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October 27, 2023, 02:19:41 PM

I am not anti-anyone I am pro-peace. Real durable peace, not agreements that are written knowing they will be broken.

I am not going to whatabout because your response is unrelated to the systematic tortures by Ruzzia as a estate, I will just say that if Israel declares something they are the ones having to explain why.  My view about that conflict is that peace happens when parties want peace - so simple that is always forgotten and anything else goes to another thread.

Now Branko, are you saying in your peculiar way that (pick one or many):

a) Ruzzia does not torture ever, UN reports are wrong.
b) Ruzzia does torture, but occassionally, not systematically.
c) Ruzzia tortures, but it is because all the rest torture so it is ok.
d) Ruzzia effective has the policy of torturing but only to get information.
e) Ruzzia effectively tortures as a policy of estate and because it is allowed in the ranks - e.g. raping a 75 year old that will not give you her fridge because she needs it.

Go on... whatabout, you do not have any real answer.



I am not pro-anyone, I'm pro peace.
All my posts are whatabout because its IMPERATIVE to use same standards for Russia as for Israel or USA or Croatia. Without that, all talk about democracy, freedom,
equality etc are void and nil.
You can't tell me that Croatian generals deserve 850 years of prison because of 1 (ONE!) artilery shell that hit civilian house which supposedly instilled fear
into their civilians and made them flee, and then allow Russia or Israel to use million shells on civilians, and then indict Putin, but not Netanyahu...or Bush or Obama before that
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October 27, 2023, 12:34:34 PM

Barbaric and disgusting.
To be honest, if these news coming out ocuppied territories about how local population is being treated by the invaders have truth in them, then indeed the Kremlin is behaving like a criminal organization for letting this continue to happen.
One thing is to invade a country without even declaring war and a causus belli, but a completely different situation is to try to take over a country and also do that to civilians. No wonder why The Kremlin allowed Hamas representatives into their country, they are more alike than we think.

Sad reality is that regarding war crimes everyone is more or less the sam, its just how media filters it out
I bet if for some reason USA stance would change, Ukrainians would suddenly become worst scum, fascists, rapists, whatever
Its emotional trap that you should avoid, its all about money for the elites, everything else is just for show

No it is not the same. The report speaks of systematic and widespread torture practices which are peculiar to the Ruzzian Army in the invasion of Ukraine. This is not a US report, this is a report by the UN of which Ruzzia is a member. This is not about any media filtering, if you want to open a thread about what US does feel free to do so, but here and now Ruzzia is torturing systematically and across many locations as a estate policy. That is inhuman and that is another reason why they need to be demilitarised.

Israel said UN reports are false and unreliable...are you antisemite maybe to question them?

I am not anti-anyone I am pro-peace. Real durable peace, not agreements that are written knowing they will be broken.

I am not going to whatabout because your response is unrelated to the systematic tortures by Ruzzia as a estate, I will just say that if Israel declares something they are the ones having to explain why.  My view about that conflict is that peace happens when parties want peace - so simple that is always forgotten and anything else goes to another thread.

Now Branko, are you saying in your peculiar way that (pick one or many):

a) Ruzzia does not torture ever, UN reports are wrong.
b) Ruzzia does torture, but occassionally, not systematically.
c) Ruzzia tortures, but it is because all the rest torture so it is ok.
d) Ruzzia effective has the policy of torturing but only to get information.
e) Ruzzia effectively tortures as a policy of estate and because it is allowed in the ranks - e.g. raping a 75 year old that will not give you her fridge because she needs it.

Go on... whatabout, you do not have any real answer.

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October 27, 2023, 08:52:07 AM

Barbaric and disgusting.
To be honest, if these news coming out ocuppied territories about how local population is being treated by the invaders have truth in them, then indeed the Kremlin is behaving like a criminal organization for letting this continue to happen.
One thing is to invade a country without even declaring war and a causus belli, but a completely different situation is to try to take over a country and also do that to civilians. No wonder why The Kremlin allowed Hamas representatives into their country, they are more alike than we think.

