Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 194. (Read 77490 times)

As usual. Since you can't seem to get a clear picture of what is really going on, all you can do is spout some psychological, theoretical, meandering junk about ancient history that doesn't fit or have anything to do with what is going on in the war.

Some Ukrainians are positively jubilant about the way things are going in Ukraine:

  Part of Ukraine where bombs will never fall
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eaGGIGlfRKV/

The reasons for this jubilation are becoming more obvious to me by the day.  What is very much more mysterious to me, and has remained elusive for the past year, involves the disposition of the various moving parts in Russia.  Russia is absolutely the main cog/millstone in the machine which is currently grinding up Ukraine, but how much of that is engineered by the chosen?  Relatedly, what is the future for Russia once their current task (which comes down to basically imploding the Collective West) is complete?

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Edit: completely different subject.  Some people are projecting that the nazi dupes are going to hide out in the salt mines of Soledar when the surface is overrun by the Russians (if hit hasn't been already as I write this.)  I suggest that it would be a remarkably bad idea.  A simple bore-hole can result in something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulfDRvObfzs

Again, failing in the principles. RF annexed Crimea and had two army groups in the Donbass. This is unrelated to the current RF government trying to protect "Russians" (the best way to do so is not to let them be killed in a war), it is related to a medieval concept of dominance that Russia, precisely Moscow and St Petersbourgh reserve to themselves.

On regards to your theory of enough Muslims living in an area etc... A simple theory for a much more complex reality (simple, yet wrong, answers for complex problems, I am not surprised you like Trump), it depends a lot on historical context and how the governments are structured. To live in harmony is difficult, but if there is a will to do so, it is possible. It has happened during long periods in history, usually those of most progress.


Wrong - debt can be good or bad, it is about what do you buy with it. Simple example: You use a credit card a 22% interest to buy fancy yet not needed clothes (bad idea) or you borrow at 3% to create a business that generates 15% returns (good idea). Debt simply makes things "shaky" but also gives an edge.

An undeveloped services sector is not healthy. A barrel of oil is pretty much a barrel of oil (not exactly true), an copper is copper...  services are key for competitivity.

In Russia, the service sector is underdeveloped, which in developed countries gives up to 70-80% of GDP. Also in Russia, the habit of living in debt is less developed, which also negatively affects the absolute figures of GDP, but is favorable for a healthier structure of the economy.

So the internets is telling me Russia is the largest country in the world (by a lot). And they have more resources than any other country (by a lot).  So...why are they barely cracking the top 10 in countries by GDP?  

Somebody might say that Islam is a religion. Maybe so. But it is a government, as well.

A person can voluntarily become a Muslim. But if he doesn't want to, one of 3 things will happen:
1. If there aren't enough Muslims in an area, he won't have to become a Muslim;
2. If there are a reasonable number of Muslims in the area, they will nag him in little ways until he becomes Muslim or leaves;
3. If there are a lot of Muslims in an area, they will gradually force everybody else to become Muslims, leave, or they will assassinate/execute them.
That's how Islam grows.

Same said Ukraine. We see it in the fact that the Ukraine government/military started destroying, wounding, and killing Russians and Russia-favoring people in the Donbas area (and other areas) since at least 2014. In fact, it was the Ukrainian military amassing on the borders of the Donbas that caused Russia to move in and protect people in that area.

If Russia had not stepped in, undoubtedly we would have seen a lot more people...
1. leaving the area and moving to Russia;
2. firmly joining Ukraine (Stockholm syndrome);
3. dying.

Ukrainian government methods of expansion are similar to Islam's government expansion methods, even though their religion might be different.

Ukraine, a government of violence... just like Islam.

Apart from your usual bizarre "sources", what Ukraine and Ukrainians do or don't do is not based on what Zelensky decides or says. Fighting in the front is not about one guy  or even a few people in government (in the RF it may be much more like that) because the defence of a country cannot be done without a high degree of support. This is even more true when the enemy is supposedly superior in numbers and has abundant resources (although now that is quite questionable).

The answer is much simpler: Ukrainians do not want to be ruled by Putin from Moscow. It did not go well in the past.


Sure, Italy 2.0 Trillion, RF 2.1 Trillion ... Does this really make you feel more reassured? Is that where your dream of the RF having some hold in Europe is based? From your same source, even without the US doing anything, the sum of Spain and Poland is in GDP the same as the RF. Basically, you are proving one of my points, so thanks.

BTW, the GDP of the RF has not risen, it is shrinking and the forecasts for next year is even worse. Italy's has probably go down, as tourism has been damaged by COVID - and before you say something silly, Euros from tourism buy the same weapons as Euros from oil exports.

