Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 104. (Read 73618 times)

No, we're not entangled on quantum level or on any other level for that matter. This as an attempt to rearrange a world order, and Ukrainians are just being used as a pawns. Somehow propaganda managed to convince Ukrainians that it's their job to die for the west, while ironically expecting Ukraine to be thankful for any scraps of weapons that west provides them while making sure that this weapon doesn't escalate the situation. Ukrainians are being fed hopium of this David vs Goliath fight where this miracle next weapon will surely help them win (but somehow won't escalate the situation), all they have to do is just now to send women and younger soldiers to the front lines. Truth of the matter is no one ever expected Ukraine to win, it's just needed to do maximum damage to Russia and no one is really concerned with the collateral damage in Ukraine. And these people that keep feeding hopium to Ukrainians, to keep them throwing their lives away, are complicit in this, they are not doing Ukrainians any favors and just prolonging the conflict as we watch more and more graveyards being dug up. It's just too easy to manipulate the masses. That's why i don't engage in these silly daily events of who took this meter of land today, but trying to show the overall trends.

So you are trying to correct my positive spin by putting a negative spin on everything? If you are counting on any kind of opposite poles attraction, I here and now shall discourage you in full - it is not BAdeker's Gods will. Now, after now being accused of being xenofobic towards sub-atomic particles with spins other than mine, back to serious topics in my next update.

Yes yes, we all realize that there are no absolutes, and instead of even attempting to be objective your whole purpose seems to be to put a positive spin on everything, totally disregarding the other 99% effects of the event and how ridiculous that makes you sound.

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PS: And look up definition of whataboutism before using it

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Regarding Israel 'unlikely to need much "resources"'


Oh yes, what great news for Ukraine   see how silly you sounded, didn't even take a day.

Are you aware that there have been attacks and counterattacks in the area for the last 16 months? There is no combat inside the city itself, the artillery has been there for quite a while and Ukrainians are pressing on the north and south to avoid direct urban conflict.

So far, HIMARS + drones are being extremely effective in dealing with Ruzzian artillery... nearly 25 pieces a day, and some of them are not Soviet era shit.

BTW I recently read that Abrams tanks are already in Ukraine. Still in time for the summer "party" -  all Ruzzian T-55. T-60, T-72, T-80 and T-90 are invited. It seems that the fabulous Armata has declined the invitation for technical reasons.

Riiiight, when I do not have an argument I just whattabout and call stuff "a narrative", when you actually are delivering mostly narrative. The fact is that what I have said remains: GOP does have links to Israel, Iran is an ally of Ruzzia and this may actually be helpful for these Republicans and for the general public of the US who do not really know where Ukraine is in a map, but they have heard plenty about Iran.

So just a question of making sure they add 2 plus 2 and notice that they, personally, are in danger from this coalition. There are axis forming and Iran is with Ruzzia.

If China attacked Taiwan we would be closer to WW III, so negative for the entire population of the world, who likely would suffer very acute effects.

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In addition, the United States government will be rapidly providing the Israel Defense Forces with additional equipment and resources, including munitions. The first security assistance will begin moving today and arriving in the coming days.

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Fierce battles are underway in Bakhmut.

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Using my logic, you are an ally - Ukraine did not attack Ruzzia, however the point stays: you have said Hamas is not a proxy for Iran, but it clearly seems to be.

The Ukrainian conflict is much more straightforward than the Israeli - Palestinian conflict, which is something that has not been resolved in... 70 years now?. The growth model of the current Ruzzia is grabbing natural resources - they have nothing else to offer to the world (well, also overhyped arms that rarely deliver to their claims) - they will permanently be involved in anyplace where they can "grab".

And if some country provide you with 120 BILLION, using your logic, what are you to them?

Friends, I would like to remind you that this is a topic about Russia's invasion of Ukraine. For discussion of events in Israel and everything related to it, there are specialized topics. Thanks.

Sure, you just get $70M (which is likely to be a gross understatement) but you are not a proxy.

Riiiight, I'm sure Zelenskyy is very happy that the world has another war to occupy front pages and attention of already war fatigued world audience. What's next from your "whatever happens is good for Ukraine because..." narrative, how great would it be for Ukraine if China attacked Taiwan now? Then all of those Republicans would surely forget about their home audience and Trump would personally send more money to Ukraine? No, what be good for Ukraine if it's just a one day event, everything calms down and everyone could forget about Israel in a week, so Zelenskyy can get his news coverage back, Israel wont require more funds, worlds eye ball time, Ukraine's lobby in US won't have to compete with Israel's lobby, and Ukraine won't be covered as that "old" war.