Sad reality is that regarding war crimes everyone is more or less the sam, its just how media filters it out
I bet if for some reason USA stance would change, Ukrainians would suddenly become worst scum, fascists, rapists, whatever
Its emotional trap that you should avoid, its all about money for the elites, everything else is just for show

No it is not the same. The report speaks of systematic and widespread torture practices which are peculiar to the Ruzzian Army in the invasion of Ukraine. This is not a US report, this is a report by the UN of which Ruzzia is a member. This is not about any media filtering, if you want to open a thread about what US does feel free to do so, but here and now Ruzzia is torturing systematically and across many locations as a estate policy. That is inhuman and that is another reason why they need to be demilitarised.

Israel said UN reports are false and unreliable...are you antisemite maybe to question them?
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October 27, 2023, 07:34:56 AM

Barbaric and disgusting.
To be honest, if these news coming out ocuppied territories about how local population is being treated by the invaders have truth in them, then indeed the Kremlin is behaving like a criminal organization for letting this continue to happen.
One thing is to invade a country without even declaring war and a causus belli, but a completely different situation is to try to take over a country and also do that to civilians. No wonder why The Kremlin allowed Hamas representatives into their country, they are more alike than we think.

Sad reality is that regarding war crimes everyone is more or less the sam, its just how media filters it out
I bet if for some reason USA stance would change, Ukrainians would suddenly become worst scum, fascists, rapists, whatever
Its emotional trap that you should avoid, its all about money for the elites, everything else is just for show

No it is not the same. The report speaks of systematic and widespread torture practices which are peculiar to the Ruzzian Army in the invasion of Ukraine. This is not a US report, this is a report by the UN of which Ruzzia is a member. This is not about any media filtering, if you want to open a thread about what US does feel free to do so, but here and now Ruzzia is torturing systematically and across many locations as a estate policy. That is inhuman and that is another reason why they need to be demilitarised.
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October 27, 2023, 07:25:53 AM

Barbaric and disgusting.
To be honest, if these news coming out ocuppied territories about how local population is being treated by the invaders have truth in them, then indeed the Kremlin is behaving like a criminal organization for letting this continue to happen.
One thing is to invade a country without even declaring war and a causus belli, but a completely different situation is to try to take over a country and also do that to civilians. No wonder why The Kremlin allowed Hamas representatives into their country, they are more alike than we think.

Sad reality is that regarding war crimes everyone is more or less the sam, its just how media filters it out
I bet if for some reason USA stance would change, Ukrainians would suddenly become worst scum, fascists, rapists, whatever
Its emotional trap that you should avoid, its all about money for the elites, everything else is just for show
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October 27, 2023, 05:19:34 AM
Is it just me or the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been pushed to one side by the news we all received from Israel and within the United States (about the prosecution of Trump and his codefendants).
I have not see a single news about the conflict in several days appearing on my social media accounts, I am not even sure whether the Ukrainian forces have been able to keep the Russian troops at bay and away from Kiev.
Keeping in mind that obviously most of the western media is in favor of Ukraine, I fear there is a suppression of information, because there has not been good news to share...

The UN however has not pushed much outside, they recently published a report on the situation in the occupied territories. And people still speak of reaching a peace or getting Ukraine to accept an invasion. This is not an ONG report, these comes from UN Commissioners.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142617

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In one instance, a 75-year-old woman who stayed alone to protect her property, was raped and tortured by a Russian soldier who hit her on the face, chest, and ribs, and strangled her, while interrogating her.

Yes, you have read correctly, a 75 year old woman raped. That's orc behaviour at its worst.

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New evidence, same torture pattern - Their investigations also confirmed previous findings that Russian authorities used torture in a widespread and systematic way in various types of detention facilities.

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The Commissioners investigated further accounts of Ukrainian children being transferred to Russia or to Russian-occupied areas in Ukraine. They concluded that the transfer of 31 children to Russia in May 2022 was an unlawful deportation, thus a war crime.

