Topic: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) - page 77. (Read 907212 times)

When hobbies go wrong...


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9451926

Beware: AFAIK, if you are in the US, the IRS wants you to pay income tax on what you mine (or receive from a pool).  I believe the equivalent is true in most other countries.

Hobby?

+1

I really miss these high quality bitcoin/monero/economics/filosofy post of yours, rpietila. Please come back!

Lol i see what you did here.. Funny. Still its not the same thing. mining is no work to pay taxes.. Its a hobby!

Bitcoiners buying ASICs to burn electricity to buy next gen ASICs to burn more electricity to buy next gen ASICs--would you classify them amongst the 10% or the 90?

In Rpietila's case I couldn't comment because I don't know how Estonia breaks down its tax spending, however using the following chart as a rough estimate (I know is only for the UK and also out of date) I would find it very hard to simply strike out a large portion of it and claim it wasn't needed: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/297810/Just-where-does-all-your-tax-go

However with that being said, I wouldn't say that the money was being spent as -efficiently- as possible in certain areas.

Great post!!
Please put more time into posts like this instead of your silly Monero game.

I am NOT providing any solution exactly or even making the claim that above you seem to be attributing to me.  All I am suggesting is that there are a lot of worthy services performed by community and government at various levels, and those services need money (and/or community contributions of individuals) in order to accomplish them.  In this regard, you were the one who seemed to be making the assertion that government serves NO role and taxes serve NO purpose.   Accordingly, if you want to make such assertions, then maybe you need to describe your vision with some better details, rather than merely arguing for the total abolition of such without any meaningful substitutes or transitions to take their place... unless you are ascribing the mass suffering of a multitude of people?






Certainly, I am NOT wanting to argue either - but I am just pointing out the absurdity of any statement that we need to abolish all taxes.  Those kinds of statements are frequently used by the very people who want to weaken and minimize government in order to exploit regular people in a variety of ways.






I have little knowledge of the teachings of Watchman Nee and/or whether those teachings apply to your comments regarding getting rid of taxes and by extension the services of government.

Yes, this is what people have always done. Tax = extortion, community pooling = sharing and caring 


I have quite resently realized that despite my full time efforts of several years, there is still more to learn about how the world works. So I have no time to argue. If you want to get it, you slowly do. Very slowly. (unless you are smarter than me). I will just share some inspirationals here; my ability to concentrate does not allow writing conscise works atm, also they would find very little audience.

Watchman Nee is perhaps the most important Christian in the 20th century. How many copies his collected works has sold?

I don't know, but when I bought mine, it was still in first edition, 5,000 printed.

I agree with you to the extent that you are asserting that there may be some disruptive and transformative aspects of crypto-currencies that cause major changes in societal make-up. 

However, your dreams of getting rid of all taxes and government is pure pie in the sky.  In that regard, you need to be a little more realistic in your considerations of the multi-tude of services that are performed through tax revenues and to incorporate this into your vision of the future.  Surely, these services may NOT need to be carried out in the same way as they currently are carried out; however, to suggest that there need NOT be any community pooling of money or that these services will be accomplished voluntarily seems sheer lunacy to me.

I might add. It is about power, not about money. The world is abundant with resources currently, it can be proven by observing that 90% of people in western countries do not do useful work, rather all they do is connected to generating money to pay taxes, and the taxes in turn pay the jobs that do not exist to produce anything, except more suffocating control and making it even more difficult for the minuscule minority to live and produce.

There is no need to collect taxes, if there was no need to enslave people in the system. When you pay taxes next time, remember that none of it (in general) is used in anything else but to enslave you even more with the system. If all taxes would be abolished, the people would do just fine. The production of useful goods would not suffer. Only all the jobs that only exist to systematize human life would disappear since no one would even consider paying for them from his own pocket.

No it was not always like this. This is the endgame. Most of the degradation has happened in the last 50 years, and the last 25 years have already brought great advances, but also shown the totality of the dystopy that the self-proclaimed "elite" will want to force on us. In my understanding, we are about to enter in the millennial kingdom, and the evil enslavement plans will suffer loss.

Personally what puzzles me the most, is how it's only so tiny percentage of people who get it. It's just sad to see them in the law courts judging me for non-compliance with the enslavement, and nothing at all they understand what is going on. Christians, at minimum, should realize that compliance with the enemy is not ok. And with adequate revelation, this does force some changes in your life (to the better, ofc )

I think it is better to focus on this question that the conspiracy that Bitcoin is a government tool for total domination.

their aims are all in your face (FATCA, etc.). The aim of the control grid is to milk every taxable cent from the peasants wherever they go (and the power of expropriating them just pressing a button). This for the masses. For higher levels knowing the dirty laundry of everyone makes them blackmailable.

The lack of evidence is just about btc. But if the state find a way to tame them, crypto could become dystopic.

phew, thanks guys. There I was thinking btctalk or at least this thread had gone insane. Just answering with "great post" and "yeah, they're 20 year in front of us and everyone ignoring my attempt to point out some of the more colorful fantasies (like the "greenaddres PRIMARY KEY derived from biometric data" story).

This is not to say all of coinits points are false or should be ignored, but his post doesn't deserved unreflected cheering like that. It contains extraordinary claims and no real evidence for most of them. The fact that conspirators carefully avoid leaving hard evidence doesn't make the claims true, either.

Anyway, glad to see not everyone has gone apeshit.

troll's cammer you say?

Please delete the quoted post from LittleLamb, he's a trollscammer.

as i said im a suspicious agnostic so i could never be sure its all true per say.
but it certainly feels like we arent the ones empowered (even with bitcoin) and that there are very dark forces (as in 'deep state' or 'intelligencia') behind all the mess around.
they have the knowledge, the networks, the power, the money, to keep on going until they reach their grail: Artificial Intelligence and Transhumanism.

Keep hoping, earthlings.  That's what gives you your prized flavor.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

TL;DR, but do you actually think the above is true?

I think they are the ones sadly trapped in their system that they did not design (originally), and that is taking them to hell (literally).

We at least have a chance!