Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 198. (Read 77475 times)

You would need to answer your own question, as you are the one stating that the US is at war, which is not the case.

If you want to know my opinion, the US is absolutely fine with having Adolf Putin in there, at least it gives a certain stability to the whole nuclear thing. The last thing you'd want is the RF to fall in disarray and become a failed state or come into the hands of the more radical branch of the Orc Army, which would happen if the US pressed at 100%. The US game is not difficult to guess, it is just a question of "winning" the war without creating bigger problems.

- Ukraine becomes an ally and the buffer against RF expansion (not just military, also in influence an economic).
- Europe becomes more indebted mainly with the US.
- More weapons will be sold, good for US business.
- Blocks are formed - helpful against China in the near future.
- Europe looses competitiveness as the cheap RF resources are not coming in the near and perhaps long term.

As said many times, the only winner in this war, if any, is the US.

There are very good reasons to pour money and help into Ukraine. As usual, none are particularly altruistic.

BTW, NATO does not "push". It is merely defensive and joining is voluntary. But the question is not about military matters, is a fight for economic influence. I like to think that also democratic principles are involved, but I guess that is just a side effect on this case.

Wake up the bear?? The bear seems to be the second biggest bear in Ukraine for now. May even loose the regional power status if things keep like this.


As far as I am concerned, Ukrainians have the right to make their own decisions. Adolf Putin has to come to the XXI century and understand that governments are to be decided by the people, anything else is Middleage.

And I, in turn, got bored with the topic of Ukraine, at least against the backdrop of the recent World Cup.

Yep, almost painless. It seems that Europe suffers from anti-Russian sanctions much more than Russia. For "twice torn to shreds" the Russian economy feels just fine.

Sure you could believe it, just look at West propaganda about Russia, or Covid...so many including you are believing it

*biggest eyeroll ever*

If it weren't for you I wouldn't believe it possible someone could be as vulnerable to propaganda as you have proven to be.

But here is where your own thinking backfires on itself. If Russia is so weak, why hasn't the US military simply gone in there and broken her apart... especially since they have all that Nato around there in Europe?

Something like almost $100 billion has gone US to Ukraine so far. And Biden and Congress are promising another $38 billion in the coming weeks. How many more billions is it going to take before the US destroys itself with inflation before they make Ukraine strong enough to begin to fight Russia?

With the break-up of the USSR in '91, there was the promise that Nato wouldn't push further in the direction of Russia. So, Russia was dumb enough to trust that, and to go into somewhat of a bit of hibernation. The US is waking her up by slapping her with Ukraine... like a hibernating bear might get pestered by a squirrel.

You don't want to wake this bear up... if you know what is good for you. Let her sleep. Live and let live. Trade and let trade. But don't wake the bear up.

You have an interesting style of writing... for example "when Trump wins the elections", when "Rusia wins", when the RF develops this weapon, when... But the "when" and the "ifs" are just wishful thinking.

In this case the latest stuff is the "unstoppable weapon" myth. Look, the RF already has the technology and the ability to use missiles that range from very difficult to nearly impossible to stop, but that does not matter because the can produce a tiny amount of them, some fail spectacularly and they are more expensive that most targets out there. On top of that, they are a weapon of terror, but will not win a war - unless used in quantities that the RF cannot produce.

Why the heck do you thing they are using IKEA drones?


They cannot seek help, RF doctors have gone away.

LOL, offcourse that I know that's pro-Russian channel, but where did I used it as source of information. I just showed obvious example from Russian media how they're making fake stories.


Because initially it looked like it was Russian missile. I just remind you that on that day Russia made massie attack on Ukrainian infrastructure and it wouldn't be nothing surprising that their missile landed in territory in Poland, same like there stories about missiles landed in territory of Moldova. There was no logical reasons to think that it was Ukrainian missile.
BTW, there wasn't just Brittish newspapers, but basically press of whole world..
P.S. I'm very sceptical about information Brittish press, especially tabloids, and not only about war topic. They would do anything to get more clicks.


Yeah, this one. Offcourse, I don't read her minds, but from context it looks that she was thinking that it was Russian missile. How else you would explain words ''how did you wanted''?


I'm not subscribed here channel, so, I didn't saw this posts. But actually it's not even here text, it's just repost from other channel.

Where do you see manipulation on facts and where exactly is lies in my post? Your fakes were debunked multiple times by me and other users. I'm a bit lazy to dig deep in past, but here is one example with Bayraktars:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60498312

I don't think you really can't see the difference... come on. LTU_btc posted it as an example of a false claim, it's absurd to imply Z-support here. You post Z-links and other Russian propaganda as facts. You also post Konashenkov's (who claims to have destroyed more bayraktars, airplanes, and HIMARS launchers than Ukraine ever had) bullshit unironically. Then you claim that British tabloids are starting WW3.

But if you are indeed serious about this then is seems that Putinism has caused you severe brain damage. Seek help.

^^^ Not only do I agree with you, but the evidence is as you say.

It is so difficult determining which of those people are trolls - maybe paid trolls - and which of them are sincerely mistaken - who have hopes and dreams they are talking up, hoping that their talk will make it successful for them.

