Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 175. (Read 73750 times)

BA, there is absolutely no doubt that Ukraine is receiving first quality military advice and a torrent of intelligence information from the "Gospel from the Sky" and the "little birds" in the RF ministries and army. This is not a "suspicion" it is as clear as it gets. The planning and success of the last counter offensive that recovered 3000 km2 requires quite in depth knowledge of the deployment, morale and means of the RF troops.

Ukrainian troops are being trained - officially, not even in secret -  in several NATO countries (locations undisclosed) in the use of NATO armament and as of today in the use of German and British armoured vehicles.

The US citizens should be able to realize that it is much more expensive to have a successful Putin at the gates of central Europe than supporting Ukraine's very rightful fight. The US is not precisely well suited in allies and it would do well in supporting the ones that are still on their side.

If Ukraine really wants to fight, that's their business. But it's kinda stupid of them.


What Happens Next In The Ukraine Proxy War? A New Russian Offensive In Spring

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Because globalism has pushed most nations into interdependency, an ongoing war in Ukraine could very well set off a chain of dominoes that tests America's already unstable financial system and supply chain.

I should note that I really don't care about the Ukrainian government or the Russian government and I have no interest in which side "wins." I, like many people, think Ukraine has nothing to do with the American public and is purely a proxy war being pursued by NATO. It is my belief that certain international interests (globalists) are keen for the conflict to continue regardless as they seek to exploit it as a crisis of opportunity.

All of my primary predictions for the Ukraine war have turned out to be true:

First, as I noted in my article 'The Globalist Reset Agenda Has Failed – Is Ukraine Plan B?', published in January 2022, a regional war (or proxy war) with Russia in Ukraine was the most likely scenario to unfold, followed by international calls for escalation against Russia.

Second, in my article 'Ukraine Learns The Value Of An Armed Citizenry, But Far Too Late', published in March, I noted that:

"The methods which Ukrainian forces are using to ambush Russian armor columns are rather advanced and familiar. I suspect the possibility that there are outside military "advisers" (perhaps US advisers) on the ground right now in Ukraine. The advanced guerrilla-style ambush tactics and the results look similar to training that is often given to Green Berets or SAS. The UK did send anti-tank weapons along with a small group of "trainers" to Ukraine in January."
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There is edit history. Also other sources. But I'm guessing that in your alternate universe facts don't exist because they interfere with your severe case of putinism.

They can't win this war against Russian depending on US and NATO countries to continue  supporting /supply them with tanks looking at the time and the resources it will take to get in those equipments there.
Too they've lost the battle already by allowing the US to use their country as a battle ground to fight this proxy war against the Russian, which has caused mass destruction and their economy to crumble.

If things escalate more than this in the near future non of these two countries Ukraine or Russian will be safer for Americans because both countries are gonna feel the heat as well.

Old Money has been draining out of the West and moving to China since Kissinger/Nixon.  They are enamored with the complaint population who are easily controlled by the totalitarian dictatorship (which they've also had a hand in building for over 100 years Mao being an alumnus of the Rockefeller system.)

When I say that it may be the case that 'the WEF crowd and Talmudics' may be using Ukraine as drill bit to finally scuttle the 'collective West' ship, that's what I mean.  To the extent that there is much light between these two groups, the members of both consider themselves 'stateless' and the have disdain national allegiances and that sort of thing.  The WEF even coined the term 'Davos Man' for themselves a number of years ago.  'Nations' can be useful tools in population exploitation, R&D, etc, but it is important to engineer things so that mutinies by the plebs are unlikely.  'Technocracy' shows the most promise, and 'the West' contains elements of the population most likely to resist effectively.  The larger of the Western societies need to be sunk at some point, and that time may be at hand.

Thanks. I couldn't agree with you more about BRICS. When you look at the financial dealings that Joe and Hunter have been doing in China, probably they are quietly diversifying into BRICS, as well, as a hedge against failure in Ukraine.

Giving links to pages on Wikipedia with unverified information and a lot of fresh edits from 02/15/2023, you look more like an idiot here.

The 'distant past' is a confusing tangle of ethnic, military, and religious events.  Same as most areas.  I consider it of relatively minimal importance...but mostly because it doesn't involve me perhaps, although I don't give much of a fuck about my own 'linage' either so I'm not wired that way I guess.  Plus, I'm an American and we have kind of a cultural distrust of such things due to our own 'melting pot' traditions.  At least us older West Coast ones.

