Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 242. (Read 73667 times)

The 'Western weapons' are nothing more than an excuse to get more Ukroid cannon fodder killed.  Looks a little better to send undesirable races to their death with a non-functional tube strapped to their back than to arm them with a sharpened stick, but clearly the 'leadership' of Ukraine would do that too as long as the conscripts could be made to move in the general direction of the Russian artillery.

When you need weapons from a foreign country to defend your country from a foreign invasion, you're simply being invaded by the country that is giving you the weapons.

I can't remember when USA provide HIMARS or something similar to kurds. So yeah, our case is more close to Israel case then to kurds. USA would not provide HIMARS to us in kurds case 

And yeah, very funny about rf will take something. They're out of armored vechiles for now, and without tanks/ifv/afv you can't siege any big city.

When you need weapons to defend your country from a foreign invasion, it really doesn't matter where they come from.  And yeah, obviously they really do think they can take Crimea back.  Remember back when Putin thought it wouldn't even be a war, just a special operation in response to NATO expansion, and even in the West, the question was not if but how many days until the fall of Kiev?  Would they last through the weekend?
 Maybe a week?  Would Zelensky be killed?  That was 6 months ago.  Do you really think things are going according to Putins plan?  They've given up on Kiev, Nato added two more countries, Sanctions are far more aggressive than anticipated, and basically all the effort over the past 30 years to recover from the collapse of the SU has been erased.  Not to mention the ever growing list a military humiliations.  Their flagship being sunk, the trap bridge over the river, and now somehow they blew up an air field in crimea 250km behind the front line.

Of course, you won't believe any of that because you believe what Putin wants you to believe.  But you must understand that's what is believed by many in the west, Ukraine included.

But what makes you think that relationship is similar of that with Israel and not like with Kurds? And you really believe that UA can somehow take Crimea back (with Crimean kids that were 12 back then are 20 yrs old now and lived all of their adult lives as RU citizens) without Russia activating 2millioin of it's reservist in addition to current 175k troops? Why wouldn't you care for the end goal? If the outcome is all the same, but the difference is only in loss of life (to both sides) that doesn't bother you at all? And I'll ask again, will you concede that the losses will be senseless if/when RU takes Kharkiv/Odesa/Zaporizhzhia/Dnipro... or any and all UA losses can be justified by claiming that they were actually protecting Poland/Europe/freedom whatever...  from Russian orcs?

Danke schön.

My insight also did not escape Ukraine's attempt to concentrate a strike force in the north of the country in the Kharkiv direction. The main problem in the preparation of the Ukrainian counterattack is not even the lack of offensive weapons, but the fact that in response to any attempt to concentrate forces, a high-precision Russian missile follows, so the concentration of forces has to be as covert and dispersed as possible. Which in itself is very difficult, because dispersed concentration is an oxymoron, "like a giant shrimp."

Welll done! Man, you got them nothing escapes your insight. All is fake, all psi games, nothing is happening. There is no concentration of troops, there will never be an offensive, you are all right and RF will just be there forever. In fact, you can move all your troops out, there is nothing coming so no need to keep them there.

Why do you think the RF troops are there? No need.

At first when I saw these two topics, I paused and also confused if they are one with different authors because I have not seen or heard that Russia invaded USA. But the link that provided by BADecker is stated clearly that Russia is really preparing for world war. Because other neighbour countries are also preparing to defense themselves if it happens.
Russian Invasion of the U.S. [In Process]
Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

Yes, this is how it works. I can't see anything illogical in this statement. How does Himars affect culture?


Idc, man. Since they're giving to us weaponry and money, I'm fine with that. In fact, typical "Israel case". USA and Israel HAD, have and will have a lot of disagreements in politic. Despite this was never a reason to Israel to reject american help. So you should try better

Where's suchmoon yelling, false dilemma fallacy, when you need him/her?
You know there are options between compulsory reading of a specific book and censoring import of books based simply on the language. Would the book "Stalin, the friend of Ukrainians" be any better if it was written in English or Moldovan or Polish? Ban the propaganda, why touch scientific journals, kids books, and soap operas for grandmas? But think we all know the answer to that...


Censoring of Russian language in Ukraine started after 2014 coup/revolution, so if we take that as the start of the war, then you are correct. Are there any other examples in the world where a country censors books based on the language they're written in? If you have to censor import of 60% of books already in circulation, then the war is clearly ideological and inside the population.


Might want to dial down on "cultural protectionism" when totally dependent on USA and EU.

What makes you think that USA goals are completely aligned with UA? Have you even considered that the goal of Americans might not be for UA to win, but just to administer the maximum amount of losses on the RU side (and consequently UA)? Will you concede that the losses will be senseless if/when RU takes Kharkiv/Odesa/Zaporizhzhia/Dnipro or any and all UA losses can be justified by claiming that they were actually protecting Poland from Russian orcs?