This is why Ukraine must stop Putin and the "Eastern culture" of the Ruzzian Army.

Barbaric and disgusting.
To be honest, if these news coming out ocuppied territories about how local population is being treated by the invaders have truth in them, then indeed the Kremlin is behaving like a criminal organization for letting this continue to happen.
One thing is to invade a country without even declaring war and a causus belli, but a completely different situation is to try to take over a country and also do that to civilians. No wonder why The Kremlin allowed Hamas representatives into their country, they are more alike than we think.
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October 27, 2023, 04:37:54 AM
LOL, since when Arestovich become credible source. IIRC, in past Russians were laughing from his future predictions. But now when he said something what Russia want to hear, it's already ok to quote him.
I'm wondering, from all things that he said, what % turned into reality. And he said a lot of things...

In 2019 he said that Russia will attack Ukraine in 2022

https://youtu.be/1xNHmHpERH8

This is why Ukraine must stop Putin and the "Eastern culture" of the Ruzzian Army.

Then why accept "Western culture" since USA/UK/Germany did much worse atrocities


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October 27, 2023, 04:32:01 AM
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"Israel is a separate matter – we are going to bring forward a standalone Israel funding measure (of) over $14 billion,” Johnson said in the interview. He said House Republicans will look for other areas to cut in the budget in order to finance the funding for Israel.
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Yes, nothing new, Biden supports the effort in Ukraine and has good reasons to it. There is nothing indicating that democrats are reconsidering and we already knew Republicans are divided.

There are discussions going on. On the "separate matter", nothing is "separate" in politics.

The amphibious operations in the Kherson region are ongoing, there has been even a report of Ruzzian bombing near Oleshky, which is well inside the west bank of the river.

Three S-400 seem to have been destroyed by an ATACAMS, so yes, S-400 is very effective destroying ATACAMS once the missile reaches them. BTW this is a Ruzzian report it seems https://gagadget.com/en/342105-us-atacms-missiles-could-destroy-three-launchers-of-the-125-billion-s-400-air-defence-system/.

Judging from previous Ukrainian attacks this is not casual, there is an intent to clear the threats before the F-16 arrive or there is an intent to launch Stormshadows or more attacks in the area,...





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October 26, 2023, 07:04:41 PM
Dismal counteroffensive results undercut the message to support Ukraine so it can win Russia on the battlefield. Israel bombardments undercut the message to support Ukraine on the humanitarian grounds, and now we're getting to the final stage, support Ukraine because it's...profitable for us!

The White House is losing the messaging war on Ukraine. Now it’s changing the message.

The president’s team is privately urging lawmakers to focus on the jobs that can be created by money spent on the war.

The White House has been quietly urging lawmakers in both parties to sell the war efforts abroad as a potential economic boom at home.

Aides have been distributing talking points to Democrats and Republicans who have been supportive of continued efforts to fund Ukraine’s resistance to make the case that doing so is good for American jobs, according to five White House aides and lawmakers familiar with the effort and granted anonymity to speak freely.
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“This supplemental request invests over $50 billion in the American defense industrial base — ensuring our military continues to be the most ready, capable, and best equipped fighting force the world has ever seen — and expanding production lines, strengthening the American economy and creating new American jobs,” the document states.
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No Americans are getting killed in Ukraine. We’re rebuilding our industrial base. The Ukrainians are destroying the army of one of our biggest rivals. I have a hard time finding anything wrong with that. I think it’s wonderful that they’re defending themselves,” he said on CBS’s Face the Nation.
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On top of communication with McConnell, Defense Department officials have also circulated to the Hill slides showing nearly $20 billion in investment in the industrial base via U.S. support for Ukraine. That includes nearly $3.1 billion in contracts targeted toward expanding the nation’s industrial base capacity, including increasing artillery production approximately six-fold over three years.
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But White House aides have also argued that the war was hitting Americans in their wallets. They blamed the conflict for surging costs, particularly gas prices — though its “Putin’s price hike” moniker didn’t catch on — and warned that economic woes would grow if Ukraine fell.

