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October 23, 2023, 01:16:35 PM
This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??


The main striking force near Avdeevka are former prisoners from the Storm Z assault detachments of the Ministry of Defense. Nobody asks them what they want, they are given an order and they carry it out. Ukraine's deployment of 31 and 47 mechanized brigades to defend Avdiivka indicates two things: the situation there for Ukraine is close to critical and the Ukrainian counter-offensive has truly ended.
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October 22, 2023, 05:09:23 PM

Again, Ukraine is not fighting alone, the mobilisation of Ukraine human resources is far for exhausted, Ukrainians are resisting Putler's Moscowian regime because they know there is no peace unless he is stopped drastically. There is not an option for "no fighting" if you want a country that you can call your own and in which you are actually a full rights citizen.

Since the beginning of Ruzzia's war of invasion Ukraine has been getting stronger an stronger. They have tank brigades that did not exist, fully modernised artillery units to the point that has exceeded Ruzzia's fire effectiveness, long range striking capability with Scalps/stormshadows, long range G2G capability with ATACAMS.



Really?

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1715798683675992559

Yes, Branko really, a tweet does not change any of that.

Meanwhile we are discussing, a few of the mili-bloggers are claiming that Ruzzis have taken the pile of waste north of Adviika, then claiming that Ukraine took it back, then again... I am starting to think that they may not have taken it in the first place. However, what I have seen is pictures of the area - hint = they are not a nice view for the Ruzzian war enthusiats (if there is anyone left).



This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??

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October 22, 2023, 04:16:30 PM

Again, Ukraine is not fighting alone, the mobilisation of Ukraine human resources is far for exhausted, Ukrainians are resisting Putler's Moscowian regime because they know there is no peace unless he is stopped drastically. There is not an option for "no fighting" if you want a country that you can call your own and in which you are actually a full rights citizen.

Since the beginning of Ruzzia's war of invasion Ukraine has been getting stronger an stronger. They have tank brigades that did not exist, fully modernised artillery units to the point that has exceeded Ruzzia's fire effectiveness, long range striking capability with Scalps/stormshadows, long range G2G capability with ATACAMS.



Really?

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1715798683675992559
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October 22, 2023, 01:33:39 PM
Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.
The United States cannot now pass a single bill due to the absence of the speaker of the lower house of Congress. It is the speaker of the lower house of Congress who puts laws on the agenda for consideration; in fact, he has the right of veto, like the president. After McCarthy's resignation, all legislative activity in the United States was paralyzed.

Fully incorrect. There is a temporary speaker https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67161430, the legislative process is not interrupted in any way and the funny thing is that since this guy is temporary, they cannot remove him as easily as an elected one.

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Mr Buck argued there is nothing preventing the Speaker pro tempore from performing normal legislative duties, like recognising members for motions to propose legislation. If Mr McHenry began to do that, he wrote, it would be up to House members to object or come up with an alternative plan.

Now, try again, but this time read some credible sources first.
You are lying, wishful thinking. The acting speaker of the lower house of the US Congress does not have the authority to introduce new bills for consideration; now the House of Representatives can only consider bills previously put forward for consideration and all legislative activity in the United States is paralyzed. Actually, the article at your link suggests one of the options for solving this problem - giving the acting speaker the necessary powers.

Just read the links and care to read the news from more than one source. do you really think that US support for Israel is going to be stopped by a technicality? Well, if that goes ahead, Ukraine help , debt ceiling, border security and many others go in the package.

I think that the lower house of the US Congress will not be able to consider Biden's proposed $100 billion aid bill for Ukraine and Israel until it elects a speaker who can introduce this bill for consideration. Because these are the rules of the House of Representatives of the US Congress, regardless of your ideas about what it should be like in an ideal fictional world.  Stop fantasizing and wishful thinking.
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October 22, 2023, 06:24:07 AM
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20205

English translation:

" If we compare the mobilization processes in Ukraine and the Russian Federation, they are strikingly different.