No, Hezbollah is Iran proxy, not Hamas.
Iran is Shiite, Hezbollah is Shiite, Hamas is Sunni...without Israel in picture, they actually hate each other

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Iran Funded Hamas Missiles With $70 Million, Haniyeh Says
Monday, 01/03/2022
Middle East - Persian Gulf
Iran
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh has revealed that the Iran paid a total of $70 million to the Palestinian group to help it develop missiles and defense systems.

During an interview with Al-Jazeera Haniyeh said different countries help in financing the group, but Iran is the biggest donor.
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He said that Hamas is not fighting a proxy war for Iran, stressing they are in it together against “the common Israeli enemy.”

My appraisal of where is this going is that Iran has done a favour to Ukraine. If there were some GOP members playing with the idea of reducing the support to Ukraine, they may be quite convinced now that "playing soft" gets their Israeli brothers killed (Hamas is an Iran proxy). Israel is unlikely to need much "resources" other than their usual sources - the Jewish community of US, UK,...

My appraisal of where is this going is that Iran has done a favour to Ukraine. If there were some GOP members playing with the idea of reducing the support to Ukraine, they may be quite convinced now that "playing soft" gets their Israeli brothers killed (Hamas is an Iran proxy). Israel is unlikely to need much "resources" other than their usual sources - the Jewish community of US, UK,...

My appraisal of where is this going is that Iran has done a favour to Ukraine. If there were some GOP members playing with the idea of reducing the support to Ukraine, they may be quite convinced now that "playing soft" gets their Israeli brothers killed (Hamas is an Iran proxy). Israel is unlikely to need much "resources" other than their usual sources - the Jewish community of US, UK,...

Some of the latest news coverage. Is there anyone left who still doesn't see where all of this is going?

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And now Israel will be competing for resources, funds, intel satellite time etc... Politicians will act surprised and will be convincing people that no one could've possibly predicted such outcome, blame games will ensure, and everything will be done to prevent Ukrainians from even questioning any of this

Ukraine is ‘freaking out’ as McCarthy chaos threatens US aid

After the ousting of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, there is concern in Kyiv that Ukraine has become a tool of US domestic politics.

In Kyiv, officials are at a loss as to what might happen next. Their staunchest military ally suddenly looks unreliable, despite assurances from President Biden and others the U.S. will remain steadfast until Ukraine’s invaders are defeated.
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“We are freaking out. For us it is a disaster,” said Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, a senior Ukrainian MP who chairs the committee on the country’s integration with the European Union.
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However, now that McCarthy is out, all future U.S. funding for Kyiv is in limbo. It is not clear when a new speaker will be chosen and without one, the American law making machine is stalled.
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“Well, that’s a setup,” one Ukrainian MP told POLITICO.

“Honestly, we are watching for now,” said one Ukrainian government official, who asked not to be identified while discussing sensitive matters.

Ukrainian officials typically avoid expressing public criticism of partners so as not to seem ungrateful. But this week some have expressed shock.

“There is nothing good, but, objectively, we have simply become hostages of their internal politics,” said Ukrainian lawmaker Yaroslav Zheleznyak, first deputy chairman of the parliament committee on finance, after the emergency U.S. budget deal was announced.

Britain has ‘run out of arms to send to Ukraine’
We’ve given away all we can afford and other countries should step in, says senior military chief
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The Western alliance has suffered a series of blows in recent days, with support for Ukraine dropped from a US stop-gap budget bill, election success for a pro-Russian party in Slovakia and rows between Poland and Kyiv over grain supplies.
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Last night a senior military source told The Telegraph that the onus should not be on the UK to provide the “billions” Mr Wallace has called for.
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“We’ve given away just about as much as we can afford,” they added.
“We will continue to source equipment to provide for Ukraine, but what they need now is things like air defence assets and artillery ammunition and we’ve run dry on all that.”
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‘Every tank we give is one less we have’
The military chief said there was no prospect of providing more British tanks to Ukraine.
“We’ve given away pretty much everything we can afford to give,” they added.
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Brussels last month overtook the US in promised aid to Kyiv, with European commitments now twice as large, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that has been tracking funding for Ukraine.
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Hungary, whose leader celebrated Mr Fico’s victory, was also holding up a planned €500 million tranche of funding to help EU member states pay for weapons donations.
Its opposition has also dealt a blow to a planned €20 billion war chest from EU nations for Ukraine to buy weapons for the next four years, highlighting the challenges faced by the West.

‘It’s a survival issue’: Ukraine looks to arm itself as Western support slips
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Ukraine finds its supporters running out of weapons to send while others are increasingly wary of committing more money to the conflict.