Now, the tenor of the economic push has changed, with White House aides enlisting lawmakers to make a more positive case.
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“Equipment that defends America and is made in America. Patriot missiles for air defense batteries, made in Arizona. Artillery shells manufactured in 12 states across the country, in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Texas. And so much more,” he said. “You know, just as in World War II, today patriotic American workers are building the arsenal of democracy and serving the cause of freedom.”

The change in sales pitch comes as polls show that Americans are growing more skeptical of the effort to help Ukraine — and continue to question Biden’s handling of the economy.

Well, at least he's brutally honest about it Undecided We need to sacrifice Ukrainian gene pool for US military industrial complex. Wiping out competition in EU is just a bonus on top of that. See no downside at all. But people seem to realize that there's no free lunch, and that paying half the people to dig holes and the other half to cover them up besides jobs also creates inflation. Not a fan of Trump but at this point, with Trump's supporter as the House speaker, it be impossible for orange man not to win.

In other news:

 
Pentagon warns about China’s growing long-range missile arsenal in major report
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China is rapidly modernizing its military and using it as a means of projecting power across the Pacific region and ultimately around the globe, improving its ability to operate in all the domains of warfare, including the traditional land, air and sea, as well as nuclear, cyber and space.
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As part of the latest National Defense Strategy, the US has pointed to China as the “pacing challenge,” capable of competing with America in terms of its military might, economic power and international reach. Beijing already possesses a standing army of more than one million soldiers, the largest navy in the world by number of ships and the largest air force in the region.
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 Chinese military pilots have ramped up their “coercive and risky” behavior against US aircraft flying over the East and South China in the last two years. In total, there have been more than 180 such incidents, including some in which the Chinese jets came to within 20 feet of US military aircraft.
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 US defense officials are still frustrated by China’s unwillingness to engage in high-level military-to-military channels, but a defense official said on Wednesday that some communication continues at the working level.

Yes yes Ukraine is really close to taking all its land back and about to send its troops to take Moscow...soon...believe

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And some more news. A blind would see a trend here
Newly elected U.S. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said on Thursday that funding to support Ukraine and Israel should be handled separately, suggesting he will not back President Joe Biden's $106 billion aid package for both countries.
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Johnson said of Ukraine funding: "We want to know what the object is there, what is the end game in Ukraine.

"The White House has not provided that," he added.

Biden is betting that including money for Israel and immigration will help convince House Republicans wary of sending additional money to Ukraine to support the measure.

"Israel is a separate matter – we are going to bring forward a standalone Israel funding measure (of) over $14 billion,” Johnson said in the interview. He said House Republicans will look for other areas to cut in the budget in order to finance the funding for Israel.
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October 26, 2023, 04:47:14 PM
Is it just me or the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been pushed to one side by the news we all received from Israel and within the United States (about the prosecution of Trump and his codefendants).
I have not see a single news about the conflict in several days appearing on my social media accounts, I am not even sure whether the Ukrainian forces have been able to keep the Russian troops at bay and away from Kiev.
Keeping in mind that obviously most of the western media is in favor of Ukraine, I fear there is a suppression of information, because there has not been good news to share...

The UN however has not pushed much outside, they recently published a report on the situation in the occupied territories. And people still speak of reaching a peace or getting Ukraine to accept an invasion. This is not an ONG report, these comes from UN Commissioners.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142617

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In one instance, a 75-year-old woman who stayed alone to protect her property, was raped and tortured by a Russian soldier who hit her on the face, chest, and ribs, and strangled her, while interrogating her.

Yes, you have read correctly, a 75 year old woman raped. That's orc behaviour at its worst.

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New evidence, same torture pattern - Their investigations also confirmed previous findings that Russian authorities used torture in a widespread and systematic way in various types of detention facilities.

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The Commissioners investigated further accounts of Ukrainian children being transferred to Russia or to Russian-occupied areas in Ukraine. They concluded that the transfer of 31 children to Russia in May 2022 was an unlawful deportation, thus a war crime.

This is why Ukraine must stop Putin and the "Eastern culture" of the Ruzzian Army.
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October 26, 2023, 01:20:05 PM
Is it just me or the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been pushed to one side by the news we all received from Israel and within the United States (about the prosecution of Trump and his codefendants).
I have not see a single news about the conflict in several days appearing on my social media accounts, I am not even sure whether the Ukrainian forces have been able to keep the Russian troops at bay and away from Kiev.
Keeping in mind that obviously most of the western media is in favor of Ukraine, I fear there is a suppression of information, because there has not been good news to share...

Word is that 'leadership' of Ukraine is going to throw all-in at Avdivka which is already basically a cauldron with pretty much zero chance of holding.  Losses will probably be North of 50k, and more if they really do fight to the last man and few of the soldiers can save their skins by surrendering.  Yet one more piece of evidence that the whole thing is about depopulating the country to make room for another group.  The Ashkanazi population of current-day Israel perhaps?  The hints from some of the Rabbis about this are getting more numerous.

Avdivka was funny as the starting point of where Ukraine was planning to genocide the breakaways, and they started to do so a few days before Russia launched the SMO.  What was amusing is that you could really sense that Ukraine's posture was that the SMO was a minor set-back and the genocide was still a go.  For many many months!  It screwed up some of their early troop and material operations big-time.  Sometimes really bad ideas/fantasies can linger on loooong past when they are feasible.

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October 26, 2023, 11:41:39 AM
Is it just me or the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been pushed to one side by the news we all received from Israel and within the United States (about the prosecution of Trump and his codefendants).
I have not see a single news about the conflict in several days appearing on my social media accounts, I am not even sure whether the Ukrainian forces have been able to keep the Russian troops at bay and away from Kiev.
Keeping in mind that obviously most of the western media is in favor of Ukraine, I fear there is a suppression of information, because there has not been good news to share...
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October 26, 2023, 10:33:16 AM
LOL, since when Arestovich become credible source. IIRC, in past Russians were laughing from his future predictions. But now when he said something what Russia want to hear, it's already ok to quote him.
I'm wondering, from all things that he said, what % turned into reality. And he said a lot of things...
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October 26, 2023, 08:27:46 AM

A few more of this "successes" and there will be no army left to celebrate the great "victory". There is a price to pay for advancing - which by the way has not been consolidated nor is something that could be called a "success" - when that price is as high as what is being grinded now in the east front, it is simply not worth it. It is a a good way of "self-demilitarisation".

In the end you may say that Ruzzi soldiers are expendable and do not matter, you just send in more. But that logic failed in WW I and is likely to fail against modern means of destruction which chop meat at speed - no matter if 10, 100 or 1000, it just grind whatever is thrown at it.

Really?

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-avdiivka-donetsk-1837675
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October 24, 2023, 06:19:36 PM
This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??
The main striking force near Avdeevka are former prisoners from the Storm Z assault detachments of the Ministry of Defense. Nobody asks them what they want, they are given an order and they carry it out. Ukraine's deployment of 31 and 47 mechanized brigades to defend Avdiivka indicates two things: the situation there for Ukraine is close to critical and the Ukrainian counter-offensive has truly ended.

In that we can agree: many of the individuals in the units are given orders that are simply obscene - there is no way to carry them out, it is simple suicide. It is normal in any army to follow orders - that's how armies work in general - the difference is what orders are being given, what are the chances of success and how risky the operation is. The incompetence of the leaders is shown in the type of orders given.

BTW it seems that from WW II tactics, now Ruzzia has passed to WW I meat attacks tactics and lately to Medieval siege techniques by digging tunnels under fortifications. What is next? Using swords?
Russia uses the tactics that work and bring success. The situation in Avdiivka now is in many ways similar to the situation in Bakhmut, and it will end in much the same way. Ukraine tried to adopt this tactic of meat assaults in the summer during its counter-offensive in the Zaporozhye direction, but failed because it did not have all the components necessary for success.