 If in Ukraine there is a mass exodus of men of military age using a number of corruption schemes to avoid going to the front or going abroad, then in the Russian Federation the army continues to grow at the expense of contract soldiers.  Thus, only since the beginning of 2023, 357 thousand people have been accepted into the Russian army.  Moreover, this number included not only those who were in the reserves and signed a contract, but also volunteers.
 In Ukraine, there are virtually no “volunteers” left—there are no queues at military registration and enlistment offices (as was the case in the first months of the military conflict).  Now military commissars are forcibly dragging people to the TCC - the mobilization resource in the country is almost exhausted, so the capture of almost every man of military age is more reminiscent of footage from an action-packed film.
 That is, the potential of Russia and Ukraine in military terms is simply not comparable, and the current situation with mobilization processes in the two countries suggests that Ukraine has no chance of surviving a resource war. "


It seems even Ukrainians (unlike paxmao) are starting to realize the truth

Again, Ukraine is not fighting alone, the mobilisation of Ukraine human resources is far for exhausted, Ukrainians are resisting Putler's Moscowian regime because they know there is no peace unless he is stopped drastically. There is not an option for "no fighting" if you want a country that you can call your own and in which you are actually a full rights citizen.

Since the beginning of Ruzzia's war of invasion Ukraine has been getting stronger an stronger. They have tank brigades that did not exist, fully modernised artillery units to the point that has exceeded Ruzzia's fire effectiveness, long range striking capability with Scalps/stormshadows, long range G2G capability with ATACAMS.

And this is only going to get worse for the Ruzzi (mostly from the territories, not really Ruzzis): along the next months Ukraine will get a decent airforce (F-16 and possibly  Gripen) and the suit of bad beast weapon that can be launch from these (e.g. meteor, HARM, amrams...).

I have to congratulate Putin for achieving this - from a barely armed state that posed no threat, to a porcupine with all the latest shit to throw to your human-wave attacks.

Now Branko, try again, but this time say something credible.

Speaking of credible, it seems that Kazaks being forcibly enlisted upon threat of deportation. Why Branko? do you think they do not share your uninformed optimism?

Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.
The United States cannot now pass a single bill due to the absence of the speaker of the lower house of Congress. It is the speaker of the lower house of Congress who puts laws on the agenda for consideration; in fact, he has the right of veto, like the president. After McCarthy's resignation, all legislative activity in the United States was paralyzed.

Fully incorrect. There is a temporary speaker https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67161430, the legislative process is not interrupted in any way and the funny thing is that since this guy is temporary, they cannot remove him as easily as an elected one.

Quote
Mr Buck argued there is nothing preventing the Speaker pro tempore from performing normal legislative duties, like recognising members for motions to propose legislation. If Mr McHenry began to do that, he wrote, it would be up to House members to object or come up with an alternative plan.

Now, try again, but this time read some credible sources first.
You are lying, wishful thinking. The acting speaker of the lower house of the US Congress does not have the authority to introduce new bills for consideration; now the House of Representatives can only consider bills previously put forward for consideration and all legislative activity in the United States is paralyzed. Actually, the article at your link suggests one of the options for solving this problem - giving the acting speaker the necessary powers.

Just read the links and care to read the news from more than one source. do you really think that US support for Israel is going to be stopped by a technicality? Well, if that goes ahead, Ukraine help , debt ceiling, border security and many others go in the package.
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October 21, 2023, 03:56:15 PM
Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.
The United States cannot now pass a single bill due to the absence of the speaker of the lower house of Congress. It is the speaker of the lower house of Congress who puts laws on the agenda for consideration; in fact, he has the right of veto, like the president. After McCarthy's resignation, all legislative activity in the United States was paralyzed.

Fully incorrect. There is a temporary speaker https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67161430, the legislative process is not interrupted in any way and the funny thing is that since this guy is temporary, they cannot remove him as easily as an elected one.

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Mr Buck argued there is nothing preventing the Speaker pro tempore from performing normal legislative duties, like recognising members for motions to propose legislation. If Mr McHenry began to do that, he wrote, it would be up to House members to object or come up with an alternative plan.

