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Is it totally implausible that agents of a Central Bank could be quietly buying BTC and systematically dumping at a loss at precise times in order to suppress price?
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Implausible?  It's a scientifically proven fact.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.
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Colletrix - Bridging the Physical and Virtual Worl
Is it totally implausible that agents of a Central Bank could be quietly buying BTC and systematically dumping at a loss at precise times in order to suppress price?

Net losses would be negligible for that type of entity and might easily be swept under the rug in a context of monetary expansion.
legendary
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It would be great if they sold all at once because we are not gong anywhere... it will only bring more money in in a frenzy to buy the bottom. Sadly they wouldn't do this.. they would rather sell slowly and keep the market from rising similar to gold... however once they are done.. buying pressure will take them over and we will rise regardless of their efforts.. actually its good they sell now and not later when btc is $10k

What happened when US ran out of gold?

Yes: they wage war and take it from Saddam, Gadhaffi, Ukraine and everywhere else there is some.

Maybe we don't want those crazies with big guns run out of bitcoins?


Loading tonnes and tonnes of gold onto cargo planes in the middle of the night headed straight to America. In retrospect, it seems sort of... unseemly?

unseemly? surely you know the US is an extraordinary nation. Hence, they don't have to play by the rules. They have extraordinary privileges given by god. Since printing USD doesn't work so well any more, clearly they are entitled to taking other peoples gold. What I don't understand, though: since they're gods nation, why don't they just take the vast quantities of gold from the Vatican?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone

sr. member
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...Since printing USD doesn't work so well any more...

Working just fine.
USD doing great rel. all teh inferior backwater currencies, Bitcoin included.

legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
What I don't understand, though: since they're gods nation, why don't they just take the vast quantities of gold from the Vatican?
That God is probably different from their god, even if they look the same. It's easier to take "bad" gold from "bad" countries than it is to take "good" gold from a "good" state.
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It would be great if they sold all at once because we are not gong anywhere... it will only bring more money in in a frenzy to buy the bottom. Sadly they wouldn't do this.. they would rather sell slowly and keep the market from rising similar to gold... however once they are done.. buying pressure will take them over and we will rise regardless of their efforts.. actually its good they sell now and not later when btc is $10k

What happened when US ran out of gold?

Yes: they wage war and take it from Saddam, Gadhaffi, Ukraine and everywhere else there is some.

Maybe we don't want those crazies with big guns run out of bitcoins?


Loading tonnes and tonnes of gold onto cargo planes in the middle of the night headed straight to America. In retrospect, it seems sort of... unseemly?

unseemly? surely you know the US is an extraordinary nation. Hence, they don't have to play by the rules. They have extraordinary privileges given by god. Since printing USD doesn't work so well any more, clearly they are entitled to taking other peoples gold. What I don't understand, though: since they're gods nation, why don't they just take the vast quantities of gold from the Vatican?
legendary
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It would be great if they sold all at once because we are not gong anywhere... it will only bring more money in in a frenzy to buy the bottom. Sadly they wouldn't do this.. they would rather sell slowly and keep the market from rising similar to gold... however once they are done.. buying pressure will take them over and we will rise regardless of their efforts.. actually its good they sell now and not later when btc is $10k

What happened when US ran out of gold?

Yes: they wage war and take it from Saddam, Gadhaffi, Ukraine and everywhere else there is some.

Maybe we don't want those crazies with big guns run out of bitcoins?


Loading tonnes and tonnes of gold onto cargo planes in the middle of the night headed straight to America. In retrospect, it seems sort of... unseemly?
legendary
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...how would he describe this thing humans call "government"?

Give clueless aliens this link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

I see you've migrated over to the Quality TA thread. It's so posh over here. Big comfy couches...
legendary
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100 satoshis -> ISO code

I don't know where you get that Barry is keen not to be outdone.  He is not buying but setting up a "syndicate" like last time. 

It seems most everybody in his syndicate last time wanted to low ball and make a quick profit.  If this auction goes like the last one bidding market price will not win.  They may have learned from last time but being that the syndicate is made up of many buy orders it's not like any individual of the syndicate would have incentive to  buy over market because of slippage.

Does it make reputational sense to publicly come up with zero multiple times? Yes, they should learn from previously.
legendary
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I don't know where you get that Barry is keen not to be outdone.  He is not buying but setting up a "syndicate" like last time. 

It seems most everybody in his syndicate last time wanted to low ball and make a quick profit.  If this auction goes like the last one bidding market price will not win.  They may have learned from last time but being that the syndicate is made up of many buy orders it's not like any individual of the syndicate would have incentive to  buy over market because of slippage.

sr. member
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I don't think the auctions will have a huge effect on the price. Why would you go to the trouble to buy all the coins at auction if only to dump them at market with slippage?

Buy low.  Sell higher.  Profit.

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No, these buyers are strong hands. If anything some of these coins will get distributed to weak hands during the next exponential run up and you won't even notice.

"Next exponential run up" Cheesy  Good one, bro.
OK, OK, now that I'm done laughing, how will these coins "get distributed to weak hands"?
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I don't think the auctions will have a huge effect on the price. Why would you go to the trouble to buy all the coins at auction if only to dump them at market with slippage?

