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legendary
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Youtube is also full of videos under "party levitation".

The quest is to increase the antigravity field strength by a factor of 3, so that the object becomes weightless.



Laws of physics be damned, we're innovating over here.

Gravity is a part of the corrupt legacy physics system. Throw off the shackles of banksters and sciencers nao!

sr. member
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Youtube is also full of videos under "party levitation".

The quest is to increase the antigravity field strength by a factor of 3, so that the object becomes weightless.



Laws of physics be damned, we're innovating over here.
hero member
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21 million. I want them all.
I would like to see that experiment performed, (along with a real photo of a satellite in space)

The report is detailed enough to replicate it at home. The main source for instructions in this case.

Youtube is also full of videos under "party levitation".

The quest is to increase the antigravity field strength by a factor of 3, so that the object becomes weightless.

have you attempted this?
donator
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I would like to see that experiment performed, (along with a real photo of a satellite in space)

The report is detailed enough to replicate it at home. The main source for instructions in this case.

Youtube is also full of videos under "party levitation".

The quest is to increase the antigravity field strength by a factor of 3, so that the object becomes weightless.
sr. member
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I would like to see that experiment performed, (along with a real photo of a satellite in space)
legendary
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Okay,

Interesting
donator
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Anti-gravity field induced levitation of a kettlebell

Experiment report


Conclusion: Two people were able to cause an apparent 33% temporary weight (gravity) reduction on an iron kettlebell.

Background: Earlier experiments with a ~20 kg girl had ended inconclusive whether gravity reduction had been achieved. Further experiments were conducted in earth surface level with objects of known weight.

Setting:
Two iron kettlebells, 16 kg and 24 kg were tested if two people can lift them by extending the arm and placing two extended fingers below the handle from opposite sides and then lifting vertically. It was possible to lift the 16 kg using considerable effort, the 24 kg was too heavy to be moved.

Experiment:
The 24 kg kettlebell (henceforth called "object") was put on a stand about 70 cm high and confirmed that it cannot be moved with the technique described.

Two males constructed an antigravity field by positioning themselves to the NE and SW directions from the object. No special preparations were made except the positioning. There were metal items on the levitators and around the room. The room was earth surface level, with a basement floor beneath.

The antigravity field was vested on the object by person "A" putting his left hand upon the handle, then person "B" left hand, then "A" right hand, then "B" right hand. The hands of the same person did not touch each other. The object was pressed down with moderate force while the levitators counted to 10 in Finnish.

After "10" sounded, the levitators removed the hands from the object and put two fingers each through the handle of the object. They then proceeded to lift it about 40 cm from the stand, using considerable effort, and then returned it into the stand with ease.

Then they danced around for about 30 seconds touching each other, the object and other objects randomly and tried to lift it up again. It was not possible.

Result:
The method described had caused the 24 kg kettlebell to temporarily lose so much weight that it was possible to lift it, as had been possible for the 16 kg kettlebell. The effort required felt approximately equal to that of lifting the 16 kg kettlebell, so the object had apparently lost 33% of its weight.

Discussion:
The result is significant as it was a product of pure experiment. We did not have any guide on how to construct the antigravity field with only 2 people. There are possibly loads of things in the preparations that could have been done, and when done properly, can increase the strength of the field and the gravity reduction.

Also the goal to achieve zero or negative gravity when the circumstances are correct seems achievable.

Further tests:
To efficiently measure the antigravity, the next experiment will include a scale.
donator
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This affords an opportunity to distill my investment strategy more:

- Regard every investment such that you assume your understanding concerning it is totally incorrect. (Typically a total loss is a good approximation, though in some you increase your chances of going to jail as well.)
- Find out the greatest intercorrelation of total loss (which event would cause you to be totally incorrect in the largest number of investments at the same time)
- Make sure you are OK even in the case when you have been as incorrect as logically is possible.
- Invest all the remainder as profitably as possible (Expected Value analysis) with no regard to conventional guidance. You are free to do whatever you want as you are covered against the highest theoretical negative scenario already. Here it helps to be correct in your analysis of course, because that determines the upside Wink
legendary
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... or do you mean not to place my bets that my definition of 'adequate' is adequate?

Do not invest in a way that assumes that your worldview is correct.

The more confident you are on that your worldview is correct, (statistically) the less likely you are indeed correct, and the more likely you are to invest disproportionately in assets whose performance depends on you being correct, and the less their performance turns out to be, if/when you are not actually correct, and the less the good performance in the other assets can help you as you did not buy them in the first place.

