Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 245. (Read 73667 times)

In my case it is usually both.  The two are not mutually exclusive.  The opposite in fact.  A good troll almost always contains undeniable truths, or at least interesting ways of looking at things.  That's what makes it effective.

Believe it or not, the main reason I spend any time on this thread is because I would like the whole thing to end out of concern for what are probably a significant majority of Ukrainians who are good people caught up in a bad situation which they are not responsible for.  Every day I am more and more of the opinion that one of the main driving forces behind the conflict is that the current political leadership of Ukraine, and the people above them, is the straight-up genociding of the Ukrainian Slavs generally.  The Ukrainian Nazi-ish creeps too who I don't care much about.  Death by cop Russian.

I also feel that the people of some of the areas of former Ukraine (Donbas for instance) will be better off under the muscular protection of Russia than they were under the current (and probably past) leaderships of Ukraine who were relatively open about the need to exterminate them.  Or at least some of the more loose-lipped of the Ukrainian nationalists were.  Once you put a plan like that into action it is effectively a lose of any moral/ethical claim to an area as far as I'm concerned.  Who here is at all surprised by Ukrainian generals stating bluntly that Donesk _must_ be razed and by seeing banned anti-personnel mines being fired into long lost civilian areas?  I wasn't.  That's how degraded the Ukrainians have allowed themselves to become.  I would put almost nothing past them at this point.  Something has gone seriously wrong with their brains.  Would be worth figuring out what it is someday, but what ever the case, for the here and now, it is what it is.

Sometimes is difficult to tell is they are trolling or if they really believe in half of what they are saying.

 This was is no different from many others that have been led by the Russian supremacists. Confronting one ethnicity with others, using propaganda massively while ignoring any limit to what is human and what is "reasonable" in war.
Smoke-screening with stupid arguments about "west" versus "east" (as if killing was a culture), accusing others of nazism while behaving as such, denying everything (Even denying there is war!!) ...

Up to the point of complaining that the RF artists are no longer invited to play abroad while they kill the old and the young alike. I wonder how many people in the RF really believe the crap or they are just trying hard to believe it so that they do not feel part of the scum of the Earth.

^^^ Learn foreign languages in Moscow - https://yandex.com/search/?text=learn+foreign+languages+in+moscow.&lr=10130.


https://linguanet.ru/en/?ysclid=l6dswyo4v3204462181

It is a completely normal reaction of the people, whom inadequate education on the border, for several centuries, tried to destroy, both physically and morally - destroying the language, history, culture. Ukraine has the right to restore justice, put in place a bastard education, and restore its statehood in the form that Ukraine itself deems necessary. And the opinion of world terrorists, murderers, thieves, rapists is not interesting to us! From the word completely and in general!
Reading you, I now absolutely clearly understand why Russia was friends with Nazi Germany, and started the Second World War. Why then, in a matter of months, she surrendered a huge territory. Why did the Russians massively go over to the side of Nazism. Why did the population of Russia so happily met the Nazis and served them. And why, after 1945, the Kremlin began to massively write fairy tales about traitors Ukrainians, Belarusians, Chechens, and others, cowardly shielding their MASS traitors! You, and your thinking, are a great example for me to prove it

By the way, you still haven't answered the question: "where in Moscow you can get an education not in Russian, but in Ukrainian and others." And you yourself know very well why you can study in Russian in Ukraine in Kyiv (although you deliberately lied that it was impossible, that the Russian language is FORBIDDEN), but in Moscow it’s impossible, and in Moscow, as well as in Russia, there is a ban on learning in Ukrainian, a ban on libraries, a ban on broadcasting Ukrainian channels,... You know, you know!

I assume you mean this?



If you really think it makes sense to ignore anything written by the west (free press) and only believe reports that are pro Russia or coming from Russian media (which is largely controlled by Putin), then obviously nothing will change your mind.  But if not, and you've realized how ridiculous your points have been in the past like this one ... have a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022) and then let me know if you really think the first month of the war went mostly according to plan for Putin.

How not ashamed to lie so STUPIDLY!?

In Ukraine, there is no ban on the Russian language, in Ukraine, after 2014 years, a sharp drop in interest in a language that turned out not to be a carrier of culture and history, but a means of terror, a pretext for murder, looting, and violence. The population rejects it en masse. Although the state and even private educational institutions continue to provide such a service. In Kyiv, for example, there are about 20 schools where you can study COMPLETELY in Russian.

Now show me how many schools in Moscow where you can fully study at:
- Ukrainian
- Tatar
- Chechen
- Moldovan
- Tajik
Or is this again a "completely different story", as you usually say when they poke your nose into what you are doing, attributing it to others?
So there is no need to hysteria and primitive, stupid lies to scatter here. This is not Russia for you - here people think and know the truth

Sure, let's do that with London as well:



According to your theory, India should be in charge quite a few boroughs of London and Indi made an official language, the rest belong to the Middle East states and many to Ethiopia, so Ethiopian, Urdu, Farsi, Romanian, Polish,... all official.


