Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 178. (Read 73748 times)

No attempt to do anything, no rewriting - just plainly stating what the propaganda department of the Russian Federation is deliberately forgetting, along with many other things. The effort of fighting the German Nazis in terms of territory and manpower fell into the Ukrainians greatly, which at that time did not have a country. Next time, before crying bot and fake, care to have a look a any decent history book, or do a basic search if you do not have books in your lair.

I am not surprised you ate the Kremlin argument on Nazism, most have, because most do not care to have a minimal look into facts of the WW II:



So, I say it again: Who is going to teach Ukrainians to fight Nazism? The guy sitting in his comfortable chair (behind a 3 meter desk away from anyone? Will Mr. Adolf Putin teach them about being free from absolutism and have their own destiny on their hands?

If so, he is going to find some obstacles in the way - they type that may cause your fall.

Zelensky never wanted peace, right from the start... actually, before the start.


Zelensky Admits He Never Intended to Implement Minsk Agreements

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https://sputniknews.com/20230209/zelensky-admits-he-never-intended-to-implement-minsk-agreements-1107274340.html
"As for Minsk as a whole, I told Emmanuel Macron and Angela Merkel: we will not be able to implement it like that," Zelensky said in an interview with a German magazine published on Thursday.

According to Zelensky, he said the same thing to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the first and last meeting with him in the Normandy format in 2019.
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Like the Talmudics (aka, Pharisees; aka, Synagogue of Satan) do with the Jews.

These degenerate posers went to work on the Jews, and there are only maybe 50k Karaites left today.  Then they set their sights on the rest, or what they refer to as The Nations or just goyim.

Ok.

Zionists misuse the Jews. But the real Israel is of God, and accepts Jesus, the Messiah, as God.

Unfortunately, Jews who don't accept Jesus, also DO accept the Messiah of the Old Testament. They are split within themselves, each one of them, because Jesus who they don't accept is the Messiah Who they DO accept.

Like you do with Jews.

Yeah, 'off the charts' is a good way to put it.  It's getting beyond ridiculous.  I'm more and more thinking that Ukrainians in general are deliberately being given a bad name by fake bots, trolls, and other operatives who's goals are to do exactly that.

The most likely reason is so that people world-wide will feel less bad about what has happened to Ukrainians already, and the much worse which is yet to come.  Another related reason would be classic scapegoating so that, world-wide, people will blame the Ukrainians for various misfortunes both within Ukraine, and around the world.  It would tend to draw attention away from the people who actually engineered and implemented the disasters.

Some groups have something of a culture and a religious zeal for employing scapegoats in association with other secretive and nefarious social engineering efforts.  They noticed that most people of most standard religious backgrounds are not very sophisticated and it's hard for them recognize certain kinds of subterfuge.  These groups have even written into their own religious texts that it is OK to fool such people, use them, rob them, try to get them killed, etc.  It's pretty disgusting really, and can be down-right sinister and dangerous.

'Ancient' history is always slanted according to the recorder thereof. Same said regarding the history of Ukraine - which Russians and others often call 'the Ukraine', signifying its transience throughout its history. It seems that nobody really knows if there is even a real national history of Ukraine because of how it has been bounced around among other nations over the millennia.


The 20th-Century History Behind Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine

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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-20th-century-history-behind-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-180979672/

Before Russian forces fired rockets at the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv; seized Chernobyl, site of the world’s worst nuclear accident; and attacked Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, Russian President Vladimir Putin shared some choice words.

In an essay published on the Kremlin’s website in Russian, Ukrainian and English last July, Putin credited Soviet leaders with inventing a Ukrainian republic within the Soviet Union in 1922, forging a fictitious state unworthy of sovereignty out of historically Russian territory. After Ukraine declared its independence in 1991, the president argued, Ukrainian leaders “began to mythologize and rewrite history, edit out everything that united [Russia and Ukraine], and refer to the period when Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union as an occupation.”

