Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 246. (Read 68164 times)

We can only conclude that you're sheep whose mind is controlled by MSM

By the way, an interesting observation: everyone noticed that after problems arose in Russia, after its terrorist attack on Ukraine, ALL THE WORLD TERRORISM ORGANIZATIONS SILLED !!! A similar situation was when the USSR again "rose from its knees" and begged all over the world for at least some food, when there was no money for their fosterlings like ISIS, Hamas and the like. Coincidence ?

Since, despite having the best resources and starting position out of all former soviet republics, Ukraine was still far worse economically than Russia,
only conclusion could be that people are generally stupid and didn't "elect power" properly

You do not quite understand the essence of the normal structure of the state and the role of the people, or you live in Russia
In Ukraine, power is not a sacred value, as, for example, in Russia, where even a crazy under-furrer can rule the country and everyone will worship him. In Ukraine, power is elected by the people, and if necessary, the people are removed, and even ahead of schedule An example of this is 2014 and the cowardly thief Yanukovych. Having all the power and strength, he was still forced to cowardly flee to Russia.
I am not a supporter of Zelensky, and I am sure that he will have to answer for many of the "unpleasant stories" that have occurred during his term since 2019.

Yeah, you like to take the opposite stance of reality.  It's fun to pretend you're more intelligent than everyone else. No different than your 'global cooling' argument.

He said some people. Technically, he cannot be wrong. 

Now seriously, the only ones interested in talking about Poland is the psychos at the Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland Tales in Moscow. Poland is current running all short of risks to create a continuous flow of help to Ukraine, both social, economical from the West and from their own.

Compared to size and resources, Poland is the country that has supplied more weapons and supported the major civil immigration support to and from Ukraine. They even wanted to send MIGs to Ukraine and it was the US that said no.

Millions of immigrants accepted and supported.

https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2022/number/3/article/the-war-in-ukraine-and-migration-to-poland-outlook-and-challenges.html


https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/poland-is-third-largest-donor-of-military-aid-to-ukraine-states-bbc-report-31474

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218



It is evident that Poland is supporting Ukraine, and, if they were given the go ahead by NATO, their soldiers would be at the eastern front helping to fertilise the soil with the corpses untrained and forced young Russians.


 

If you ever see this 8-years shit, you should know that it's a quite mediocre russian bot right in front of you.

Nice video. But let's get acquainted with the organizers of thsi rally, they are very interesting guys.

1. Piotr Rybak
Piotr Rybak is an entrepreneur who is now associated mainly with anti-Semitism and nationalism. He was convicted by a court of burning an effigy of an American Jew with George Soros' Hungarian ancestry. According to the nationalist, the multi-billionaire wants to destroy nation-states and promote liberalism. Although Soros has no ambition to ruin Polish patriotism, he is considered by the extreme right-wing circles as the enemy number one.

2. Wojciech Józef Ryszard Olszański
3. Marcin Osadowski

Olshansky advocates an alliance with Russia and supports the rule of Alexander Lukashenko.[3][7] Wojciech also claims that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist or is controlled by the US military.[3] He claims that the United States is Poland's worst enemy.[16] His views are anticlerical.[17] In his programs, he very often offends the LGBT community.[18] At the end of 2020, on one of the recordings, he stated that Claudia Jahira (Polish), a member of the Civic Coalition, was a specimen for rape.[11] In the same piece, Olshansky and Osadovsky insulted activist Marta Lempart. After the statements about Yahira, the Center for Monitoring Racist and Xenophobic Behavior demanded that YouTube remove the channels of Olshansky and Osadovsky and reported this to the prosecutor's office.[19]

Marcin Osadowski. I'll be damned if this guy doesn't have the biggest CP collection in Poland.

So how do you like this company?

Yeah, OK.  Whatever you say there, chief.

Putin killed more Donbas residents in the first couple of months of this war than have been killed in the prior 8 years of "shelling" (many civilians deaths were actually caused by Russian landmines). No one was stuck in any bomb shelters, in fact some Donetsk residents are now finding that their bomb shelters are inaccessible but the mayor is calling them "Ukrainian agents" for daring to complain. Wonderful life in the liberated Donetsk Ponzi Republic.

They are against the unification of Poland and Ukraine.

Again wrong. Only half of them in 2014 and zero now.
Half of Donbass citizens had run to Ukraine after russian-supported criminals took the power into their hands.


ZioNazi, lol. Antisemitic talk. But i'm not surprised


And why Ukraine didn't shell russophone cities like Odessa or Mykolaiv? But from your words it shell Donbass people. What a difference?


Isn't it? So, what your thoughts about the reason of this actions? I should remind you, that such "phase-1" cost russian army too much. I see a lot of dead russian soldiers (around 37 bodies near Ivankov) and burnt vechicle. So russian government lost a lot of people, tanks and everything else just for fun?

