Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 198. (Read 73754 times)

I understand how you can be so easily duped by the banking system. Not all banking systems are the same. Just like the US is fighting Russia through the Ukraine.

But here is the point that answers it about US and Euro bank loans. When the banker gets the signed loan paperwork from the borrower, he deposits this paperwork in an account, just like it was a check or money order. In the same way that a check or money order is money, the loan paperwork is money as well. Then the banker withdraws the money and gives it to the borrower in the form of cash or a bank check.

An even trade. Borrower money to the banker in trade for banker money to the borrower. How do we know this to be true? The bank ledger shows the entries. Loan paperwork money in, and cash or bank check out.

The bank and the borrower created new money together. Most borrowers don't know this. That's why they pay the loan off the second time over the next 10 to 30 years.

If you don't want to believe it, just say so. But if you are seriously interest, study up on what Tom Schauf has to say, and why he is qualified to say it.

The fractional system is simply another system that banks are allowed to use by government to make more money. The families that own the banking system use both methods to get money to help pay for wars that they use to get even more money... like this Ukraine one.

You seem seriously confused about what the fractional system is. You mean you get "fake" money and pay with "real money" or something like that? I would say you need to open a thread in the Economy section.

Other than that, opt-out. It is easier than ever to get out of the fractional system and into a real-no-multiplier money with bitcoin and others. Now, believe that if you are actually borrowing rather than lending, is much much worse.

Wrong! Of course, if BADeckerville happened to be a legal lending institution like a bank in the US, then you are right right. I mean, checks are treated as money. All those little pieces of paper on the floor of the stock exchanges are treated as money at some time in their life. The banks have been given legal permission to treat promissory notes as money... in fact, as newly created money.

The problem is that they are harming the borrowers when they require them to pay the loan off twice. But since the borrower doesn't realize what is going on, there isn't a whole lot he can say.

Search on "Tom Schauf, bank freedom."

In addition, the second payoff money is what the US and the wealthy use to direct US funds and armament to Ukraine. So, the common people are supporting the war without even realizing it, or realizing how.

BADeckerville is an interesting place.  So if you loan me 100 BADecker Bucks today that you created out of thin air and offer without interest, and in 1 year I settle the loan by paying you 100 BADecker Bucks, I've actually repaid you twice (at least!), although I only remember paying you back once....

Okay. Interest. But the thing that I was saying is, that even if there is ZERO interest, the borrower is still paying back the loan at least 2 times.

This makes the interest to be a little thing. Let me say it again, If there is zero interest, the borrower is still repaying the loan twice.

To my way of thinking, this is more important than interest, right? Especially if there isn't any interest, because the interest rate is set to zero, right?

Yet still there is demand for the USD and the EUR worldwide. It would seem that despite the lousy and sometimes irresponsible policies followed by the currency issuers, there is still a dominance. Anyway, it is fine, nearly anyone can opt-out, just buy gold or bitcoin or Picassos and do not hodl USD. Why do you complain?

Now, the guy was talking about lending with interest. My point is that it has not been much interest charged in the last couple of decades.

Not off-topic at all! Here's why. The Ukraine gifts from the US and Europe are paid for by the people of those countries in a very clever way. So, it's all on-topic regarding the way the people pay Ukraine. Here's how it works.

In countries where loans come from the US banking system, or the Euro banking system, the loans aren't really loans. Why not? Because the banks use the promissory notes for the loans as money. Promissory-note/money-in, cash/bank-check/money-out to the so-called borrower. Simply a creation of new money by the borrower and the bank. But only the bank knows it (most of the time).

Then when the people or the government pay the loans back over a period of so many years, they are attempting to pay the loan off the second time. The bank keeps the second payoff and sends it to the elites who are trying to run the world. And these folks are seeing to it that Ukraine gets a whole bunch of that money.

Right on-topic.

Besides, if banks charged negative interest on the loans, they wouldn't be hurt at all. Why not? They were prepaid the money they used to make the loans. They were prepaid this money in the form of the promissory notes.

Your argument in essence is: since it is not perfect, it is not better. That is false logic.

There are a few obvious things you are passing over also:

- You do have at least some choice, as opposed to having to live with the guy (like Adolf Putin, forcing people to fight) forever. Even in cases where there are only two candidates, this creates an incentive to no crap over the people excessively.
- The candidates in many countries pass primary elections, so you effective have a much wider choice that it looks.
- You are probably thinking only US - there are many other countries with representative regimes. Extreme cases like Italy have coalitions of 5 parties and the like, at least 3 new parties - with elected representatives - are new in Spain, the US does have more than two candidates (I still remember Ross Perot), France does have at least 3 relevant parties,... Bottomline, democracies are more fluid than they look.

Now, you say that Democracies are not free because they are subject to constrains and influences. Well, that is the same for any government.