If your worldview is paranoid, including concerning your perception of yourself being correct, the more likely you actually are reasonably correct, and the conservative investment strategy also yields good results to you, as it has done to me.

The way I would put it is that confidence based on subjectivity and objectivity are two different matters, but ironically in investing it is statistically true for the herd objective or not. I would not draw confidence from a universal definition of adequate in principle.
legendary
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Digging into the nature of the powers that shouldn't be: I think malice is the primary driver.

The deceptive are far fewer than the easily deceived. Its no good blaming Hitler and his pals for WWII, you have to blame the human race. You have to blame the middle east not religion.
donator
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... or do you mean not to place my bets that my definition of 'adequate' is adequate?

Do not invest in a way that assumes that your worldview is correct.

The more confident you are on that your worldview is correct, (statistically) the less likely you are indeed correct, and the more likely you are to invest disproportionately in assets whose performance depends on you being correct, and the less their performance turns out to be, if/when you are not actually correct, and the less the good performance in the other assets can help you as you did not buy them in the first place.

If your worldview is paranoid, including concerning your perception of yourself being correct, the more likely you actually are reasonably correct, and the conservative investment strategy also yields good results to you, as it has done to me.
legendary
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Digging into the nature of the powers that shouldn't be: I think malice is the primary driver.
legendary
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Whatever is not adequately explained by stupidity must be attributed to malice.

(And: Don't be stupid enough to place all your bets on the premise that your definition of "adequate" is universal.)

entails but...the second bit.... not sure what you mean. I wouldn't bet on such a thing. Some people are sure to disagree with me. If you disagree with me that the vast majority of problems may be adequately attributed to stupidity and fallacy then its none of my business.

... or do you mean not to place my bets that my definition of 'adequate' is adequate?
legendary
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A major impediment to government mining, is the fact that there is no seigniorage.

Once you are in the hash majority, seignorage is trivial to arrange.

The old 51 percent attack.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
A major impediment to government mining, is the fact that there is no seigniorage.

Once you are in the hash majority, seignorage is trivial to arrange.
donator
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Whatever is not adequately explained by stupidity must be attributed to malice.

(And: Don't be stupid enough to place all your bets on the premise that your definition of "adequate" is universal.)
legendary
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It's been said that bitcoin is "good enough".
Don't you think a significantly better coin is needed to overtake bitcoin, not a coin that only is a bit more reliable and anonymous?

I really don't see the hype around monero but I might get me some just in case Cool

By whom?  When?

Bitcoin is not good enough.  That is the problem.  As a public ledger, it is good enough.  For cash or SOV purposes, it is falling shorter by the day.  Privacy is an essential requirement.



Bitcoin is plenty good enough. There are practical ways to achieve anonymity with bitcoin if you want to. Tumbling, mixing and swapping mechanisms can be made as secure, easy and decentralised as bitcoin its self. These methods are particularly easy and effective for moderately small sums of money like only a few thousand dollars. But transparency is the beauty of bitcoin in that it becomes harder to move very large sums of money on the blockchain anonymously. This is a good thing! you can watch HSBC laundering money on your own desktop. With bitcoin you can have a balance between anonymity and transparency that is ideal.


The problem with BTC transparency:
Basically it comes down to 2 possible scenario's: blacklisting and whitelisting

Government could on one hand through “whitelisting” obligate bitcoin users  to identify themselves when they purchase bitcoins (this is already happening) and ask them to whom they are transferring these bitcoins (the American website Coinbase is already asking this for some transactions). In the future this could lead to a situation in which only “identified” bitcoins would be spendable at regulated payment processors (bitpay?). As a result, your anonymous bitcoins would only be spendable if you match them to your identity through a regulated authority.

A more aggressive approach is “blacklisting”. This is a system whereby the government obligates the big mining pools (which are verifying and recording transactions in the blockchain) to not sustain certain transactions. As a result, coinjoin-transactions and transactions coming from mixers could be blacklisted whereby it would be very difficult to still perform these kind of transactions. If only a few miners process these kind of transactions, they would at least be very slow. But if the regulated pools decide to not accept blocks with mixed transactions in them, you can’t even use anonymized bitcoins! Also, other (private) miners could be incentivized to enforce the regulation, even if they are not known to the government:
if it is illigal to build on a block with a "blacklisted transaction" and if some big pools would comply, it doesn't really make sense to built on this illigal chain... If you don't comply, this big pool will not build on your chain and you will loose your reward!
edit: I expect a lot of pools to comply, because the individual miners in a pool which does not comply with blacklisting, could be considered doing "money laundering" because part of the reward they receive comes from the transaction fees!

In essence this could lead to three kinds of bitcoins:
-White bitcoins: bitcoins that satisfy the obligation of identification.
-Grey bitcoins: bitcoins that are not yet identified, but which are not actively anonymized.
-Black bitcoins: bitcoins that are banned by miners.

The consequence? Bitcoin will not be fungible anymore: you can’t just use a grey or black bitcoin to buy something from a webshop. If the government is able to discover that you possess black bitcoins or process blacklisted type transactions, you could even be seen as a someone committing a criminal offence.




Yeah so which government? all the governments? will they share personal data of their citizens? and how will these governments stop extreme deflation of clean coins.... the 'clean coin currency' will be even less stable than bitcoin as the clean coins will all get put through the same tumble machine. There will be incentive to take clean coins in exchange for 'dirty' coins as a service at a premium because to enforce such a regulation over the whole world would be impossible to do and dirty coins will continue to have value. One government will take advantage over the other to collect their cheap dirty coins and then magically clean them. The world is so much bigger than that.


just to add to that..... If you imagine the sheer amount of data there is to process if every transaction, every micro transaction, had to be officially tied to an identity and that information be validated and proof checked, it would quickly get out of hand. Bad transactions would make it through and deflate the clean coins. Its still vulnerable to false information.

Mining pools can be decentralised, its already being done. I cant imagine a situation where any single government or even many in unison can block all transactions.
legendary
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read my post above, what if "many to many" transactions are banned by the miners because of "potential money laundering"

In a scenario where miners are banned from processing "many to many" transactions, what happens to anonycoin miners?

I'm not saying that Monero will be left unregulated when Bitcoin is being regulated with black- and or whitelisting. It's even possible that Monero will be illegal in some countries. Although, this would make it even more stealth (people would ony use it with I2P f.e.)

The public ledger makes it possible that miners comply with the rules. In Monero, you can't see what you are processing. At least you have "plausible deniability". Government would only have the choice between banning monero completely, or allowing it (with a possible requirement to share your viewkey if they ask; but there is still plausible deniability about how much monero accounts you own Wink )

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Are you saying there is something about Bitcoin miners that makes them unable to anonymize themselves? (If so, who is Satoshi? Wink)

No, that is possible. But (some) pools will probably comply because a lot of miners will just want to mine at a pool that complies.
(these miners are not willing to take the risk of comitting a criminal offence while they are just in it for the mining profit, not caring about fungibility)

I think this boils down to the set of scenarios where the government quasi-embraces Bitcoin but tries to control it to various degrees, wherein depending on how much control they exert, there are various possible results ranging from a fork to a spin-off. When and if it becomes compelling enough to make Bitcoin as default-anonymous as Monero appears to be, that will happen. So far no real attacks have been lobbed from the state, so there is no need yet. The market punishes premature action.

A major impediment to government mining, is the fact that there is no seigniorage. Thy could try anyway out of stupidity, just like Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who hoped to profit from reopening old gold mines. There is no extra profit, they can not monopolize it, so mining will be left alone.
legendary
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read my post above, what if "many to many" transactions are banned by the miners because of "potential money laundering"

In a scenario where miners are banned from processing "many to many" transactions, what happens to anonycoin miners?

I'm not saying that Monero will be left unregulated when Bitcoin is being regulated with black- and or whitelisting. It's even possible that Monero will be illegal in some countries. Although, this would make it even more stealth (people would ony use it with I2P f.e.)

The public ledger makes it possible that miners comply with the rules. In Monero, you can't see what you are processing. At least you have "plausible deniability". Government would only have the choice between banning monero completely, or allowing it (with a possible requirement to share your viewkey if they ask; but there is still plausible deniability about how much monero accounts you own Wink )

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Are you saying there is something about Bitcoin miners that makes them unable to anonymize themselves? (If so, who is Satoshi? Wink)

No, that is possible. But (some) pools will probably comply because a lot of miners will just want to mine at a pool that complies.
(these miners are not willing to take the risk of comitting a criminal offence while they are just in it for the mining profit, not caring about fungibility)

I think this boils down to the set of scenarios where the government quasi-embraces Bitcoin but tries to control it to various degrees, wherein depending on how much control they exert, there are various possible results ranging from a fork to a spin-off. When and if it becomes compelling enough to make Bitcoin as default-anonymous as Monero appears to be, that will happen. So far no real attacks have been lobbed from the state, so there is no need yet. The market punishes premature action.
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