It is perfectly valid as for comparison purposes. The GDP of a financial sector buys weapons and manufacturing facilities just as any other. And remember, economically speaking, your beloved leader has managed to get all the EU and other bits of Europe united against him - he is no longer fighting just Ukraine in economic terms. I can only congratulate your Psychos for this achievement that not even the best statespersons of Europe could achieve.

Lastly, a product of 2.1 Trillion for such a large territory and such a large number of people should be something to make you think about. How did the RF got there? Very simple, by the isolation and confrontation politics of the USSR, that Adolf Putin is now implementing. Again, congratulations.


An the RF is far superior in speed. No matter how much the Ukrainian soldiers run to them with white flags shouting "we surrender" the RF troops are victoriously running towards Moscow, to give the great news, even faster.

BTW has anyone noticed that Wagner was one the main "symbols" during Nazism? Interesting name choice.

Russian troops retreat victoriously. Ukrainian Army runs after them in panic.

Got it.

Your information is out of date. According to recent data, in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year, overtaking Italy. But data on Ukraine is difficult to find, according to various estimates, its GDP fell from 30 to 37% over the year, and in terms of GDP, Ukraine now neighbors Ethiopia and Sri Lanka.

And all this is unimportant, because it is not the size that matters, but the structure of GDP. In the GDP of developed countries, a large volume is occupied by services and derivative financial instruments. Therefore, it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Italy and Russia, although they are close in size. Just as it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Ukraine and Sri Lanka, although they are also close in size.

Turns out the Ukraine War has been precipitating for years, as a plan to change the whole world. The Ukrainian people are simply cannon fodder or less. The people of the world who buy into the legitimacy of the war according tho the US government and media, are manipulated puppets.

Watch the short video, and read the Schwab note at the site.


Belarus Drafts Every Male 18 to 60 for the Inevitable War


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/belarus-drafts-every-male-18-to-60-for-the-inevitable-war/
The Ukrainian people are FOOLS! Zelensky has been paid off to sacrifice his entire country. He is the modern-day Judas betraying his own people for a handful of silver. The West wants this war and they are using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder to weaken Russia before they make their invasion to seek justice and retribution for Ukraine. There was a Donbas Referendum of 1994, in which the whole world turned a blind eye to those people who have been denied basic human rights because they are ethnically Russian. This is a premeditated war that they need to collapse the monetary system and get to create Bretton Woods II with digital currencies and sovereign debt will all simply evaporate.

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The theory of the soldiers using their phones and being spotted is technically very dubious, not impossible though. A phone can typically reach an antenna at less than 50 miles, but probably can be detected at 60 miles with proper equipment. I would say in the is the range of the possible.

However, I think is much more likely that military communications themselves are detected. If they were not encrypted, well, it does not get any easier to hit munitions and kill anyone around them. If they were encrypted but geolocated, there is still a good chance that they are interpreted as movement, simply by the volume of communications on the area.

My guess: an increment of comms in the area are detected, this is brought to the attention of "the eyes of the heavenly gods" which may have confirmed supply convoys, too much unexplained movement of vehicles or, if the RF army is stupid enough - and we have seen plenty of that - plain sight supply operations.

We may have not seen the last of this. There are thousands of troops and depots in HIMARS 80km range. In fact I wonder how many of these cases go unannounced.

There seems to be some RF soldiers smoking where they should not in Sebastopol.

https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/58861

On the "crystal ball" I can see that the numbers of RF troops in the south are thinning. I would not discard an Ukrainian advance in the general direction of Melitopol from Zaporilla. A less likely one, a push from Kherson to create a perimeter, strategically convenient but hard to execute.

Blaming troops for using phones isn't most stupid thing that came from Russia. It's not first time when Russians revealed their positions by uploading photos to Instagram or VK. But yeah, at least 400-600 troops in school, with vehicles and ammunition - it's impossible to hide such thing.

I'm not sure from where you're getting information, but from things which I see, Russia have huge loses in Bakhmut direction. They send there Wagner troops mostly. They don't value lifes of their troops much, but it seems that life of Wagner troops is worth below zero. I just remind that Wagner is taking criminals from prisons to fight in Ukraine.
Ukraine loses is also significant there, that's inevitavble unfortunately.

The Bahkmut meat grinder seems to be one of the most unethical hell holes of the modern day. Just send em' in there to hold the lines.

I was a little mixed on war strategy earlier as there was some give and take on both sides, but it's really felt like the past 2-3 months or so Russia has been outplaying Ukraine / the west. Just my opinion. They made some smart retreats from some areas and doubled down on areas to go hard which seems to be having a lot of numbers go their way in a war of attrition.