Now, try again, but this time read some credible sources first.
You are lying, wishful thinking. The acting speaker of the lower house of the US Congress does not have the authority to introduce new bills for consideration; now the House of Representatives can only consider bills previously put forward for consideration and all legislative activity in the United States is paralyzed. Actually, the article at your link suggests one of the options for solving this problem - giving the acting speaker the necessary powers.
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October 21, 2023, 02:02:02 PM
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20205

English translation:

" If we compare the mobilization processes in Ukraine and the Russian Federation, they are strikingly different.

 If in Ukraine there is a mass exodus of men of military age using a number of corruption schemes to avoid going to the front or going abroad, then in the Russian Federation the army continues to grow at the expense of contract soldiers.  Thus, only since the beginning of 2023, 357 thousand people have been accepted into the Russian army.  Moreover, this number included not only those who were in the reserves and signed a contract, but also volunteers.
 In Ukraine, there are virtually no “volunteers” left—there are no queues at military registration and enlistment offices (as was the case in the first months of the military conflict).  Now military commissars are forcibly dragging people to the TCC - the mobilization resource in the country is almost exhausted, so the capture of almost every man of military age is more reminiscent of footage from an action-packed film.
 That is, the potential of Russia and Ukraine in military terms is simply not comparable, and the current situation with mobilization processes in the two countries suggests that Ukraine has no chance of surviving a resource war. "


It seems even Ukrainians (unlike paxmao) are starting to realize the truth
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October 21, 2023, 01:22:05 PM
The USA is not bankrupt.

I'd like to remind you that this thread is not about US bankruptcy, but about Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Therefore, please, do not deviate from the theme of the topic. Thank you.
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October 21, 2023, 01:15:58 PM
Today I saw a official video released by the White House in which president Biden further stands for supporting both Ukraine and Israel, according to him not doing so would only undermine the security of the United States and their allies around the world, etc.
So he will send a proposal to the congress of the USA to send further economical support to both countries.. I am not sure if that support is to be seen in military equipment or money (credit); but this certainly gives us an idea of how long and how expensive these conflicts can be for the USA government and the average tax payer.

You can find the video on Youtube, there are already several political commentators talking about it.
If you have any thoughts on this and its timing, you are free to comment.

USA is bankrupt, and elites are fully aware of it. Only way out is something like WW3
so they don't really care adding few trillion to their debt, so $$$ printing machine is
busy 24/7

The USA is not bankrupt. The idea of the bankruptcy is a lie through ignorance of the facts, or through deceit of the same facts.

For example. Biden and Congress borrowed a bunch of money for Ukraine to use against Russia. But the banking system converted the promissory note into money. This means that the US prepaid its own loans. And it is like this with all loans in the US. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Tom+Schauf+bank+freedom&ia=web

If anything, payments that have already been made on loans of the past, are owed to the people and the government by the banking system. Why? Because the loans were prepaid by the promissory notes. So, it is the other way around. The banking system owes the people and the government a tremendous debt.

The major reason why the banking system is trying to go into cryptocurrencies of their own making is, to hide this borrowing fact under a big fat layer of mish-mash. There are other reasons, of course. But that's one of the big ones.

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October 21, 2023, 11:48:54 AM
Today I saw a official video released by the White House in which president Biden further stands for supporting both Ukraine and Israel, according to him not doing so would only undermine the security of the United States and their allies around the world, etc.
So he will send a proposal to the congress of the USA to send further economical support to both countries.. I am not sure if that support is to be seen in military equipment or money (credit); but this certainly gives us an idea of how long and how expensive these conflicts can be for the USA government and the average tax payer.

You can find the video on Youtube, there are already several political commentators talking about it.
If you have any thoughts on this and its timing, you are free to comment.

USA is bankrupt, and elites are fully aware of it. Only way out is something like WW3
so they don't really care adding few trillion to their debt, so $$$ printing machine is
busy 24/7
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October 21, 2023, 11:32:08 AM
Today I saw a official video released by the White House in which president Biden further stands for supporting both Ukraine and Israel, according to him not doing so would only undermine the security of the United States and their allies around the world, etc.
So he will send a proposal to the congress of the USA to send further economical support to both countries.. I am not sure if that support is to be seen in military equipment or money (credit); but this certainly gives us an idea of how long and how expensive these conflicts can be for the USA government and the average tax payer.