It seems some people in Poland had it enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FIlSda5uxg

The people of the separatist areas where the Russians put their focus actually did.  It's actually truly heart-warming to see them greeted by old ladies and such people who've been stuck in bomb shelters for 8 years as the ZioNazi's shell them in an ethnic cleansing campaign.  Just because they were born in families who spoke the wrong language.


If anything I would say that the Russians bent over backward to NOT 'take Kiev' and to keep 'their president' among the living.  Zelenski is the worst thing which every happened to Ukraine (or at least the worst thing for a long time) and consequently is a giant boon for the outcome of the special military operation that the Russians and the separatists are undertaking.  And he's a gift which keeps on giving!

It's hard to believe that anyone could be ignorant enough to believe that the phase-I faint up around the Kiev area was an attempt to militarily 'take Kiev', but I have to admit that there probably are some people who are.  And it's possible that you really are one of them.

Uhhh.... You know Ukraine didn't invite the Russians in to visit right? Russia tried to topple the government, take kiev and kill their president.
All Russia has to do is get the fuck out of Ukraine and stop blowing things up.

Epic juggling and manipultations by Veleor.

A little math:


25th of March - 35 bayraktars out of 36 - destroyed (the Russian Ministry of Defense)


Before start of the war : 25 bayraktars at service.
Since February 24: + 50 bayraktars
Total - 75 bayraktars


So, at April 15th there still was around 72 drones.

So, I have just one question:


To those who didn't get it

From russian words russia destroyed 35 bayraktars by March 25
Ukraine at total has 75 bayractars (by 28th of June !!! )
Russia at April discovered 72 bayraktar drones.

35 + 72 = 107
It exceed total number of ukrainian bayraktars even from future delivers (because 75 is number at 28th of June, again)



This is not "ukrainian channel". This is russian telegram channel is trying to mimic ukrainian source.

Two main proofs:
1. Russian nationalists consider it as russian. Here is channel "Bulba de thrones" and his quote:

https://t.me/bulbe_de_trones/1108

2. Ukrainian consider this channel as Russian intelligence. Infromation from ukrainian Center countering Disinformation (ЦEHTP ПPOTИДIЇ ДEЗIHФOPMAЦIЇ пpи PHБO Укpaїни):


Oh, what do we see here? You channel "resident", ha ha. Ukrainians consider it as russian informational warfare. And even russian nazionalists consider it the same! So sad for you!


Yep, this is what it is - a lie that has nothing to do with reality.


Yep. Even 72 drones are not so much to counter russian horde. So the fact that ukrainian defence orders as much as it can - do not tell about anything in general.


Because Ukraine don't produce light combat drones by itself. And western countries even now do not allow to order something from them. Easy answer.


Of course yes, so we have a neutral source for such information.
Oryx blog

Due to Oryx information (strong cheked) Ukraine lost 9 Bayraktar TB2 UCAV

This is not exact number, since Oryx add only those with visual proofs. For example, russia lost TWO su-25 aircraft since the start of war, but at Oryx list there is only 1, because second one was lost on russian territory and there no photo about it (for obvious reasons).

1st loss - 03.04.2022


2nd loss (kind of ironic) - 05.27.2022

https://t.me/fighter_bomber/7384

fighter_bomber is russian avia channel with a lot of ruskies propaganda about brave russian pilots killing "filthy nazi".

Edited: Grammar

>one of the Ukrainian Telegram channels

Everyone has long known that this channel, among many others, is russian psyop. You know this too (as I see, your soo deep in the context unless you received a ready post by email), but since it doesn't fit into the concept, you decided not to mention it. Given this, everything else you wrote can be called into question and someone will surely point you to this.
Gotta try harder.

MOSCOW, 3 Jul - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian forces fired Tochka-U missiles and Reis drones into Kursk and Belgorod Regions on Sunday night, the Defense Ministry said.
"Tonight, from 03:00 to 03:30 (Moscow time), the Kiev regime carried out a deliberate strike by Tochka-U ballistic missiles with cluster munitions and Tu-143 Reis drones against residential areas of Belgorod and Kursk, where there are no military facilities," the agency said.

https://ria.ru/20220703/udary-1799888429.html

Bayraktars TB2. How many were in Ukraine, and how many were destroyed by the Russian army.


Reminded me of the “Chinese whispers” game, when the original information is distorted by passing through several people. To get uncorrupted data, it is necessary that none of the transmitters spoil it along the way.

5 . I'm quoting LTU_btc
4 . . LTU_btc is quoting Medusa
3 . . . Medusa is quoting Proekt
2 . . . . Proekt is quoting Defense-UA <--- the weak link was found
1 . . . . . Defense-UA is quoting the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
0 . . . . . . Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - the source



In short: 62 is the total number of drones ordered by Ukraine in 2021 (37 + 25): 37 units are Ukrainian drones ("Fury" and "Spectator") and 25 are bayraktars TB2. The presence of bayraktars in Ukraine in the amount of 60 to 96 units was reported this week by Ukrainian sources.