It's kinda surprising that they admitted significant casualties ("Moskva" sailors say hi from their new submarine assignments).


Aside from the convulsively absurd revenge propaganda (we destroyed the evil HIMARS! and killed 100500 Ukrainians!), Russian MOD also figured out who's responsible for the Makiivka attack... it's the soldiers themselves because they used cell phones and Ukrainians triangulated them. The relatives of the deceased must be thrilled with these findings. As if cramming so many people, vehicles, and ammunition into one building wouldn't be noticeable from any drone or satellite... but they can't possibly blame their glorious generals of being so negligent after months of Ukrainian strikes on ammunition depots etc, can they.

Oh, and some deluded Russian "senator" seems to imply that this attack is a NATO-supported crime against Russian citizens. If even a "senator" is not aware that they're at war, then what can we expect from ordinary consumers of Kremlin fairy tales like Veleor.

Now it's already 89 dead and probably rest few hundreds will be announced as gone without any sign
BTW, Russia already made ''revenge'' for it. They attacked ice arena Altair in Druzhkivka. Maybe some of you already saw this video when moment of attack was caught live on French TV:
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1610044712215257088
Guess what Russia said about it. They destroyed 2 HIMARS systems, 4 RM-70 Vampire systems and killed 120 Ukrainian troops:
https://meduza.io/news/2023/01/03/minoborony-rf-otchitalos-ob-udare-po-skopleniyu-voennoy-tehniki-v-druzhkovke-ukrainskie-vlasti-soobschali-chto-tam-razrushili-ledovuyu-arenu-altair
Here is ice arena looks after attack. I don't see any signs that it was base of military. If things that Russia says would be true, I think that this place would look similar like school in Makeevka after attack.
https://t.me/uniannet/85434
BTW, about destroyed HIMARS. Russia now already had destroyed 27 HIMARS, when Ukraine had only 20:
https://imgur.com/3EsVRw0
So, now Russia destroyed more HIMARS than Ukraine had and Ukraine somehow still manage to destroy occupants using it. It's material for Veleor who said that Russian Defense ministry and state owned media never caught lying.

Ordinary day in Ukraine



BTW it seems that a HIMARS strike aimed (probably) to a munitions depot has also killed between 62 (official RF figure) and 300 (Ukrainian estimate) soldiers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-shells-donetsks-makiivka-hitting-military-quarters-officials-2023-01-01/



Apparently, the RF Chief Psychos think that it is a great idea to make their young unprepared and sometime enslaved soldiers sleep on top of the gun-shells, just in case someone tries to steal them I guess.

Any RF soldier must know how little they care about them dying - there is a lot of people in the RF that are spendable to them.

Ordinary day in Ukraine

Congratulations! You have built the post with the largest length to rational thinking ratio of the thread. I could even say one of the most propagandistic despite the lack of style and effectiveness.

Most of you assertions are wishful thinking... "when Ukraine runs out...", "when Ukrainians realize this or that"... As I said in many posts, patience is important for people who think like you. You can spend lots of time waiting for all of that to happen. Or you whole life waiting for it sometimes.

As of now, none of the facts show any ability from the RF to reach objectives others than wanton destruction and other war crimes and crimes against humanity. No military achievement that could remotely match the death toll and the economic impact for the present and the future.

Keep up the trolling, you are doing a favour to Ukraine.


be, the GDP of Russia is equivalent to the one of just Italy. The manufacturing capacity of Europe is and order of magnitude above the RF. There is no scenario whatsoever in which the RF gains any short of control over Europe, even if the US decided to do nothing.

GPD percentages are effectively what you need to pay for a war. Europe has no shortage of manufacturing capacity, several times in excess of anything the RF may dream of. If you are arguing that the RF could win a war of attrition, you are severely mistaken. These are hard data and facts.

Apart from data, your assertions collide with reality. The RF advance was slowed, stopped and then turned back because the RF does not have the logistics to carry on with the war.

Before Iraq attacked them, Kuwait had (by invested dollars) one of strongest militaries in the world.
However, they all flee once Iraq attacked. You can't buy courage and will to fight

I don't recall ever saying "a little more and the victory of Ukraine is not far off", but I'm guessing that asking you for quote would be too expensive for 15 rubles.

Anyway, the fact that Ukrainians are defending against the attempted genocide doesn't magically make it not genocide. Neither does the possibility of some or many of them surviving the war, win or lose. It is the intent that defines genocide and the intent has been clear throughout, from the Ukrainian state declared as illegitimate by Putin himself to defining every non-putinist Ukrainian as "nazi" to the ongoing missile attacks against civilian population. "They only killed a few thousand civilians" is a weak excuse, I doubt it's gonna fly when the perps face the tribunal.