A few more of this "successes" and there will be no army left to celebrate the great "victory". There is a price to pay for advancing - which by the way has not been consolidated nor is something that could be called a "success" - when that price is as high as what is being grinded now in the east front, it is simply not worth it. It is a a good way of "self-demilitarisation".

In the end you may say that Ruzzi soldiers are expendable and do not matter, you just send in more. But that logic failed in WW I and is likely to fail against modern means of destruction which chop meat at speed - no matter if 10, 100 or 1000, it just grind whatever is thrown at it.
We'll see. You are in vain to draw parallels with the First World War; now the stormtroopers of the Storm Z detachments have powerful support in the form of airstrikes with gliding bombs, FPV-drones and air-guided artillery. I think Avdiivka will be taken by the end of this year and this will be another crushing blow to the morale of Ukraine, following Mariupol and Bakhmut.

ps The Russian flag over the Avdeevsky Terrycon.

I can see the flag, it was there for a while, not that long while.  However what I do not see is any of your proud "stormZZZ" convicts posing near the flag. I wonder why? Maybe the situation is not as in control as it looks?

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1716873941166534768

Oh, well, you need to buy a new flagpole.

I am not sure if Avdiivka will or will not be taken, but if the "morale blow" is like the one in Bakhmut, it seems that we are going to have another year of war. Or two... or three... and maybe the general responsible will have a "plane accident" after taking the place.
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October 24, 2023, 09:27:48 AM
This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??
The main striking force near Avdeevka are former prisoners from the Storm Z assault detachments of the Ministry of Defense. Nobody asks them what they want, they are given an order and they carry it out. Ukraine's deployment of 31 and 47 mechanized brigades to defend Avdiivka indicates two things: the situation there for Ukraine is close to critical and the Ukrainian counter-offensive has truly ended.

In that we can agree: many of the individuals in the units are given orders that are simply obscene - there is no way to carry them out, it is simple suicide. It is normal in any army to follow orders - that's how armies work in general - the difference is what orders are being given, what are the chances of success and how risky the operation is. The incompetence of the leaders is shown in the type of orders given.

BTW it seems that from WW II tactics, now Ruzzia has passed to WW I meat attacks tactics and lately to Medieval siege techniques by digging tunnels under fortifications. What is next? Using swords?
Russia uses the tactics that work and bring success. The situation in Avdiivka now is in many ways similar to the situation in Bakhmut, and it will end in much the same way. Ukraine tried to adopt this tactic of meat assaults in the summer during its counter-offensive in the Zaporozhye direction, but failed because it did not have all the components necessary for success.

A few more of this "successes" and there will be no army left to celebrate the great "victory". There is a price to pay for advancing - which by the way has not been consolidated nor is something that could be called a "success" - when that price is as high as what is being grinded now in the east front, it is simply not worth it. It is a a good way of "self-demilitarisation".

In the end you may say that Ruzzi soldiers are expendable and do not matter, you just send in more. But that logic failed in WW I and is likely to fail against modern means of destruction which chop meat at speed - no matter if 10, 100 or 1000, it just grind whatever is thrown at it.
We'll see. You are in vain to draw parallels with the First World War; now the stormtroopers of the Storm Z detachments have powerful support in the form of airstrikes with gliding bombs, FPV-drones and air-guided artillery. I think Avdiivka will be taken by the end of this year and this will be another crushing blow to the morale of Ukraine, following Mariupol and Bakhmut.

ps The Russian flag over the Avdeevsky Terrycon.
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October 24, 2023, 05:21:06 AM
This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??
The main striking force near Avdeevka are former prisoners from the Storm Z assault detachments of the Ministry of Defense. Nobody asks them what they want, they are given an order and they carry it out. Ukraine's deployment of 31 and 47 mechanized brigades to defend Avdiivka indicates two things: the situation there for Ukraine is close to critical and the Ukrainian counter-offensive has truly ended.