Much of my 'knowledge' comes from Wikipedia which is an especially deficient source when it comes to an understanding of anything of contemporary political significance.  I've simply not integrated disperate sources of info on this topic and analyzed them for years when it comes to this topic.  Sorry.

In reading it Wikipedia again just now, it remains unclear to me what the 'consensus' view of Russia among the Crimean Tartars might be now.  Two notable factors are worth considering:  One is that Russia today is not the Soviet Union prior to it's collapse, but how much said labeled ethnic group correlates the two is not clear.  Secondly, the ethnic cleansing of the area under the Soviets was extreme and even longer-lasting than most such operations they undertook.  'Crimea' probably did vote in a super-majority to align with Russia in 2014, but almost certainly that had to do with the ethnic makeup which was very strongly a result of Soviet era programs.

I couldn't say who most 'Crimean Tartars' would tend to hate more between Kiev and Moscow, but they have legacy reasons for complaints against both (and, historically speaking, both slavic groups have experienced insults from the 'Crimean Tartars' as well to be fair.)  Ultimately, being basically a minority in their own 'motherland', it doesn't matter as much when it comes to voting.

The question now is whether one would be better off from 2023 forward aligned with BRICS or with the 'Collective West' (for as long as either one lasts.)  If it were me, I would certainly choose BRICS for a variety of reasons.

You have a much better understanding of the history of the whole area around Russia. Is there anything you can tell us about the legendary Tartaria nation from the distant past, that controlled most of the northern half of the Northern Hemisphere around the world, way back?

Note that my post was a little bit of a joke... Crimea and crime.

Not really that long.  Khrushchev shuffled Crimea into the Ukraine administrative region for internal political reasons in the 1950's.  Prior to that, the Crimean population was victimized by communist population shuffling because that's a favorite trick Bolshevik-inspired political thinkers (though they hardly invented it.)

Seems that the Crimean Tartars have dis-liked the Kiev-area psychos for a long time, and since the Ukrainian common underlying disposition has been lain bare following the 2014 coup it is very easy to understand why the Crimean's don't want anything to do with them.  Of course the Crimeans had plenty of problem with the Bolsheviks, Stalinist, etc from the Soviet power center reigions as well, but who hasn't?  I'm going to guess that they had issues with the czars prior to that.

Occam's Razor (and history) suggests that everyone wants Sevastopol for military reasons and those who missed it on the 2014 game of cake-walk (e.g., the 'Collective West') have not given up on their hope to somehow win it in the end.  Hopefully they don't start a nuclear war over it.

For the last who knows how many decades, US government leaders have stated that the US was going to take over Russia and break her into pieces. Now they are destroying Ukraine to do it, and it is backfiring on them.

Poor Ukraine... but they kind of deserve it. For example, Crimea was a part of Ukraine for a long time, until Russia liberated her a few years ago. What they should do is change Crimea's name to something else, and change Ukraine's name to Crimea. Why? Because Ukraine really IS Crimea.

Maybe learn to google before being an idiot.

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Yeah totally nazi flower.

Your links is broken
Maybe learn to post proper links before calling other people idiots?

Idiot, in your nazi ruᛋᛋia such a unit appeared back in 1998. And in 2011, this division was named "Edelweiss"

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oтpяд_cпeциaльнoгo_нaзнaчeния_«Aвaнгapд»

And then, when they found out that Zelensky had named one of the Ukrainian troops "Edelweiss," the ruᛋᛋian nazis shit themselves and quickly renamed their squad. Although they did not provide any evidence about the renaming of the squad

Before you bark something here, first dig into the history of nazi ruᛋᛋia, my advice

Original nazi unit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Mountain_Division_(Wehrmacht)

2 days ago formed spiritual successor:

https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/802023-45805

No, Putin's government tried to take Kiev, except that their intelligence was so poor that they though the government and army would flee. "No too hard" costed 1000s of RF soldiers lives. No, Putin's government declared they would overtake Ukraine, that includes the Donbas (particularly the Donbas). Again, for "not wanting" that piece of land, it costed RF mothers quite a few of their brethren.

Remember, this is not a theory or a dissertation or a discussion on a pub - Putin's Psychos make mistakes, RF soldiers get killed. Big mistakes, thousands of dead, small mistakes more dead. Now, keep on rationalising, their mothers, wives and children don't get them back.