The “historical reality” of modern-day Ukraine is more complex than Putin’s version of events, encompassing “a thousand-year history of changing religions, borders and peoples,” according to the New York Times. “[M]any conquests by warring factions and Ukraine’s diverse geography … created a complex fabric of multiethnic states.”
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The level of propaganda is getting off the charts here. There's whitewashing, rewriting history and then there's this! Surely there's a ton of other shit you can accuse Russians of but this is this an attempt to polarize and radicalizing your core at the cost of alienating all objective people? Or the quality of propaganda is just a function of desperation?

Ukrainians fought the real Nazis while the Russians were watching from the back. The soldier raising the Soviet flag over the Reichstag was from Sumi. Keep on repeating the official propaganda, that only makes it even more clear that there is no legitimate reason for this aggression. You just say Nazi this or Nazi that... no argument, no credible information, ... you are the definition of a troll, a not very particularly effective one.

Chechnya has been part of Russia for forever.  Nobody really denies that.  The problems seem to be in the rear-view mirror now...sadly for Ukraine as the Chechens are some bad-ass MF's and they don't seem to like Nazis very much.

Russia came to the rescue of Osetia against the genocidal Georgians and left a short time after the job (a several day operation) was done.  South Ossetia is still trying to join more closely with Russia but, contrary to your 'understanding', things are dragging on a bit.  I remember well when ZioCon darling and Zelenski-like twat Saakashvili was goaded into his mis-adventure of trying to do S. Osetia.  He was run out of Georgia shortly thereafter because nobody likes a loser.  I had to do a double-take when I read that the globalists had installed him as the mayor of Odessa.  You cannot make this shit up!

Syria; The Russians were invited in to save them from so-called 'isis' (aka, CIA/Mossad.)  Just in time, too.

I don't know what happened in Belarus.  I don't remember anything.  Maybe the put-down of some Soros/CIA 'color revolution' or some such.  Whatever the case, they are sitting pretty now to chill at the pool with Putin and watch Europe die away.

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IIRC, Russia kindly stopped about 500 meters from the pipeline the U.S. runs in Georgia during that three-day conflict.  After the Nordstream event (and the drastic display of U.S./Nato military impotency and blood draining via Ukraine), I would call that pipeline affair 'unfinished business' if I were in Russia/S.Osettia's shoes, but that's just me.

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One thing you didn't bring up was the very recent Kazakhstan affair.  The banks shut down their doors to the unvaxxed, and the next day the president was on a Gulfstream jet running for his life.  Russia marched in and re-installed the (globalist's) guy and nobody said a peep.  That casts great doubt in my mind about exactly how 'real' Putin is and how much of this whole Ukraine thing is a fraud and mutually agreed upon ethnic clean-up and housecleaning the whole Ukraine thing really is?

Wow! A Jesus guy after all! Almost can't believe it.

Or are you playing with me like the West is playing with Ukraine?

The West isn't helping Ukraine to the detriment of their own people because they love Ukrainians so much. They are doing it for future profits. So, they (and you) talk against Russia because you are trying to improve and increase your profit... or are you simply ignorant regarding what's going on?

The difference between any violence Russia does, and the violence of the West, is that Russia is more honest. They simply do what they do.

The West, however, sneaks their CIA into governments and topples them. The people barely understand what's going on. And you seem to be missing it entirely... or are you simply playing with me? If you are playing with me, you are doing like the West does with other countries... sneak in and pull off a coup. Doesn't always work.

Jesus, man, you have no clue what the Soviet system was all about.

It was all about TERROR, FEAR, KILLING, and TORTURES. Totalitarian system where you had to watch what you say
and how you say it in front of your children, wife, 'friends', and co-workers.
You used the wrong intonation and you could end up in a gulag; aka filtration camps today.

That is what is coming to Russia as Peter the Gopnik is trying to relive his youth.
Why do you think he created Rosgvardiya/NKVD?

What do you think Rosgvardiya is doing in Ukraine? Vacationing?

Friendship my ass. There will never be any friendship between Russia and its neighbours.

As I said, there are those in all countries who have divided opinions. So, if you listen only to what you like, you will miss the truth. Read the rest of the article.