No, these buyers are strong hands. If anything some of these coins will get distributed to weak hands during the next exponential run up and you won't even notice.
donator
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It would be great if they sold all at once because we are not gong anywhere... it will only bring more money in in a frenzy to buy the bottom. Sadly they wouldn't do this.. they would rather sell slowly and keep the market from rising similar to gold... however once they are done.. buying pressure will take them over and we will rise regardless of their efforts.. actually its good they sell now and not later when btc is $10k

What happened when US ran out of gold?

Yes: they wage war and take it from Saddam, Gadhaffi, Ukraine and everywhere else there is some.

Maybe we don't want those crazies with big guns run out of bitcoins?
legendary
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It would be great if they sold all at once because we are not gong anywhere... it will only bring more money in in a frenzy to buy the bottom. Sadly they wouldn't do this.. they would rather sell slowly and keep the market from rising similar to gold... however once they are done.. buying pressure will take them over and we will rise regardless of their efforts.. actually its good they sell now and not later when btc is $10k

They have only 144k coins, so it is not that they can repeat it many times over.
I believe historically it would be looked at just as selling gold by the Bank of England at $250 is currently being looked at (with gold above $1000).
legendary
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It would be great if they sold all at once because we are not gong anywhere... it will only bring more money in in a frenzy to buy the bottom. Sadly they wouldn't do this.. they would rather sell slowly and keep the market from rising similar to gold... however once they are done.. buying pressure will take them over and we will rise regardless of their efforts.. actually its good they sell now and not later when btc is $10k
sr. member
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50 000 bitcoin auction... i expected bitcoin to drop hard, but it seems it didn't..
Wondering if the drop because of this news-item is still coming.
(How many bitcoins were in the last auction - was it 30 000?)

The orderbook is too deep right now on BFX to support a fast movement downward -- somebody would more or less need to go nuts with the sell off or, more likely, the floors will move down gradually.

Why we go down:
1. The price will be suppressed in this auction because nobody wants to overbid like Draper did and turn into a punch line;
2. If the coins are bought at below market, there might be a move to secure some of the gains.

Why we go up:
1. Anybody buying that many coins would see slippage if they went into the market;
2. Anybody buying that many coins likely believes in the value of Bitcoins; and
3. And anybody who believes that much and wants to avoid slippage may assume the same of other bidders so you get an auction up effect.

In the end, nobody knows. Generally, 50,000 coins that weren't available for use suddenly being available for use is intrinsically bearish -- but then again, it is less than a quarter percent of 21 million -- so not too wildly bearish.


I thought that the feds had seized about 144k BTC from Ross Ulbricht's alleged personal stash?  Well, anyhow, this auction is for only about 1/3 of that quantity.

 Anybody know the reason or a better description of the facts?





This is the reason, according to coindesk:

USMS spokesperson Lynzey Donahue told CoinDesk that the USMS intends to hold additional auctions for the remainder of Ulbricht's bitcoin holdings in the months ahead, but that it has yet to set dates for any subsequent sales. When asked, Donahue acknowledged that the auctions were being held over an undisclosed period of time to avoid potential market problems.

http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-latest-bitcoin-auction-timed-avoid-market-disruptions/
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
50 000 bitcoin auction... i expected bitcoin to drop hard, but it seems it didn't..
Wondering if the drop because of this news-item is still coming.
(How many bitcoins were in the last auction - was it 30 000?)

The orderbook is too deep right now on BFX to support a fast movement downward -- somebody would more or less need to go nuts with the sell off or, more likely, the floors will move down gradually.

Why we go down:
1. The price will be suppressed in this auction because nobody wants to overbid like Draper did and turn into a punch line;
2. If the coins are bought at below market, there might be a move to secure some of the gains.

Why we go up:
1. Anybody buying that many coins would see slippage if they went into the market;
2. Anybody buying that many coins likely believes in the value of Bitcoins; and
3. And anybody who believes that much and wants to avoid slippage may assume the same of other bidders so you get an auction up effect.

In the end, nobody knows. Generally, 50,000 coins that weren't available for use suddenly being available for use is intrinsically bearish -- but then again, it is less than a quarter percent of 21 million -- so not too wildly bearish.


I thought that the feds had seized about 144k BTC from Ross Ulbricht's alleged personal stash?  Well, anyhow, this auction is for only about 1/3 of that quantity.

 Anybody know the reason or a better description of the facts?



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50 000 bitcoin auction... i expected bitcoin to drop hard, but it seems it didn't..
Wondering if the drop because of this news-item is still coming.
(How many bitcoins were in the last auction - was it 30 000?)

The orderbook is too deep right now on BFX to support a fast movement downward -- somebody would more or less need to go nuts with the sell off or, more likely, the floors will move down gradually.

Why we go down:
1. The price will be suppressed in this auction because nobody wants to overbid like Draper did and turn into a punch line;
2. If the coins are bought at below market, there might be a move to secure some of the gains.

Why we go up:
1. Anybody buying that many coins would see slippage if they went into the market;
2. Anybody buying that many coins likely believes in the value of Bitcoins; and
3. And anybody who believes that much and wants to avoid slippage may assume the same of other bidders so you get an auction up effect.

In the end, nobody knows. Generally, 50,000 coins that weren't available for use suddenly being available for use is intrinsically bearish -- but then again, it is less than a quarter percent of 21 million -- so not too wildly bearish.
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