You can find the video on Youtube, there are already several political commentators talking about it.
If you have any thoughts on this and its timing, you are free to comment.
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October 21, 2023, 10:43:32 AM
Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.
The United States cannot now pass a single bill due to the absence of the speaker of the lower house of Congress. It is the speaker of the lower house of Congress who puts laws on the agenda for consideration; in fact, he has the right of veto, like the president. After McCarthy's resignation, all legislative activity in the United States was paralyzed.

Fully incorrect. There is a temporary speaker https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67161430, the legislative process is not interrupted in any way and the funny thing is that since this guy is temporary, they cannot remove him as easily as an elected one.

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Mr Buck argued there is nothing preventing the Speaker pro tempore from performing normal legislative duties, like recognising members for motions to propose legislation. If Mr McHenry began to do that, he wrote, it would be up to House members to object or come up with an alternative plan.

Now, try again, but this time read some credible sources first.

BTW, yesterday was the day of the war in which more Ruzzi-tanks were destroyed. There are so many pictures, video and geolocated evidence that mappers are still trying to process, but there seems to be more than 50 tanks lost in a day with no tactical gain to mention. This is along the 40 lost not two days ago and the now thousands of Ruzzis recycled into landfill along with them.

It seems that Ukraine has now taking the advantage in artillery, not just in precision, but now in shelling per day. The self-demilitarisation of Ruzzia is going well.

The world realizes and recognizes that the US is supporting Ukraine. Things that harm Russia from the US simply harden and expand the BRICS resolve. Even if the US backed out now, and Ukraine happened to more or less win the war on its own, BRICS will still be further fueled against the US by it. Ukraine and the US and Nato are done, even if they keep wiggling for a while, like a snake with its head cut off.

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October 21, 2023, 07:14:05 AM
Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.
The United States cannot now pass a single bill due to the absence of the speaker of the lower house of Congress. It is the speaker of the lower house of Congress who puts laws on the agenda for consideration; in fact, he has the right of veto, like the president. After McCarthy's resignation, all legislative activity in the United States was paralyzed.

Fully incorrect. There is a temporary speaker https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67161430, the legislative process is not interrupted in any way and the funny thing is that since this guy is temporary, they cannot remove him as easily as an elected one.

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Mr Buck argued there is nothing preventing the Speaker pro tempore from performing normal legislative duties, like recognising members for motions to propose legislation. If Mr McHenry began to do that, he wrote, it would be up to House members to object or come up with an alternative plan.

Now, try again, but this time read some credible sources first.

BTW, yesterday was the day of the war in which more Ruzzi-tanks were destroyed. There are so many pictures, video and geolocated evidence that mappers are still trying to process, but there seems to be more than 50 tanks lost in a day with no tactical gain to mention. This is along the 40 lost not two days ago and the now thousands of Ruzzis recycled into landfill along with them.

It seems that Ukraine has now taking the advantage in artillery, not just in precision, but now in shelling per day. The self-demilitarisation of Ruzzia is going well.
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October 21, 2023, 01:12:05 AM
Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.
The United States cannot now pass a single bill due to the absence of the speaker of the lower house of Congress. It is the speaker of the lower house of Congress who puts laws on the agenda for consideration; in fact, he has the right of veto, like the president. After McCarthy's resignation, all legislative activity in the United States was paralyzed.
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October 20, 2023, 04:17:04 PM
The US is pulling out of its backing of Ukraine. Let's hope it happens fast enough before BRICS takes root in the minds and hearts of the people of the world.


US Diverts Ammunition For Ukraine To Israel In Yet Another Blow To Zelensky


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Factually wrong information. Firstly, the US has a permanent stock of military supplies in Israel. The reason is that if a war with Iran, Siria, Egypt or others breaks out, it is difficult to send immediate support from across two seas to Israel. US simply has opened the gates and pass the bill.