The video shows how the missile hits the already destroyed Russian military equipment S-300. For what purpose this video was published only now (judging by the green grass, the video is not fresh) one can only guess. However, it's good that it's published because people should develop a healthy response to resisting any lies, especially on such sensitive topics.


https://t.me/sanya_florida/5902


You just posted a link to the @HersonVestnik yourself as your source of information. Should I show you their logo or did you not see it the first time?

Here is their logo


Then you should be recognized as a supporter of the Z movement?
It turns out that you consider yourself entitled to publish any links when it suits you, but you criticize other people for the same.


But you obviously underestimate them. Why do you think they lied in their articles about Russian strikes on the territory of Poland, was it not for the purpose of escalating the conflict?



Apparently, you mean this post in Telegram?

https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12433

Have you seriously concluded about Simonyan's thoughts on this text? Especially for you, here is the next post in her telegram, which she published 10 minutes later.


https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12434

You are again manipulating the facts.

Who debunked, are you? You couldn't even write a post without lying.

Seems to me that Russia currently only has 1 of these missiles. But it may have several. If production gets under way, nobody will be able to stop Russia.


Putin prepares new hypersonic 20,000 mph Avangard 'meteorite' missile...

"Polish people will know how people of Belgorod in border feels" doesn't mean she thinks it was Russian missile.
I bet those two Poles would die no matter who launched missile.
Try to use logic sometimes

If that's true then it would make for a very bad Russian joke.

(Intentionally) Firing at your own weapons while you are losing a war? I would not be surprised if the war ends in 2023 at this rate (with Russian withdrawal from Ukraine).

Russians is definitely shelling themselves, sometimes just for nice image. Look at this video for example:
https://t.me/HersonVestnik/12073
It's Lancet drone attack against S-300 system. The problem is that this system belongs to Russia. Just look at Z symbol on it.
Now I won't go through history of your posts and won't check every link that you posted. I named RT and Konashenkov more to summarize what kind of content you're posting and consider it as credible source. I remember someone posting links to RT, maybe it wasn't you. But you post links to Russian Z telegram channels, what isn't better source at all.
British newspapers could become perpetrators of third world war? I think you overestimate power of them..
BTW, soon after this accident happened, I remember that Russian propagandist Simonyan posted on her Telegram that now Polish people will know how people of Belgorod in border feels living in constant shelling from Ukraine. I'm not sure does this post still exist or no but even russian propagandists were thinking that it was Russian missile.
Your lies were debunked multiple times already, but offcourse you will call it fakes because it comes from Western or Ukrainian sources and it doesn't fits Russian narrative.

^^^ In all major forums there are trolls like the two you mentioned. They simply continue with their trolling even though they are blasted out of the water by the truth. It's like they think that talk is what makes reality. Well, they only hurt themselves that way.

What I like about Bitcointalk is that it is written almost entirely in PHP, a programming language that makes it extremely fast. This way we can get what we want to say posted without having to wait for all kinds of Internet irregularities.

1. Regarding the "wall of text", I'm thinking about formatting it in the form of comics, so that it would be easier for the famous analysts here to perceive information.
This is a joke, who didn’t understand, because after the events with the blown up gas pipelines, it seems that the most wonder guys gathered here, who really believe that Russian troops are shelling themselves in Donetsk, Luhansk, at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and exploding their own pipelines.

2. I don't remember that I was quoting the RT site. Can you provide at least one link to confirm that you are not trying to manipulate facts?
But even if I quoted this site, their activities cannot be compared with the well-known British sites, which a month ago lied recklessly that Russia attacked Poland and killed two tractor drivers. These unscrupulous swindlers could become the perpetrators of the third world war. These (owners and editors of British newspapers) are real criminals and the most shameless creatures.

Further, when I quoted Konashenkov, it was in relation to the number of Turkish bayraktars shot down, as far as I remember. And then some local users, like you and Suchmoon, tried to prove that they were delivered to Ukraine much less than they were shot down in the reports of the Russian army. The situation regarding bayraktars is reflected in this post.

3. Regarding the "debunked fakes" give me links to your revelations. I hope this will not be the same slag that you reposted from Medusa, who posts information without checking it.

You do understand that biological warfare labs was what I was talking about all along. But, as your way is, you simply like playing games.

I still think it's important for deranged people to hear sense, not to let them live on their bubble not being able to mirror themself against the world. I know there are professionals that get paid to listen to them but i find it my duty to help. Also when they are paid russian trolls, we are maybe not getting paid enough to talk with them, but letting them normalize lies is just something i will fight back, at least on the days i happen to have more energy to do that.

But yeah, obviously what he is saying is nonsensical. Even that reply to me now

Of course there are bio labs in Ukraine. There are bio labs all over the world in pretty much every country. I was at one a few weeks ago to get blood work done for my annual physical.

You do understand that not all bio labs are biological warfare labs, right?

I'm sure that sooner or later he will come back here again, dropping another wall of text full of Russian propaganda with links to ''very credible sources'', like RT or Konashnenkov. But when someone debunks his fakes, he usually don't bother to reply.