In that we can agree: many of the individuals in the units are given orders that are simply obscene - there is no way to carry them out, it is simple suicide. It is normal in any army to follow orders - that's how armies work in general - the difference is what orders are being given, what are the chances of success and how risky the operation is. The incompetence of the leaders is shown in the type of orders given.

BTW it seems that from WW II tactics, now Ruzzia has passed to WW I meat attacks tactics and lately to Medieval siege techniques by digging tunnels under fortifications. What is next? Using swords?
Russia uses the tactics that work and bring success. The situation in Avdiivka now is in many ways similar to the situation in Bakhmut, and it will end in much the same way. Ukraine tried to adopt this tactic of meat assaults in the summer during its counter-offensive in the Zaporozhye direction, but failed because it did not have all the components necessary for success.

A few more of this "successes" and there will be no army left to celebrate the great "victory". There is a price to pay for advancing - which by the way has not been consolidated nor is something that could be called a "success" - when that price is as high as what is being grinded now in the east front, it is simply not worth it. It is a a good way of "self-demilitarisation".

In the end you may say that Ruzzi soldiers are expendable and do not matter, you just send in more. But that logic failed in WW I and is likely to fail against modern means of destruction which chop meat at speed - no matter if 10, 100 or 1000, it just grind whatever is thrown at it.
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October 24, 2023, 04:14:50 AM
This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??
The main striking force near Avdeevka are former prisoners from the Storm Z assault detachments of the Ministry of Defense. Nobody asks them what they want, they are given an order and they carry it out. Ukraine's deployment of 31 and 47 mechanized brigades to defend Avdiivka indicates two things: the situation there for Ukraine is close to critical and the Ukrainian counter-offensive has truly ended.

In that we can agree: many of the individuals in the units are given orders that are simply obscene - there is no way to carry them out, it is simple suicide. It is normal in any army to follow orders - that's how armies work in general - the difference is what orders are being given, what are the chances of success and how risky the operation is. The incompetence of the leaders is shown in the type of orders given.

BTW it seems that from WW II tactics, now Ruzzia has passed to WW I meat attacks tactics and lately to Medieval siege techniques by digging tunnels under fortifications. What is next? Using swords?
Russia uses the tactics that work and bring success. The situation in Avdiivka now is in many ways similar to the situation in Bakhmut, and it will end in much the same way. Ukraine tried to adopt this tactic of meat assaults in the summer during its counter-offensive in the Zaporozhye direction, but failed because it did not have all the components necessary for success.
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October 23, 2023, 10:17:37 PM

Again, Ukraine is not fighting alone, the mobilisation of Ukraine human resources is far for exhausted, Ukrainians are resisting Putler's Moscowian regime because they know there is no peace unless he is stopped drastically. There is not an option for "no fighting" if you want a country that you can call your own and in which you are actually a full rights citizen.

Since the beginning of Ruzzia's war of invasion Ukraine has been getting stronger an stronger. They have tank brigades that did not exist, fully modernised artillery units to the point that has exceeded Ruzzia's fire effectiveness, long range striking capability with Scalps/stormshadows, long range G2G capability with ATACAMS.



Really?

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1715798683675992559

Really?

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October 23, 2023, 06:01:28 PM
This is what the Ruzzies see when near the Terrycon. Anyone fancy going with them on a "storming operation"??


The main striking force near Avdeevka are former prisoners from the Storm Z assault detachments of the Ministry of Defense. Nobody asks them what they want, they are given an order and they carry it out. Ukraine's deployment of 31 and 47 mechanized brigades to defend Avdiivka indicates two things: the situation there for Ukraine is close to critical and the Ukrainian counter-offensive has truly ended.

In that we can agree: many of the individuals in the units are given orders that are simply obscene - there is no way to carry them out, it is simple suicide. It is normal in any army to follow orders - that's how armies work in general - the difference is what orders are being given, what are the chances of success and how risky the operation is. The incompetence of the leaders is shown in the type of orders given.

BTW it seems that from WW II tactics, now Ruzzia has passed to WW I meat attacks tactics and lately to Medieval siege techniques by digging tunnels under fortifications. What is next? Using swords?
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