Secondly, not only the aid is not diverted to Israel, the fact is that now many republicans are keen on sending aid to Israel, to which Biden has made an intelligent play: All needs to be passed in one law: aid to Ukraine, aid to Israel and debt ceiling. Reps want something, they are going to have to give something. We are talking of a huge 100 Billion package.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/biden-aid-israel-ukraine-taiwan-border.html

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The conflict in the Middle East has given President Biden a path to approving Ukraine aid that otherwise might have remained stalled.

https://time.com/6326304/biden-israel-ukraine-aid/

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WASHINGTON—The White House on Friday released a sweeping set of proposals to bolster Israel and Ukraine in the midst of two wars as well as invest more in domestic defense manufacturing, humanitarian assistance and managing the influx of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.]WASHINGTON—The White House on Friday released a sweeping set of proposals to bolster Israel and Ukraine in the midst of two wars as well as invest more in domestic defense manufacturing, humanitarian assistance and managing the influx of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.

See BA? This is what happens when you publish shit from propaganda sites - real life simply kicks you in the balls.
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October 20, 2023, 01:50:30 PM
The US is pulling out of its backing of Ukraine. Let's hope it happens fast enough before BRICS takes root in the minds and hearts of the people of the world.


US Diverts Ammunition For Ukraine To Israel In Yet Another Blow To Zelensky



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-diverts-ammunition-ukraine-israel-yet-another-blow-zelensky
"The Pentagon plans to send Israel tens of thousands of 155mm artillery shells that had been destined for Ukraine from U.S. emergency stocks several months ago, three Israeli officials with knowledge of the situation tell Axios," journalist Barak Ravid wrote.

These 155mm artillery shells, which Ukraine has been badly in need of given Russian artillery supplies have been steady and far superior, will be shipped "in the coming weeks" instead to Israel in order to fill the depleted emergency stocks the US keeps there.

Under a long-standing bilateral agreement, the Pentagon stores ammunition on Israeli soil. While it belongs to and is overseen by the US military, part of the agreement is that Israel's Armed Forces (IDF) can access it under US approval in a war scenario.
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October 20, 2023, 09:52:46 AM

There seems to be evidence of 9 helicopters lost in the ATACAMS strike. Ukraine used the "pack 1" with cluster munition, limited range, so it rained small bombs all over the airfield. There seem to be satellite confirmation. I have only seen OSINT, but it is speculated that some of the kills were K52 attack helicopters. This is quite a blow to one of the few strategies that the Ruzzis had left.

ATACAMS are nuisance for Russia for sure, and the loss of the helicopters is not totally trivial.  But it's also not particularly difficult to adapt to the new threat, and experiencing it in action is good data to feed into the development process.

More interesting is to see where the U.S. sets the ante.  These feeds into a calculus about what is 'fair' and what is out-of-bounds when it comes to supplying classes of weapons to proxy forces.  In proxy conflicts the more wide-spread opponent presents a much larger 'attack surface' and they have a natural dis-advantage for this reason.  And the U.S. has very far-flung bases for protecting their empire.

I don't recall the U.S. (through their proxies) using HIMARS or ATACAMS (or stormshadows) inside of the pre-2014 Russian boarders.  Probably the agreement is that comparable Russian equipment supplied to Russia's proxies will not be allowed to attack within formal United States boundaries either.  We'll just have to see how things progress, and who makes the mistake of handing modern weapons AND control over said weapons to nutso coke fiends and people of that ilk.



I do not think is a strategy that Ruzzian Army can adapt to. These choppers were as close to the frontline as possible because they need to act with speed and they need to have as much fuel as possible to hoover and move in the frontline. Now they will need to move very far away, so their capability is diminished no matter what "adaptation" they try. Similar, to a lesser extent, with planes.

To note, US did not officially confirmed the delivery, meaning that Ruzzia does not know either if the next week would be the 320 km range ones. Another strategic problem they cannot adapt to.

About what is fair... well, is a war between Ruzzia and Ukraine, so anything military in Ruzzia and the occupied territories is ok and ready to be blown, why not.

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October 19, 2023, 09:12:31 AM

There seems to be evidence of 9 helicopters lost in the ATACAMS strike. Ukraine used the "pack 1" with cluster munition, limited range, so it rained small bombs all over the airfield. There seem to be satellite confirmation. I have only seen OSINT, but it is speculated that some of the kills were K52 attack helicopters. This is quite a blow to one of the few strategies that the Ruzzis had left.