Interesting how you somehow pretend that non-belligerent countries have to pay compensation. For what? You dictator says there is no war. How can there be reparations? Unless you have decided to admit here that there is a war and get 10 years of prison.

Translation: "To get rid of the Nazis" - Putin's government made-up expression that justifies any war crime. Examples: Why did they bomb the school in XYZ? - "because they were Nazis inside", why they they destroy the powerplans in Ukraine - "because the electricity was being used by Nazis". Use it without moderation, as it does not require any evidence.

Again, Ukraine and many Ukrainians fought the real Nazis.

It's obvious you're just trying to spin whatever you can in a pro Russia way because you're a Putin fan boy.  But you gotta look at how the actual pro Russia Russians are spinning things for Putin since they're actually on the ground with access to the most reliable information.

When they start saying 'wtf this is not going well', that's your cue to stop telling everyone how well things are going.

Make sense?

Almost all of what most boomers 'know' is wrong (Bill Casey FTW!.)  That's one of the reasons why the planners tend to be older.  At least that is the case in countries who's governments are not bent on the destruction of said country.  If you are one of the 'order out of chaos' types then you'll want to collapse things, and there is no surer way to do it than to put boomers in charge.  The more 'pinko'/'eviro'/'transo'/'fago'/'generally-fucked-up-o', etc the better.


RT is gross propaganda of the same nature as any other like media entity anywhere.  As usual, you have to figure out the how, why where elements of their shtick.  In this case, if the plebs think that the soft-touch was a mistake, it will justify the taking off of the gloves.  Doing so is probably what the leadership has decided is, regrettably, the most logical path forward.

RT, and Russia generally, seems to be gunning for the 'factual' end of the media landscape.  Not probably because they are especially honest, but more because the other end of the spectrum (that is to say, completely fabricated blatant bullshit all day every day) is already taken by the Western media.  From my standpoint as a 'truther', it makes RT slightly more valuable for hard facts than, say, CNN.  They are still propaganda though, and thus fundamentally in the same basic mainstream media category.

Even the boomer Russians know that the first couple months of the war were a failure for Russia.  

Maybe lay off the incel conspiracy youtube channels and stick to something closer to reality like RT or something.

Russia invaded neither city, nor did they try real hard.  They threatened them in order to pull Ukrainian forces from other areas which they did intend to keep.  Of course Russia would have been happy if Ukraine would have surrendered since it would further one of the goals.  Namely 'de-nazification'.  But they never put the forces together to win these cities militarily against a determined adversary.  They, and every other competent person can see this.


Moscow studiously avoided doing so when practical in all areas, but most particularly the one's they plan to incorporate into the federation.  Kiev wasted a lot of ammo trying to do so in Donetsk, and still does for reasons known only to the NaZiocons.  You'll have to ask them, but I would suggest that expending ammo on trying to kill civilians detracted from their ability to fight Russians and contributed to the generally poor performance in terms of logistics and strategy.


To get rid of the Nazis.  Next question?


Generally they avoid it unless there is a high-value target.  Most of the time when a seemingly benign civilian target is hit, it's traced back to errant Ukrainian air defences.  Of course Ukraine and the Western propaganda always say 'Russia did it', but their proclaimations are completely without value to anyone who is somewhat infomed and observant.  They will always say the same thing, within minutes, no matter what the details.


It's obvious they don't, and they would only do so under extreme duress.  It would not 'accomplish the mission' of de-nazification anyway since the West would absorb the Nazi-types as 'refugees' and keep them busy with operations like the 'Charleston' hoax.


At this point, they very well might.  The economic and strategic value will make up for the reparations that the West obviously won't be paying to Russia.


Very possible that they are generally on-board and in bed with the WEF and Talmudic and designers of this whole engineering effort.  I cannot rule it out.


What's very very amusing is that the geenyuses in the U.S. were dead-set on turning Ukraine into a quagmire or 'another Vietnam' which would sap Russia and they were positively gloating about it.  In reality it turned into exactly the opposite.  Russia is doing quite well on the world stage (in part because most of the world is sick of Western bullshit and only stick around for the bribe money), and the 'collective West' is bleeding out at an impressive rate.

I suggest that the WEF types knew this would happen and welcomed it.  The Talmudics running the U.S. most likely as well.  Some of the low-level Neocons (e.g., Jake Sullivan) may well have believed the bullshit that he had a hand in creating.  That's why to real powers install not-very-bright people into fairly high level positions.