Oh... so the Ukrainians are right when they call the Orcs "tourists". Putin is still calling this a "special operation", yet he is at war. Nothing of what he says can be trusted (any enemy communication is by definition disinformation). However you can rely on facts:
- 2014, Putin says "I could take Kyiv in 2 weeks if I wanted".
- 2022 - Official declarations "de-nazify" & "de-militarise" (you tell me how that is done without taking Kyiv.
- March 2022 - a Four pointed offensive towards Kyiv.
- March 2022 - Intense fighting in localities around Kyiv.

Sounds more like: "I can't have it, so I do want it".

More and more, the people of Ukraine are asking Russia to deliver their country from the Ukrainian government. Looks like Ukrainians are coming to understand that the US-installed Ukrainian government is using them (the people) for its own profit, and not for theirs.


Massive escalation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine being planned as Donetsk People’s Republic leader seeks “liberation” of “all Russian cities” in Ukraine

Only if the country is actually democratic and asks people about their opinions.

Are you trying to say Hitler asked the Germans if he should gas Jews in camps or not and acted only after he got the majority of votes?
Putin surely asked the population if he should attack Ukraine and the majority said yes, which is why soldiers were told they'd go to Belarus for training, took a nap in transport trucks and woke up in Ukraine.

That's a nice theory you got there.

The same famous russian culture you say huh?


Summing up, Id say fuck you and fuck your russian culture. This stuff should be banned in every single country that cares about its national security.

Ah yes, 'Masha and Bear'.  One of the few kids shows which doesn't peddle pure degeneracy, idiocy, fagotry, etc.  A lot of the crap comes from Ukraine, but in fairness I have to give a nod to 'Dave and Ava' which is out of Ukraine and is pretty OK, and point out that the worst is from China although I suspect it is pumped out for Western consumers only.  UkuLele is another good show and it happens to be Russian well.  I gotta pay some attention to this stuff on account of being a parent and all.

When I was figuring out where should be my '2nd option' for expatriation reasons I didn't even consider Russia.  To a degree I'm sure that it was a result of a lifetime of tension between my country Russia and the consequent propaganda, but also I was working under the a conception of the society as a late Soviet and early post-Soviet conception of the society.  Honestly, the kids shows more than anything have given me the idea that there may be sprouts of a relatively promising future society in that nation.  I still consider it to be as 'deep state-ee' and politically corrupt as the U.S., and to have it's share of dangerous and unpleasant people, but as a trend things are looking positive from what I can see.  The whole West is on a steep negative trajectory.  I've been researching a '3rd option' off and on while we see the 'great reset' progress, and Russia is on my list now.

Edit:  In addition to the Jewtube kiddie show quality, the quality of the posters on this very thread certainly played a role in my recent warming toward Russia.  And, of course, the conduct of the Russians both diplomatically and militarily through the special military operation in Ukraine so far.  Of course this is compared to the Western complements so it isn't that high a bar for Russia to meet to look pretty sterling.

Exactly. But with a little clarification: Such statement was fair before the war. Now i think that around 90 % of russian books and authors will be canceled by ukrainian audience. But this is fair I think

Repeating this doesn't make it true. I'm sure great literary works of Russian authors can still be translated and printed in Ukrainian, and perhaps even imported in the original language under one of the exceptions.

Considering shit like this in children's books issued by the "liberators", the restrictions seem about right:


(edit: fixed the image)

Alright there's no official language in US on federal level but most states have English as official language at the state levels, but English is definitely a national and regional language in US of A, so my point still stands.

Banning books of minorities decided by the majority, of course majority can always decide to stop discriminating if they wish to vote so, tyranny of the majority at it's finest. Guess technically Jews could always stop the concentration camps if they had majority in Nazi Germany... Cause you know discrimination and racism is always decided via majority vote

Wrong about what? Which of those languages is an official language in the US?


Ukraine's president's website has a Russian version too:

https://www.president.gov.ua/ru

But by all means please let me know the new location of the goalposts.

Wrong again https://www.city-data.com/states/District-of-Columbia-Languages.html
but US of A does have Spanish radio stations and lots of government documents are available in Spanish, especially in southern states https://www.whitehouse.gov/es/ look even US of A supports Russian speakers  
You might wanna re-read johhnyUA post just above, i didn't believe it before but that's what i'm hearing now

You're saying it because it's something you've heard many times before from people that support Russia's invasion. 

It's not true though.  It's a lie that exists to justify Russias actions and thus increase Russia support.

US of A


People decided, via elections. They can decide differently in the next election, but...


... to no one's surprise (except feigned one by kremlinistas here) Russian language is losing its appeal during the invasion so I'm guessing the next election won't be favorable to that effect.

You might not be aware, but people can speak more than one language. The requirement to learn the official language of the country you live in (for example to be able to use government services) does not prevent you from using whatever other language(s) you speak, and isn't racism or discrimination. Every country including Russia works like that.