earnings.

Last time I checked those are serious crimes.

He knew what he was doing and took the risk anyway.

Don't cry for him.

From "How to handle an Arraignment" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8w3wrvHsY :

NO

You are mistaken...about quite....many....things....you do not deserve to be in my sacred digital homeland.

Fuck off bagholder.

From http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/February14/RossUlbrichtIndictmentPR/US%20v.%20Ross%20Ulbricht%20Indictment.pdf:

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In court...

Judge: How do you plead?

Ross: I require pen and paper, and leave of court for 5 minutes to prepare my answer.

Judge: Granted.

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Firstly: i, a man, ross william ulbright, am not represented, do not represent myself, am present.

Secondly: If any man/woman claim wrongdoing angainst me, i wish, order and demand that man/woman present and verify his/her claim against me in open court of record.

Thirdly: If no man/woman verify claim against me, and/or;

Fourthly: if verified claim is not attached to me, then;

Fifthly: i require return of my property, and;

Sixthly: i require payment to me in the amount of Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) in repayment for enslavement and involuntary servitude, by UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Seventhly: i, say here, and will verify in open court, that all herein be true.

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The attorney for the United States is sworn in and takes the stand.

Ross: Are you UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Attorney: No. I have been authorized by the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to present the case before you.

Ross: Do you have a claim of wrongdoing that I did against you, that you will verify here today in open court?

Attorney: No. I am here to present complaints by the UNITED STATES...

Ross to the judge: Your honor, since this attorney is not the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as attested to by his own testimony, and since he (she) has claimed by testimony that i have done no wrong to him(her), i wish require this attorney to step down from the stand.

[The attorney steps down.]

Ross: As stated in my NOTICE TO THE COURT, "If any man/woman claim wrongdoing angainst me, i wish, order and demand that man/woman present and verify his/her claim against me in open court of record."

[Nobody takes the stand]

Ross: As stated in my NOTICE TO THE COURT, "i require return of my property. i require payment to me in the amount of Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) in repayment for enslavement and involuntary servitude, by UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

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Obviously things wouldn't go quite as smoothly as this, but with the help of Karl Lentz at http://www.broadmind.org/ this process can have Ross done and out of court very rapidly, with return of freedom, and return of his property.

If the courts fail to follow their own rules, Karl will have Ross earning a lot more than $2,000,000 off them. Somebody needs to slip Ross a note telling him that he is being screwed by his attorneys, and that he should contact Karl. Karl is a free man, so nobody knows for sure what he might do. But there's a good chance Karl would love this opportunity, and if he does, he will charge only a token fee for his services, far less than any attorneys, yet having far greater success.

It will be interesting to see what actually sticks. The literal "throwing the book" plus Dick Francis, Tom Clancy, Clive Cussler etc fictional embellishments, trick is getting "old".