ATACAMS are nuisance for Russia for sure, and the loss of the helicopters is not totally trivial.  But it's also not particularly difficult to adapt to the new threat, and experiencing it in action is good data to feed into the development process.

More interesting is to see where the U.S. sets the ante.  These feeds into a calculus about what is 'fair' and what is out-of-bounds when it comes to supplying classes of weapons to proxy forces.  In proxy conflicts the more wide-spread opponent presents a much larger 'attack surface' and they have a natural dis-advantage for this reason.  And the U.S. has very far-flung bases for protecting their empire.

I don't recall the U.S. (through their proxies) using HIMARS or ATACAMS (or stormshadows) inside of the pre-2014 Russian boarders.  Probably the agreement is that comparable Russian equipment supplied to Russia's proxies will not be allowed to attack within formal United States boundaries either.  We'll just have to see how things progress, and who makes the mistake of handing modern weapons AND control over said weapons to nutso coke fiends and people of that ilk.

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October 19, 2023, 03:32:03 AM
Quite credible in my view. I recently posted that this capability was being requested because the Ukrainian army had already objectives in mind, that they could see and wanted to blow up.

It turns out that they have chosen wisely: military objectives (it would have been easy to "take revenge"), high value targets but, above all, those weapons platforms that Ruzzia was using to good effect and with minimal probabilities of getting hit back. Now Ruzzian planes will have to retreat further east, but also will the helicopters that require to be close to the front to be best use. The ATACAMS is "cheap enough" to be used for a plane or a helicopter, which Stormshadows were not.

This will be effective to further demilitarise Ruzzia but also I guess that now the Ruzzi pilots will be wondering what may happen right the moment they land back from a mission if the base in range of ATACAMS. It could be their last mission.
Yeah, it's much cheaper than Storm Shadow, but seems that Ukraine so far only got old version of ATACMS. On remains of missile it was visible that it was made in 1996. So, it means that range of it is 160 km and doesn't reach whole Donbas and Crimea. But Ukraine used it before it was officially announced that they got missiles, so, I think it's only matter of time when they will got newer modifications, maybe it's already delivered.

Edited: There seems to be a river crossing by Ukraine. Let's see how far it develops.
Something is really happening on left bank of Dnipro:
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1714438389200490952?s=20

There seems to be evidence of 9 helicopters lost in the ATACAMS strike. Ukraine used the "pack 1" with cluster munition, limited range, so it rained small bombs all over the airfield. There seem to be satellite confirmation. I have only seen OSINT, but it is speculated that some of the kills were K52 attack helicopters. This is quite a blow to one of the few strategies that the Ruzzis had left.
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October 18, 2023, 03:31:21 PM
Quite credible in my view. I recently posted that this capability was being requested because the Ukrainian army had already objectives in mind, that they could see and wanted to blow up.

It turns out that they have chosen wisely: military objectives (it would have been easy to "take revenge"), high value targets but, above all, those weapons platforms that Ruzzia was using to good effect and with minimal probabilities of getting hit back. Now Ruzzian planes will have to retreat further east, but also will the helicopters that require to be close to the front to be best use. The ATACAMS is "cheap enough" to be used for a plane or a helicopter, which Stormshadows were not.

This will be effective to further demilitarise Ruzzia but also I guess that now the Ruzzi pilots will be wondering what may happen right the moment they land back from a mission if the base in range of ATACAMS. It could be their last mission.
Yeah, it's much cheaper than Storm Shadow, but seems that Ukraine so far only got old version of ATACMS. On remains of missile it was visible that it was made in 1996. So, it means that range of it is 160 km and doesn't reach whole Donbas and Crimea. But Ukraine used it before it was officially announced that they got missiles, so, I think it's only matter of time when they will got newer modifications, maybe it's already delivered.

Edited: There seems to be a river crossing by Ukraine. Let's see how far it develops.
Something is really happening on left bank of Dnipro:
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1714438389200490952?s=20
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