With the charm offensive directed at weapons-makers around the world, the country is effectively trying to take matters into its own hands.
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“It’s a survival issue,” said Pavel Verkhniatskyi, managing partner at COSA Intelligence Solutions in Kyiv, since there is only so long Ukraine can expect to rely on donations from partners whose support can be switched off with a single election.
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It’s all part of a larger and growing refrain among Ukrainian officials, which is “we will have to become an Israel in Europe — self-sufficient but with help from other countries,” said Daniel Vajdich, president of Yorktown Solutions, which advocates on behalf of Ukraine in Washington.
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Leaders in Kyiv want that day to come sooner rather than later, an urgency that’s been bolstered by comments from several Western officials over the past few weeks that weapons are running out and allies haven’t significantly ramped up their production lines to keep up with demand.

“We cannot keep on giving from our own stockpiles,” said one European official, who like others quoted in this story was granted anonymity to speak frankly about a politically sensitive issue.

The official added that there is still robust public and political support for Ukraine’s fight, but “we’ve given everything that will not endanger our own security.”

After 18 months of intense, industrial-scale combat, European stockpiles are running dry, though hope is rising that countries can work together to find more solutions, one Biden administration official said.

“After two years we need now to have another discussion because we cannot give, give, give and see our systems going down for Ukraine,” Gen. Stéphane Mille, chief of staff of the French Air and Space Force, recently told reporters in Washington.

Adding to the troubles was Poland’s recent declaration that it would pause donations to Ukraine in order to shore up its own capabilities.

The Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which pays for U.S.-made weapons systems to be placed under contract, has already run out of money. The Defense Department still has $5.4 billion worth of weapons available to send to Ukraine, but is fast running out of money to replenish its own stockpiles, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the discussions.

There are still plenty of questions over how much defense production can happen in Ukraine while Russian missiles and Iranian drones continue to target critical infrastructure, but the war shows no signs of slowing even as partner nations worry about what they have left to give.

Western-made armor is failing in Ukraine because it wasn't designed to sustain a conflict of this intensity, a military analyst told The Wall Street Journal.
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"If you throw it into a mass offensive, it just doesn't perform," he said.

Chmut went on to say Ukraine's Western allies should instead turn their attention to delivering simpler and cheaper systems, but in larger quantities, something Ukraine has repeatedly requested, the newspaper reported.
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Less than 5% of tanks destroyed since the start of the war had been taken out by other tanks, Ukrainian officials said in the Journal report, with the rest falling to mines, artillery, antitank missiles, and drones. This means the relative sophistication of a tank is no longer as important, the paper says.

Maj. Gen. Christian Freuding, Germany's director of planning and command staff, said Western military strategists had not yet accepted that quantity trumps quality.

"You need numbers; you need force numbers. In the West, we have reduced our military; we have reduced our stocks. But quantity matters; mass matters," he told the Journal.
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A July report compiled by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy said Ukraine's allies had only delivered about half of the heavy weapons that had been promised.
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Sergej Sumlenny, founder of the German think tank European Resilience Initiative Center, previously told Insider that Ukraine was stepping up its domestic production in part because of concern that Western deliveries would not keep up with its military needs.

Why are elite paratrooper Ruzzian troops in Verbove?

In the conditions of aggressive propaganda on both sides of the conflict, only maps can be trusted. The fact that the Ukrainian counter-offensive has completely fizzled out is already a fait accompli. Ukraine never managed to reach Tokmak, and all other areas of military activity are distracting and media (Zelensky’s painful fixation on Bakhmut is generally a topic for a separate study, but I’m not a psychiatrist to deal with this). The weather factor also cannot be discounted; with the autumn rains, it becomes physically impossible for Ukraine to continue the offensive in the Zaporozhye direction.

In a couple of weeks, Russian aviation bombed four road bridges across the Oskol River, in Kupyansk and downstream (in Senkovka and Kovsharovka); there are no more bridges in this area. Oskol is not the largest river, but it is very specific - with a bunch of branches, bends, and separate “puddles”. That is, it is not so easy to guide pontoons through it; the overall width there is quite large and the area is marshy. To you it may seem like an accident or a coincidence that all the bridges on a short section of the front were destroyed in a short time, but I don’t think so. This looks more like purposeful preparation for increasing Russian pressure in the Kupyansk direction or for a tactical offensive with the goal of pushing Ukraine beyond Oskol. We'll see soon.

You certainly have something wrong in your brain speaking of potential "exhausted" when the Ruzzian loses of this month are higher than ever. do not overestimate what the maps and your trolls tell you, the meat grinding and artillery destruction are at the peak - not to mention the increasing difference in technical means.

These bridges you speak about (two) are pretty much irrelevant to the logistics and can be re-built elsewhere in a day.