Having made a little effort to find original information, it becomes obvious that the so-called journalists from the "Proekt", in their attempts to accuse the Russian general staff of lying, are themselves carrying nonsense. I wonder, besides such "journalists", were there any official statements by the Ukrainian military command that the Russian Ministry of Defense provides falsified statistics on bayraktars? After all, this may raise questions from Turkish suppliers and other military departments cooperating with the Ukrainian side. I've tried to find messages by the name of Konashenkov on the Facebook pages of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but no results.

Here is a comment from the "Proekt" website about the bayraktars, translated from Russian into English:

The fact that this is not a typo, and they are talking about 62 bayraktars, is confirmed by this video on their YouTube channel (time code 08:50). According to the "Proekt", for 100 days of the conflict (i.e. until June 4 2022), the RF Ministry of Defense reported about 75 destroyed bayraktars.



The journalists of the "Proekt" referred to the Ukrainian website Defense-UA. If you go to that site, then it talks about 62 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), and 25 of the 62 drones were to be delivered at the beginning of 2022.



The same Ukrainian source suggested - based on the money spent - that among the new UAV delivered to Ukraine there could also be bayraktars TB2's. Prices are $3.5 million for 37 drones and $108 million for 25 drones. Considering that the price of bayraktar TB2 = $5 million, there simply could not be bayraktars among those 37 units.



It must also be said that this nonsense about "62 bayraktars" was picked up by some Ukrainian media (1, 2)

Screenshot of the "Proekt" website, whose founders are spreading fakes.
Would it be better instead of drawing colorful pictures, they double-check the information published on their site, or is this not part of their main duties? Why do users have to search for everything themselves, wasting their time?



Now, that we have dealt with the lies of the "journalists", let's try to figure it out how many bayraktars in Ukraine were reported in more established media.

Information that Ukraine had from 20 to 50 bayraktars by the beginning of the Russian invasion was published by a number of media resources (AP, Forbes, FT, CNN, Reuters, Bloomberg, Report, DW, MWM, TSN).

On March 25, 2022, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported about 35 bayraktars destroyed out of 36 in total in service with Ukraine, then, apparently, the Russian side was guided by the same sources as the CNN, Reuters and Bloomberg at that time.


Translation of the line № 7: "UAV Bayraktar TB2. In service on 24.02.2022 = 36, Destroyed = 35 / 97% Loss"

Of course, no one except the military leadership of Ukraine knows the exact number of Turkish drones they use, as well as their losses. And even official statements by different parties to the conflict, most likely, will not mean the true state of affairs, since information is a weapon in capable hands.

However, this week news was released on the above-mentioned Ukrainian website Defense-UA, and it turned out that Ukraine had from 60 to 96 bayraktars in service, considering that one bayraktar complex contains 6 drones (*):



In addition to that, the Russian Ministry of Defense in mid-April reported that it had discovered 12 bayraktar complexes (72 drones).

Some forum users do not trust official Russian sources, in which case, is there a way for them to at least approximately find out how many bayraktars were destroyed in Ukraine?

On May 10, 2022, one of the Ukrainian Telegram channels, citing a source in the presidential administration, said that 50 bayraktars were lost.



Even if this is a lie that has nothing to do with reality, then don't you think it's strange that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, constantly suffering from a lack of resources, needed to order a dozen more of these drones (which not the cheap) and Ukrainian volunteers are organizing a fundraiser for the purchase of Turkish drones. Here comes another question, why do they not want to buy drones of Ukrainian origin, but instead they are sponsoring the Turkish president's Erdogan family, whose son-in-law is a chief technology officer at Baykar company? It seems that Ukraine, with the support of Russia, is helping the Turkish military-industrial complex to enrich itself by sending expensive drones on suicide missions, while Russia is solving the problem of disposing of old Soviet ammunition on Ukrainian soil.

It's precisely clear that it is not in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of any country to publicly report on the amount of their destroyed equipment. This will undermine the morale of the soldiers and cool the ardor of the allies who send help. However, if the Ukrainian high military command doesn't comment at all on the briefings of the Russian Ministry of Defense, according to which about ~ 90 bayraktars have already been liquidated, then this may lead to some questions. Literally, an entire army of combat drones was destroyed.

The window below contains links to the briefings of the RF Ministry of Defense on the destroyed bayraktars. I got 85 (35 + 50) + another 10 (questionable) and two hangars with Turkish drones - this is from February 24 to June 21. The difficulty in the calculations is that after March 25, the Russian Ministry doesn't conduct a subset (I didn't find it), and some briefings close in dates and the same information is sometimes duplicated or intersected.

Lisichansk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-5iUErvC3w