Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 170. (Read 73721 times)

If you look at history, properly, you will see that the Russians originally came from Kyiv. But that is irrelevant, because we are not in the middle ages nor under the Napoleonic empire nor in Stalin's regime (not yet anyaway). The independence of a country is based on the will of the people who live in there. It is quite evident that a majority of Ukrainians would rather manage their own business instead of letting Adolf Putin manage them for the benefit of the Kleptocrats of Moscow and St Petersbourgh.

Again, you seem not to need any justification to make allegations. Anything goes, anything is good just because you say it and some "media" out there says so. I guess all your posts here are just to feed the algorithm, not really intended for human consumption.

Amusing coming out.

Of course you are a Nazi. The cultivation of hatred for everything Russian in Ukraine has become the cornerstone of the formation of national identity in Ukraine in recent history. You are not just Ukrainian, you are anti-Russian.

There is no way to express 'NATO bases' to someone who has an at-par (aka, simplistic and thus useless) comprehension of what that means.  Plenty of people have mentioned, for instance, the bio-research facilities and the funding there-of.  If some nebulous entity says 'conspiracy theory' that's all it takes to completely shut off any further exploration of any quasi-related topics, and people like you remain incapable of every gaining any insight into how the world works.


e.g., you.  At least until you started to make some progress today.  Hopefully.


For my part as effectively a stateless person, an unbiased assessment is that Russia is doing pretty much the only thing which makes any sense for them.  Much more importantly, however, they are doing it as 'right' as it could possibly be done.  I have to acknowledge that as it is highly unusual historically.

I have limited confidence that Russia will stay on the 'straight-and-narrow' and won't get greedy, but for now all I can say is that for now they have my support.  If I were a Russian I may or may not feel similarly.  Even if I did basically support the leadership, I still might run-for-the-hills rather than get inducted.  Hard to know.

The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus claims that the A-50 aircraft was not injured as a result of the terrorist attack.

I talked with many Russians, not average ones who are zombied by state owned TV. I talked with more inteligent people, they saw Western world in their eyes. And everything is OK until you start to talk with them about politics, especially Ukraines. Then most of them become ultra patriots and justify this war.

I have different impression. Maybe they are against war when they talk with family in the kitchen. But when it comes to actions, they remain silent
Question how many years it will took and what will change after it.
Calling someone Nazi just because they hate people who don't speak official language of country is a bit too stroong word. In my country there is also many people who live there 70-80 years and they speak just Russian. I don't like them too, so, Im probably also Nazi.
NATO bases in Ukraine sounds similar like US biolabs in Ukraine.
There is so many predictions about when war will end given that someone from all these must be right
Including people who have leading roles in this ''special operation, considering how it's going on. And this sentence summarize Russia very well.

The US and Nato countries have donated well over $100 billion. What is your puny $buck going to do?

Besides, people don't donate except that somebody prayed.

Now let's pray that the war ends soon, because of this in addition to everything else:


Zelensky: "The U.S. Will Have To Send Their Sons And Daughters" And "They Will Be Dying."

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https://www.dcclothesline.com/2023/03/01/zelensky-the-u-s-will-have-to-send-their-sons-and-daughters-and-they-will-be-dying/
When the war began, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky begged our politicians for help, and our politicians did not disappoint him.  So far we have poured nearly 200 billion dollars into the war, but Zelensky just keeps asking for more.  He wants fighter jets, he wants long-range missile systems, and apparently he also thinks that eventually "the U.S. will have to send their sons and daughters" to fight the Russians.

In that clip he seems to be addressing a hypothetical scenario that someone has raised.

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Ukraine needs fresh young Americans to help fight on the ground war.

"The US will have to send their Son's & Daughter's... to WAR..."

"....and they will be DYING."

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At this point, things are going so badly that Zelensky just fired the commander that was in charge of his forces in eastern Ukraine…
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Don't bother praying. Donate.

Praying never wins wars. Ammunition and weapons do.

So we see. It is the banking industry that is behind money supplies to Ukraine. And all this is doing is devaluing US money  around the world.

The people of America and other countries are the ones being hurt through this action on the part of the banking system. Some of the people support Ukraine and don't mind being hurt. Others don't support Ukraine, and maybe not the banking system (willingly). Most don't even realize what is happening, even though they realize that something is not right.

Time for Americans to get out from under the control of the banks, and use some other money (like Bitcoin?) that is not bank controlled. This will make bank money worthless, and the whole banking industry will fail, right along with Ukraine.


Treasury Sec. Yellen Meets Zelensky in Ukraine As U.S. Commits $10 Billion More To Conflict

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https://www.infowars.com/posts/treasury-sec-yellen-meets-zelensky-in-ukraine-as-u-s-commits-10-billion-more-to-conflict/
Yellen met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev to signal Biden's continued support for Ukraine "for as long as it takes," the same vague talking point used by Biden officials numerous times.

"I bring to Kyiv a clear message from President Biden and the American people: We will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes," Yellen said.