LOL, what a insight. If occupied regions of Ukraine will connected to Russia through pseudo referendum, it won't change anything. Only Russia and few their allies will consider it as territory of Russia, while rest of world will see it as territory of Ukraine, occupied by Russia. Pretty much like Crimea, DNR and LPR.

It is very interesting to listen to the opinion of the "experts" of fans of raZhist propaganda on the topic "air defense systems that have no analogues"! Is it about the C400, C500 complexes and other useless rubbish standing in the Crimean Autonomous Republic? Tell again the tale about "self-detonation" in 3 places at once?! From the same clowns, these representatives of the raZhist Defense Ministry!

Amnesty Intl's report lines up with a mountain of other evidence and observations from since the 'special military operation' started.

The interesting thing about this is that if the Ukrainians feel more safe in schools and hospitals, and behind human shields, that pretty solidly implies that the Russians are at least making some efforts to avoid such targets.

WWI tactic. In WWII it was reused, mostly by soviets. Again, because of low tactic skills. It's easy to kill everything through artillery and then move forward.


It costs a lot of munitions. Ukrainian soldiers destorying storages with needed artillery projectiles, so in near future this tactic will not be achievable by orc's horde.

And who asks the opinion of Ukraine? When (if) these regions become part of Russia, the river of military aid from the West will turn into a thin stream or dry up altogether. Because it is one thing to help Ukraine defend its territories, and quite another to help Ukraine attack Russian territory. Think about it at your leisure.

Ah yes, the old WWII tactic of artillery bombardment followed by lengthen firing range and infantry charge.

There is one other drawback that hasn't been mentioned yet: It costs a seriously high number of troops killed, especially against an enemy that holds its ground. After all, they are charging directly into machine-gun fire (of which Ukraine has plenty of those everywhere).

Can they keep replenishing the depleted divisions? Yes, but since Russia itself is not being invaded, recruitment is going to be limited - don't expect any soviet-style mobilization of the general population.


Doesn't matter in a war. You see Ukraine even plans to regain Crimea which was annexed 8 years ago. So a referendum will not be recognized by Ukraine.

Ukraine still has a whole month to implement its plan for a decisive counterattack on Kherson. Then there will be a referendum, according to the results of which the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are likely to be reunited with Russia.

Although what am I talking about? Talk about a counterattack on Kherson turned out to be part of an information-psychological operation, in other words, another fake. 

I'll correct you, there is already 16 HIMARS in Ukraine.
Today Ukraine made first attack on occupied Crimea where Russian airbase were attacked:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62482425
It's about 200 km from Ukrainian land. Russian version of accident is like usual - nothing serious didn't happened, just detonation af ammunition

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Zelensky got 13 millions of votes (73,22 %), it was been streamed online, when votes was been calculated:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пpeзидeнтcкиe_выбopы_нa_Укpaинe_(2019)#Xpoникa

There is so many fakes from both sides, since 2014, because of information-war. But it was been a civil-war, or moreover hybrid-war with Russia, because russia supporting separatists. Separatism is criminal, because Ukraine is unitary state, by constitution, and anyone know this.
Khuilo, at 2014-th year, just decided to take few regions per few year, to keep his ratings at high levels.
Crimea, and ORDLO... 8 years of hight rating. Now, the part of Zaporizhska and Khersonska regions...
Simple and primitive: forced occupation of ukrainian regions, and "referendum" then, under the muzzle of guns.
But this can works, in the case, if Ukraine was been federation. But Ukraine - it's unitary state, and it's wrote in constitution, in Article 2.
One more thing... Donbass people was been interested to ask russianians supporting (yeap it's betray of people Ukraine), because Arbuzov must to replace Yanukovich, at 2014-th year.
But The Verkhovna Rada was been selected Turchinov, at 2014-th, with overwhelming majority votes, and he ATO, against separatism and against the russianians terrorists.
Time checking show anyone, why Khuilo take a Crimea. Just to stole a Fleet of the USSR, then betrayed a people of USSR,
and to shooting on Ukraine, by using bombs and rokets.
Another regions did not want such shit, and had the peace, because of this.

Donbass - it's Ukraine, by constitution. The borders were demarked. Ukraine ready to work with ukrainian enterprises, there. But terrorists in ORDLO was been a problem for this works.

I see 93% of supporting Zelensky: https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/03/3/7327647/
If some problems will be with him, anyway, there are exists a democracy procedures.

Possibly you know that Zelensky was selected by the people of the Ukraine. But if you think so, why do you think that way? Do you know where the votes really came from? Did you watch the people vote? Did you count the votes? Or are you only believing what the government tells you?

Perhaps the news from Donbas that shows the people wishing that Russia removed the whole Zelensky regime, perhaps that news is false/fake. Even Zelensky, who has not been in office all that long, admits that the Ukraine has been at war with Donbas for 8 years. Even the biased-in-favor-of-Ukraine, US news media shows a lot of interesting things that show that Ukrainian people are not all that in favor of Zelensky.