Relations between Russia and other countries: "befriend" or colonize

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https://en.topwar.ru/184341-vzaimootnoshenija-rossii-s-drugimi-stranami-druzhit-ili-kolonizirovat.html?ysclid=ldvy9fom4n645926770
On the pages of "Military Review" and on the pages of other publications, you can often see comments in such a way that if Russia uses force in one case or another, for example, to solve its economic problems and / or support its corporations, change and / or liquidate unfriendly regimes, then how will it differ from the "stronghold of world evil" - the United States or Great Britain?


The question is, do you need to be different? Maybe in this issue with the United States and Great Britain it is worth taking an example?

What negative consequences for our country will the “aggressive predator” policy bring?

Help "brotherly countries"

One of the distinguishing features of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), of which Russia is the successor, has become assistance to the so-called "fraternal countries." The Soviet Union helped a lot and generously to the countries of the Soviet bloc in all parts of the world - the countries of Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and Latin America.

The amount of aid to the countries of the Soviet bloc was enormous - the supply of weapons and military equipment, the construction of infrastructure facilities, the supply of food and consumer goods, not to mention loans and direct financial injections. The total volume of infusions into other countries amounted to hundreds of billions of dollars, and this was when a significant part of the population of the USSR lived in conditions that could be called beggarly. All this was accompanied by classical Soviet agitation about friendship of peoples, building communism / socialism.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Go to Caucasus, Baltic countries, Poland, Romania, the Chech republic...
People in those countries simply hated Russia well before this invasion. Now, most of the world sees what Rashists are really capable of.

Since WWII, Russians have been terrorizing their neighbours:

1956, 1968, 1970, 1981, 1991, 1994, 2000, 2008, 2014, 2022-now.

PS. You have no idea what type of ethnic cleansing Russian neighbours were subjected to.
Some whole nations were almost entirely Russified, while many others prevailed.

The terrorists you are talking about were sponsored by the US and the CIA way more than Russia ever sponsored terrorists... since Stalin, that is. US CIA terrorism has been in the news for at least 3 decades. Much of it that we know of has been done in South and Central America.

As far as so-called Russian terrorism in countries of the former USSR, there are loads of people in all those countries who would rather be connected to Russia than to the West. It's a continual squabble among people of those countries.

You are in denial. Chechnya, Ossetia, Georgia, Syria, Belarus, and now Ukraine.

Terrorists sponsored by Russia terrorized the civilian population of Crimea and Donbas forcing millions out of their homes since 2014, well
before the 2022 invasion.

How many civilians did they kill in Chechnya and Syria alone?

You must be a despicable Homo-Sovieticus to support these animals.

"Inward looking" my ass.

Yup.  Another classic illustration of the cretinism which characterizes the Ukrainian Nazis under control of the Zelenzkij/Kolomoyski regime (which is itself a tool lovingly cultivated by the OSS/CIA/U.S State Dept for decades.)

Well done, but the question remains as to whether you are 'for real' or LARPing as a mouth-breathing Nazi?  And if the latter, for political, philosophical, or financial reasons or some combination.  There are more than a few desperate 'work-from-home' wanna-be influencer people kicking around who will say and do anything which is spec'd out in a tasking.

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As for 'Russian aggression', looks to me more like since the fall of the Soviet Union Russia has been quite inward looking.  Even when the Donbass people begged to join Russia they declined and instead went the ultimately futile way of trying negotiating a treaty (Minsk.)  It wasn't their fault that the counter-party (Ukraine and the West) were just trying to buy time to build up for this war and never had any intention of making good on the deal.

Seems that when Russia is reluctantly stirred into action, they take care of business then leave ASAP.  Georgia comes to mind.  In other examples (e.g., Syria) it seems like they do stick around if asked by the client and basically do what is necessary...as long as it doesn't involve crossing their master with the 'Little Horn'.

Liz Cheney tweeted in response: "Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch - Why do you continually put Douglas MacGregor on @FoxNews to spread Putin's propaganda and lies? This is absolutely not in America's interest."

I agree with Liz Cheney here. And the video from your your link only confirms that Douglas MacGregor is doing nothing more than spreading Putin's propaganda and lies.

Col. Macgregor the President didn't speak a word of Ukrainian
https://youtu.be/rnut-E_eEM0?t=1030