[OFF-TOPIC] all of it.

You are aware that interest rates in EU and US have been nearly 0, even negative in some countries?

This simple and enjoyable cartoon, which I watched well before Bitcoin was born, ultimately made me a LOT of money.  I tell my friends all the time that if one just takes the time to learn what 'money' actually is these days, it is kind of difficult NOT to be wealthy.

   Money As Debt - Paul Grignon
   https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZHMCDYB3xzjT/

Equally important, upon learning what money is, decent people will often avoid lending at interest.  While the lender may (or may not) end up doing a little worse financially, the debtor will have a huge advantage.  Often enough the two parties share a common future.  I was watching a speech of some Jewish Rabbi the other day and he claimed that the economic miracle which occurred in pre-WW2 Germany was attributable almost exclusively to the government's policies deprecating usury.

I'm not saying the dude is right, and I don't even know if he's a real Rabbi or some neo-nazi playing one or whatever, but it's worth contemplating:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dOhCYij6T7Ai/

Absolutely top notch point. But what is it all about? Here's what. The US Federal Reserve Bank.

There was good reason to contract with an outside-of-government banking system in the US, to handle the US money at the time. But there was a much worse side to all of it that Congress either didn't know about, or were paid off by the banking system to ignore. Here is what it is, basically. And this is what is behind the whole world problem.

When anybody, company or artificial entity or the government, borrows money from the US banking system, it is really a creation of new money. The bank considers the promissory note to be money, and treats it that way. So, what borrowing money really is, is a trade of one form of money for another form of money... not a loan at all, although they can legally call it a loan.

What this means is that paying off the loan over the next 10 to 30 years is really giving a gift to the banking system.

The newly created money is funneled to the Federal Reserve Bank from local banks, and from there it is passed on to the 12 families that own the Federal Reserve Bank (The Fed, which is a private bank simply licensed by government to handle US money.).

These 12 families (some of which are owned by other of them) are what is controlling the world by screwing the American people over. With its tentacles reaching into many countries around the world, including the countries that use the Euro puppet money, they are screwing the people of all of the G20 nations over.

If you want to see what is behind the Ukraine/Russian war, simply listen to everything that Klaus Schwab says. It has to do with taking over the world and making slaves of us all.

An analogy which matches reality much better is this:  Other children are scared to play with you if you don't hit a third child in the nose when the big bully U.S. kid tells you to.

The problem that keeps oozing in is the Russian kid has a nearly endless supply of DingDongs ahd Ho-Ho's (energy) and will trade with anyone reliably and for a good value...except lately he's tightening up on those kids who hit him in the nose.  And the Saudi kid who also has a lot of Hostess is making a lot of noise switching sides.


There is quite a lot of doubt about that in my mind.  It's looking to me as though Russia has currently one of the most democratic leaderships around, but since it's not something I've studied in depth I will not take a firm stance on it.


That's a hoot.  Censorship is rampant across the spectrum in the 'Western Democracies.'  In fairness, though, it has been a constant fixture and lingering infection in most of the former Soviet Union countries since the union collapsed.


What passes for 'Democracy' in most of the 'developed' countries (and most of the others) is a 'choice' between WEF candidate 1 or WEF candidate 2.  Usually the one labeled 'winner' is either 1 or 2 (regardless of the vote count) which is why there are so many of totalitarian technocrat Schwab's 'young global leaders' labeled 'heads of state' these days and you can tell them by their totalitarian footprint on policy when it is dictated by WEF project goals.  Particularly since the covaids scamdemic was launched pretty much on the first day of 2020.

The RF is shoving itself out of the main dialogue and negotiations groups in the world. Other children do not play with you if you hit them in the nose.

You may FUD democracies and call them whatever, but there is no doubt that the current RF Junta does not represent anyone but themselves - there is not even a doubt there.

Am I justifying a "government in exile" - not really, I mean, France had a government in exile during WWII, you know, nothing that strange. I am saying that if let people speak and run for offices, you wont get a government in exile. Where is the confusion? But that is not going to happen in the RF is it?

Apart, "governments in exile" can be certainly a political tool of foreign countries, so let people choose their leaders and your country will be more resilient to divide an conquer strategies by foreign powers.

And who cares about what EX corrupted Japanese prime minister Yoshiro "Women shouldn't talk" Mori has to say about anything?
It shouldn't really be surprise that right wing misogynists jo who like to hang out with right wing extremist have a crush on Putin and his values.
I am sure that he will be even compensated financially by kremlin.

Your writing is a little confusing, but it sounds like we are in agreement that 'Government-in-Exile' is legit for places governed by non-democratic despotic and tyrannical regimes.  That describes pretty much most of the West with their sham voting, de-pop shot policies, and climate hoax non-sense.  There so happens to be a huge overlap with WEF run countries that I mentioned.

