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legendary
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Sounds like you have been watching too much fox news and the like to be so detached from reality.

What is your definition of "government"?

I'm not asking for what governments should be or should do, but rather, what they are.  If an alien was watching the Earth from above, how would he describe this thing humans call "government"?
sr. member
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Be fruitful and multiply--hate whoever you wish.  Tasty earthling.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.
legendary
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^^


Hating the fatherly government is ok, as long as you stay conformant.

sr. member
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legendary
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A government is equal to a mafia, but which has secured total power over some area, and has been able to relax the violence to achive higher taxable output from the governed. The tools are to make the subjects obediant and conformant, and create the illusion that the state creates more value than is extracted from the subjects.

If the Islamic State can hold on to their power, you will see this development taking place in real time.
legendary
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your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.

Governments are the result of complex societies, not the cause of them. You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.


I don't see anything incorrect with this assertion.. and I do NOT see anything wrong with attempting a large variety of reforms to address parasite issues.

I suspect, however, based on some of our earlier communications on the topic that you are attributing parasite class to various poor people and regular people, when the biggest and most problematic parasite classes are the very wealthy who tend to use government to rob from the poor and regular people and to fill their coffers and to prevent prosperity of regular people in order that regular people can continue to be exploited and taken advantage of and blamed for social ills.

This is a false dichotomy. It is a bogus argument to create tension, to hide the real problem. The parasite class is the political class, those who think they can decide over others using coercion. They buy support from the poor, and create poorness, through the spoils system, and the rich through the same way through corporate welfare. Everything is paid for by the victims themselves. A policy of tension, or  divide and conquer.




Sounds like you have been watching too much fox news and the like to be so detached from reality.

Not fox. By the way, reality seems to be an in-word currently.

legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 11105
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.

Governments are the result of complex societies, not the cause of them. You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.


I don't see anything incorrect with this assertion.. and I do NOT see anything wrong with attempting a large variety of reforms to address parasite issues.

I suspect, however, based on some of our earlier communications on the topic that you are attributing parasite class to various poor people and regular people, when the biggest and most problematic parasite classes are the very wealthy who tend to use government to rob from the poor and regular people and to fill their coffers and to prevent prosperity of regular people in order that regular people can continue to be exploited and taken advantage of and blamed for social ills.

This is a false dichotomy. It is a bogus argument to create tension, to hide the real problem. The parasite class is the political class, those who think they can decide over others using coercion. They buy support from the poor, and create poorness, through the spoils system, and the rich through the same way through corporate welfare. Everything is paid for by the victims themselves. A policy of tension, or  divide and conquer.




Sounds like you have been watching too much fox news and the like to be so detached from reality.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1005

your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.

Governments are the result of complex societies, not the cause of them. You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.


I don't see anything incorrect with this assertion.. and I do NOT see anything wrong with attempting a large variety of reforms to address parasite issues.

I suspect, however, based on some of our earlier communications on the topic that you are attributing parasite class to various poor people and regular people, when the biggest and most problematic parasite classes are the very wealthy who tend to use government to rob from the poor and regular people and to fill their coffers and to prevent prosperity of regular people in order that regular people can continue to be exploited and taken advantage of and blamed for social ills.

This is a false dichotomy. It is a bogus argument to create tension, to hide the real problem. The parasite class is the political class, those who think they can decide over others using coercion. They buy support from the poor, and create poorness, through the spoils system, and the rich through the same way through corporate welfare. Everything is paid for by the victims themselves. A policy of tension, or  divide and conquer.

sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.

I hope we're not expected to be proud of our parasites.

They certainly think we should adore them.

Love us or die.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.
legendary
Activity: 1512
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You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.

I hope we're not expected to be proud of our parasites.

They certainly think we should adore them.

legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 11105
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.

Governments are the result of complex societies, not the cause of them. You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.


I don't see anything incorrect with this assertion.. and I do NOT see anything wrong with attempting a large variety of reforms to address parasite issues.

I suspect, however, based on some of our earlier communications on the topic that you are attributing parasite class to various poor people and regular people, when the biggest and most problematic parasite classes are the very wealthy who tend to use government to rob from the poor and regular people and to fill their coffers and to prevent prosperity of regular people in order that regular people can continue to be exploited and taken advantage of and blamed for social ills.
legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 11105
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.

I'm going wrong... I don't think so.  If we are talking about taxes and if we are talking about pooling of resources, then community and government have a lot to do with one another.

The mere fact and gripe that people have concerns government entities and government officials being corrupt and influenced by money and even legally so, does NOT remove the fact that government is an arm of the will of the people and is meant to serve such.. the fact that it frequently does NOT does NOT mean that the correct course of action is to abolish it completely.

In fact, you are suggesting the burden is on me to make such arguments in support of government, and it is NOT on me. The burden remains on these various nut job cases who are asserting that we get rid of all government and that we get rid of all taxes and we convert to some kind of pie in the sky volunteerism.  These nut jobs do NOT realize that they are nut jobs in spite of putting forth pie in the sky visions, but NOT really outlining how exactly they intend society to transition from its current state to the government free version that they non-specifically describe.
legendary
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Merit: 1005
Japanese propose a "better" bitcoin
http://www.coindesk.com/japanese-scholars-draft-proposal-better-bitcoin/

In my opinion, this is a non-starter, but there is something there I am interested in, which is what would happen if the price of bitcoin goes significantly below the cost of production for most miners.

In my opinion, at $200 per BTC we would probably lose a half or more of the network, and at $100, we would lose ~80%. 15% of the network are home miners, which would be the slowest to turn the equipment off. That said, i maintain that for the bull market to restart we need to at least halve the network size first as happened in late 2011. However, KnC just announced a new 20mw data center, which does not bode well for the immediate future. Only when some of these large scale miners go out of business, bull market will resume.

If Eligius (for example) decided to dump its reserves, that could cause a feedback loop of dumping that would put Bitcoin into a coma
Inflation targetting via a peg? Wouldnt this be centralized? We are back to bitshares which already has bitusd etc... That proposal is nothing special
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.

I hope we're not expected to be proud of our parasites.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1007
Hide your women

your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.

Governments are the result of complex societies, not the cause of them. You need to have wealth in order to afford a parasite class.
legendary
Activity: 1040
Merit: 1001

your being too extreme and over generalizing... show me a complex society without some community entities (otherwise known as government). 

This is where you go wrong.  Community != government.  There's a MASSIVE difference between the two.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
isolated actors =! the majority, troll

Please don't quote him.

donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
What they can do though, is to attack Bitcoin due to all the non-reversible scams & hacks, bad PR, price fluctuations etc etc, and say "look, we will give you a digital currency that is all that Bitcoin was and safer, more stable due to government backing" etc etc. We give you safety and stability and we take your freedom kind-of-deal.

As long as we have a real choice...

The masses would take it any day btw with some proper conditioning. The problem is not the masses, it's the states/countries. Why give monetary control to an outside source? It is financial suicide if a country can't issue their own national currency and instead have to borrow it from a central bank which is elsewhere. So they might entice the countries by saying "we'll erase a large part of your debt if you accept this new currency" and that will give the puppet-rulers installed in each country a disguise of "legitimacy" for betraying their countries and handing over monetary control to the over-state of the global central bank.

sadly, this seems a likely scenario.

The idea of the nationstate is failing. The governments of the world are being corrupted by the men running the monetary system. It's a kind of fascism basically: the corporatocracy and governments collaborate to control the people. And yes, I agree, it's a possibility we'll end up with "one western central bank". Might be spawned from the IMF. They'll issue (or likely reuse the SDR) a new fiat and back it with some non-existant gold for good measure.

Good thing we have crypto to fight back.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
Japanese propose a "better" bitcoin
http://www.coindesk.com/japanese-scholars-draft-proposal-better-bitcoin/

In my opinion, this is a non-starter, but there is something there I am interested in, which is what would happen if the price of bitcoin goes significantly below the cost of production for most miners.

In my opinion, at $200 per BTC we would probably lose a half or more of the network, and at $100, we would lose ~80%. 15% of the network are home miners, which would be the slowest to turn the equipment off. That said, i maintain that for the bull market to restart we need to at least halve the network size first as happened in late 2011. However, KnC just announced a new 20mw data center, which does not bode well for the immediate future. Only when some of these large scale miners go out of business, bull market will resume.

If Eligius (for example) decided to dump its reserves, that could cause a feedback loop of dumping that would put Bitcoin into a coma
sr. member
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Merit: 254
Nah, you just can't keep your bullshit straight.
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