"As you have said, our support is not 'charity,'" Yellen told Zelenskyy. "It's an 'investment in global security and democracy.'"

Yellen announced on Friday that the U.S. would commit another $10 billion to Ukraine, not for military purposes, but to assist its budget and energy costs.

"Just as your life is a part of the history of Ukraine – I believe that Ukraine is a central part of the history of the free world. And you are writing our history right now," Yellen said. "As you do, I hope you know this: America stands with you in this fight for freedom. And we will be by your side to help you rebuild."

Though Yellen said Friday that the U.S. sent $50 billion to Ukraine since the start of the conflict, but the true figure is over double that at $100 billion.
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I spent half an hour conversing with a highly intelligent Russian expatriate today who recently moved away from Russia because he hates the war and its dissolved opportunities for his particular employment, and it was very enlightening. A few things he said:

- The majority of Russians don't support the war.
- Putin will remain in power until he's dead.
- Western Ukraine is filled with Nazis who hate people that aren't Ukrainian, don't speak the Ukrainian language.
- The war won't end until Russia has destroyed NATO bases in Ukraine.
- The war will end in about two years.
- Almost nobody in Russia really knows whats going on with the war or why it was started.

I think its intriguing that in 208 pages nobody brought up NATO bases in Ukraine.

Its also more apparent than ever that pro-war idiots in the US don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. If he doesn't know, you don't know. There's no knowledge or understanding that you have that he doesn't have.

For the Russians in this thread that feel a patriotic duty to support Russia, I still sympathize with that plight as many Americans were lead to believing the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan in 2001 was good, even though it was ultimately wrong... its a base human nature that is almost instinctual. However, you are still rooting for the death and destruction of innocents at the end of the day.

When you look at history, Russia and Ukraine have been friends at times and enemies at times. And the borders between them changed many times over hundreds of years.

Ukraine amassed troops on the Donbas border... and started killing and harming both Ukrainian people and Russian people who were associated with them. There was a Ukraine military build-up on the border about a week before Russia started its police action.

Russia simply intervened to stop this stupid Ukrainian harming of its own citizens, and Russian people who were living in the Donbas area for decades. This Ukrainian almost-massacre didn't happen until the US and Nato started getting into the governmental affairs of Ukraine.

So, let's see some details that clearly justify the Ukraine government's Donbas attack. Just because the Donbas was considered to be part of Ukraine isn't enough. Governments don't start attacking their own country for nothing. Explain to us clearly... why... with some details about what the people of Donbas were doing to harm Ukraine.

If you can't, standing with the Ukraine government ISN'T standing with Ukraine. And maybe not even if you can. It's like standing with Hitler or Stalin, who both killed their own people.

Again, you are not. You are trying to make it look like that is a "balanced" position which is not. Ukraine did not amass troops in the RF border, did not send a column of tanks to Moscow, did not try to take land away from the Russian Federation. "standing with the people" is an empty phrase to launder the attack of the RF on Ukraine.#

Your links are meaningless (apart for leading to a pay-wall for data). Your reference to drinking in Mariupol,...proof please?

Zelensky has said that he won't negotiate until Russia gives back the land (the Donbas, etc.) and pulls his troops out. But the Minsk Treaty was designed to keep the war from even happening. If the war had not happened, the Donbas, etc., would still be under Ukraine control.

Why did the war happen with the Minsk Treaty in place? Because Ukraine with the help of the US and Nato broke the Treaty.

So we see that if Russia pulled out and gave the land back, just so that there could be peace talks, Russia would be cutting it's own throat. Why? Because Ukraine broke the Minsk Treaty, and cannot be trusted in any other treaty. The whole thing would turn into an advancement of Nato and Ukraine, so that they could conquer Russia.

Russia knows this. So, why would Russia want to do the exact thing that would only cause it to be eventually conquered?... peace talks under Zelensky's requirements for even talking peace?

A lot of participants on Thursday stressed the need for resumption of negotiation between Russia and Ukraine for a peaceful solution to the raging conflict, after abstaining from a vote in the UN General Assembly UNGA on a resolution calling for Moscow to withdraw its troop from the country - exactly one year after its invasion.

It has nothing to do with an army being powerful or not. Russia had enough manpower and weapons to make significant advancements within the first week of the invasion IF they have planned this properly, and IF the soldiers have been motivated. Remember stories about conscripts not even know where they are being sent? Yeah, good luck motivating them to fight.

Ukraine is a huge country. Sending 100k soldiers, not prepared for war but for resistance-free takeover, to later fight on a 1000 km long front with poor supply lines and outdated war doctrine not suited for modern conflicts is close to suicide.

On top of that, Russian military doctrine is outdated as it focuses on conventional warfare and has limited ability to project power beyond its borders, considering Russia spent last 50 years building it's weapons and tactics around defence rather than offence.

However, unfortunately for everyone, spamming soldiers and artillery shells may be outdated, but can still wreck havoc.

Hopefully, Ukraine will utilise western aid more effectively in the coming warmer months.

Dont know about you but been drinking with a Ukrainian (from Mariupol) the other day. Was all nice and pleasurable until he started playing the heavy machinery. I have to say it was a bit to much.
https://youtu.be/zhijbJJYn7g?t=517

I firmly stand with the people and not with any of this companies. The sooner they out of business the better for the people. Pro Human, Anti Machine.
U S Government
GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
Petersburg, St. State government  

THE CABINET OF MINISTERS OF UKRAINE
Ministry of Finance of Ukraine  
State Agency for Automobile Roads of Ukraine
State Border Guard Service of Ukraine
STATE JUDICIAL ADMINISTRATION OF UKRAINE
State Space Agency of Ukraine
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She want be sending any of my money, lost it all in unfortunate boating accident.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1630244756759654400
Maybe more quality acting would be of more help?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1630305715402469376

Yep. Being an American, I'm kinda embarrassed. The US has been trying to conquer Russia for decades. This time they are doing it through poor, little Ukraine... destroying a bunch of lives in Ukraine just to make another failing attempt at taking over Russia.

But it's backfiring so badly that they might have given Russia the strength to conquer the world this time. I mean, look at the article at the top of this page. And realize that the sanctions have given Russia strength she never really had before... besides driving a Russia-China union... while strengthening the BRICS resolve.

I'm kinda embarrassed about my country. But if they keep on giving the war to Russia, I might be becoming a bit afraid. I'm already trying to figure out where to move to real fast for when the US finally collapses America, and Russia takes over... along with China.


THE WEST SEVERELY MISCALCULATED THE GEOPOLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS Of The War In Ukraine

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https://southfront.org/the-west-severely-miscalculated-the-geopolitical-ramifications-of-the-war-in-ukraine/
Although many remember February 24 as the first anniversary of the war in Ukraine, Russia's special military operation is actually the next phase of a wider conflict that began in 2014. This is a key point often overlooked because the narrative built in the West is that Russia's intervention was an unprovoked invasion with the sole purpose of territorial expansionism. The international community, which the West incorrectly refers to itself as, has rejected this narrative. To the disappointment of Western leaders, most of the world has instead deepened their ties with Russia.

However, even this narrative has been exposed in the West as a fallacy. It is recalled that former German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted in December 2022 that "the 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine."

"It also used this time to become stronger as can be seen today. The Ukraine of 2014-2015 is not the modern Ukraine," she said, adding that "it was clear to everyone" that the conflict had been put on hold, "yet this was what gave Ukraine invaluable time."

Merkel's statement confirmed that the Minsk Accords, a series of agreements which sought to end the Donbass war, was only intended to give the Ukrainian state more time to militarily strengthen. It also proves that the Western party of the Minsk Accords never intended to use this mechanism to find peace and address the concerns of local residents.
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One of them around here is all about not helping Ukraine, because he does not want to "spend money" on it. That's all. All the "pro-Putin", "alternative sources", and all the singing of defeats is finally reduced to a tight fisted cheap person that does not understand that to keep the world safe is not free - and is not even his or her life at the stake, is just money. I wonder what would be if he or she was actually called to combat.

If someone haven't saw yet, there is some interesting news from Belarus. Someone blew up Russian plane nearby to Minsk. There isn't just simple plane, it have radar which is able to detect activated air defence systems and and target it. There is just few such planes in service and each is worth $330m. It was done either by Ukrainian drones or Belarus partisans did it
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/27/belarus-anti-war-partisans-russian-plane-drones-machulishchy-damage-claim
Maybe it's not same level like sinking Moskva ship, but still impressive.

Imagine how much your country and "most powerful" army needs to suck when your 5 day war takes a over a year and took lives of nearly 200k of your soldiers.
At the same time whole world hates you and lots of them are not planning to go "back to normal" even when Putin dies and war is over.

And only people defending your victories are dictators and deranged and mentally challenged forum trolls.

It's sort of sad and funny how some western trolls in are totally unaware of their privileges of free speech and they are using that freedom to praise dictators who take that freedom away from their own citizens.

I wonder what Russia is going to do with these 7,000 trapped Ukrainian troops? They could execute them, you know. There is a video, but US Internet propaganda forces are trying to block it. So, you may not be able to watch it.


UPDATED 3:16 PM EST -- It Is Done: Bakhmut is Encircled by Russian Troops

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/it-is-done-bakhmut-is-encircled-by-russian-troops
This morning, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported to Ukraine President Zelensky about the tactical encirclement and the impossibility of evacuating the remaining Ukrainian units.

UPDATE 3:16 PM EST --

Video from Bakhmut today:

This is a massive victory for the Russian Army.   By finally taking Bakhmut, Russia has now cut-off all supply lines for the Ukrainian Army to the south and southeast of Ukraine.  Those areas will now fall, one at a time, to the never-ending Russian onslaught.

Ukraine is losing the war.  As reported on this web site from the very beginning, once the Russian Army crossed their border, Ukraine stood no chance at all.  Only the West thought otherwise, and provided aid to Ukraine.  That aid only served to delay the inevitable, and cost tens-of-thousands of more Ukrainian deaths.
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