Russia willing, we could lease/rent in Crimea as sort of an 'Embassy Alley' to give the drowning West a life-preserver until the reptilians are imploded.  Location is OK, weather is better than Siberia, and the water supply is back.

As an ex-pat, I would gladly join the USA-AGE_1 (USA Alt Gov-in-Exile, first instance) if I could get travel docs to get my ass from point A to point B globally via a network of 'friendly' countries.

I would also be fairly generous with 'taxes', and especially if they were voluntary and based on services offered.  If the entity turns into shit-heads (inevitable with time) then I'll move on to '_2'.  Obviously also if payment options supported a reasonable sub-set of crypto-currencies.

My hope is that Russia might tentatively entertain such a role as a giant 'Fuck You' to those who are trying to shove them out of global involvement.  Even to the point of not letting Russian individuals compete in international tournaments!  These petty and infantile leadership decisions are something that I cannot in good conscience support, and even if I could, they are the harbinger of a complete collapse...and it isn't hard to see who is standing by to 'reset' things to their liking when it happens.

Yes, but sorry, exile is useless in democracies, it is only in despotic and tyrannical regimes that may appear. I a participative regime with rule of law you can live in the country and say pretty much anything you like, even become president if you convince enough people. So a "government in exile" is just not necessary, you can be the "wannabe government" equally well in the country. In my view Trump is even anti-government and anti-system and is still there you know.

Now, I am aware that there are many caveats on this, but not in the essence.

Probably another Ziocon idea/scam, but they might have stumbled on something:

  https://www.eurasiareview.com/11112022-russian-legislature-in-exile-formed-to-oppose-putins-war-and-regime-oped/

I would welcome an 'American Government in Exile' situated in some desirable locale, and if it has better policies, principles, ethics, etc which align more with the traditions of the republic.  In that case I wouldn't have such an impulse/need to renounce my United States of America citizenship but rather just shift it to the one which I like best.

It would be cool if forward-looking nations with resources and thus a potential future such as Russia who are being cut out of the U.N./WEF 'new world order' and 'global governance' and all of that hot mess just said "Fine, we are sick of your so-called '4th industrial revolution' bullshit anyway and will honor documentation from such a 'government in exile' no problem".

Honestly, it never made any sense to me why it would be 'patriotic' to support a government which has obviously been subverted by an enemy.  Should be just the opposite.  The Ukraine under the current government, the U.S. under the Zionists, and any nation who has a WEF installed lackey at the helm (all 5-eyes, most of the EU), etc, all fit into this category.  All would benefit by one or more 'governments in exile'.

The G-20 (mostly G-7) is already working hard to totally control the movement of anyone with their global 'Digital Vaccine Passport' system so anyone who won't take the de-pop shots will have a heck of a time traveling anyway unless they have enough money for a private jet.  So, it's not it's going to be a cake-walk for anyone who isn't willing to 'own nothing, eat bugs, and be happy'.  Travel, diet, private ownership, and a lot of other 'perks' that we take for granted are simply not in the cards so it make little sense to hope for them (again, unless one is very wealthy and can stay that way.)  Forward looking countries who have some degree of strength (Russia, Brazil, etc) could possibly do pretty well by developing and maintaining the ability to entertain the '10% worldwide' who don't want to become slaves in the technocratic world order.  And could be well positioned when such a utopia falls completely apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUwoYCj8qTE

Most important thing from this stuff is word ''ex''. I love how all thse former politicians, military experts and other people trying to become relevant by sharing their opinion about war, when in reality, their opinion doesn't matter and they don't play any role. And it doesn't even matter which side in this war they support.
And if you already decided to pay attention to what this grandpa said, I don't see nothing interesting in his words. He just said that ''Zelenskyy has made many Ukrainian people suffer''. Not sure how exactly, like he would be responsible that Russia started this war.

False. Yoshiro Mori has no role in the current Japanese government, this is not, as you are trying to imply, any official position from any current representative of Japan, not to mention Japan itself. Just to make it more clear: He is 85 years old and the last time he held the PM office was 21 years ago.

An BTW, just for a character reference an reliability of what he says

On a Sintho culture that values the opinion of the elderly, it may mean something. For the world, nothing. Further more, Japan, at this precise moment, aligns with US decisions mostly (thanks Kim Jong Un).

Japan in one swoop ends Ukraine war.
https://japantoday.com/category/politics/ex-japan-pm-harsh-on-zelenskyy-over-war-in-ukraine
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/11/d84dcf59dc65-refiling-ex-japan-pm-harsh-on-zelenskyy-over-war-in-ukraine.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/11/19/national/politics-diplomacy/yoshiro-mori-critcizes-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine/