Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 248. (Read 77398 times)

Look at the Ukrainian military hiding behind their civilian population.


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Oh no, I wasn't trying to compare Ukraine's book bans that took place after being invaded by, and while still at war with Russia, and long standing Russian policy.  They aren't the same thing at all.

I thought I was against banning any book for any reason....but I have to admit "that country just invaded us, unprovoked and have been running around calling us nazis, blowing up random buildings and murdering thousands of random civilians in our country for the past 6 months, Putin is doing to us what Stalin did to Ukrainians a couple generations ago"  seems like an acceptable excuse to ban imports of books from Russia/Belarus, and inspecting all Russian books for Russian propaganda.

Ah whataboutism, there's no hypocrisy or double standard that it cannot justify. Weren't you taught that whataboutism cannot apply when creating laws? And is actually called discrimination in law. But i must agree it's a convenient tool to prevent population from questioning any and all laws.

If your logic leads you to the following conclusion, think it's safe to say that you're on the wrong side of the argument:
Masha and the Bear = brainwashing children, needs to be censored, require exceptions to import
Mein kampf = totally fine for unlimited circulation without age restriction

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You seem to be confusing censoring 60% of all of the books on UA market based only on the language they're written in and censoring eight specific books.  

Fu ... well, you disappointed me! Is it shallow there? And where, for example, "the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been destroyed by 397%", or "The United States is already on its knees"? ))

Now a bit of reality, instead of your systemic propaganda lies ... Although STOP!
I am now giving a map of hostilities, with the designations of the occupied territories, and territories under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Further there will be a link for everyone, where you can watch the development of events in Ukraine in dynamics. I do not hide anything, I submit it in primary sources. And now, after your next "squeal" about the "new victory of the second army of the world," try to explain why the captured cities .. were not captured?

The real picture of the situation, which, out of habit, misrepresented, be.open:

1. Avdiivka
picture upload

2. Squeaks


3. Bahmut


Can you prove otherwise? Well, try it!


And most importantly - do not forget to write about the scale of the losses of the "second army of the world" ... More precisely, about the "second army of the third world" ))

And so - the original source with the chronology: https://deepstatemap.live/#6/49.438/32.053

In the lower right corner there is a clock icon, click and change the time, watch the changes on the map.
Clue:
- pink color - territories temporarily occupied by terrorists from Russia.
- pig muzzles in helmets - groups of Russian troops

 

They tried so hard ... They collected so much information garbage ... But in the end, like the USSR: "The end of capitalism" .... and after a couple of years, the crappiest union in the form of the USSR fell apart
Tell me - where is Rush Today undergoing such USELESS training for information bots? And you are paid with food or simple paper letters "For the victory in the world, which we envy, but pretend to hate"?

Well, the Sands are taken. There are significant successes in Avdeevka and Artemovsk (Bakhmut). The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction is again postponed, for the next year or never. The topic of Ukraine becomes boring, especially against the backdrop of another act of the Marlezon Ballet between Israel and the Gaza Strip and the growing tension around Taiwan. And Russia still does not run out of either missiles or combat Buryats.

Why you and other kremlin trolls blind about all other sentences in Aticle 10 of Constitution of Ukraine?

For example: "The official language of Ukraine is ukranian"
That means, that you need to know this language and if you're a government worker you need to operate trough this language. If you're asian, in Britain you will communicate with other people trough english, not chineese or vietnameese.

Or: "The use of languages in Ukraine .... determined by law".
So, while you can't directly ban russian language, you can to determine it spheres of use with easy, through laws. I can't forbid you to communicate in russian, but i can forbid you (and it will be constitutional) to teach students or to listen it on ukrainian radio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEPWgMXut_8

“I think the President of the Ukraine is not all that he’s portrayed as by the Western media,” Mr Bernardi said.

Some better whataboutism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments



https://web.archive.org/web/20110626083725/http://www.minjust.ru/ru/activity/nko/fedspisok

whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabo ut fucking hell do they not teach you anything else in the Kremlin troll academy LOL

But yeah, if Mein Kampf was being used by Russians to brainwash children in occupied territories, the import restrictions would likely apply to it as well.

A strange performance in Kyiv was staged by the relatives of the captured Azov militants who died from the HIMARS strike on Yelenovka. Can anyone explain what this means?

I'd be hard pressed to come up with a dumber example as justification to put "severe restrictions" on books. Just because you found a book you disagree with? I'm sure there are no books in other languages that contain controversial topics? With such high standards for books, surely "mein kampf" would be "restricted" too right?  huh, of course not, doesn't even need an exception  

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Good point wasn't even aware.

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No, you completely missing the point. Democracy doesn't prevent discrimination, bigotry, racism... In fact, opinion of the masses should have no baring on questions of ethnic discrimination against minority

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Think you got yourself into a corner there, if not by amount of speakers, how do you think all other countries pick their official languages on national and regional levels?? Should Canada and Finland add Aramaic as their official language instead of French and Swedish?

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I'm sorry, but only an imbecile can truly believe that a language can be "a means of terror, a pretext for murder, looting, and violence." Perhaps you hit the nail on the head, and inadvertently pointed out the root cause of the issue. Asking if a language can be all those things, could be sort of a litmus test. I strongly suggest you reevaluate your position on the language (not asking you to reconsider events or people, but the language itself), and going forward question any sources that made you come to such conclusion.

I would say the same thing if Russia, or any other country for that matter, put in "severe restrictions" on any books based solely on the language the books are written in. Honestly, I'm quite shocked that i even have to explain that censoring books based on the language is bad!

You see, that would never occur in the RF. Meaning that it would be impossible for anyone to get that close to Adolf Putin's car - not even to Adolf Putin's dog's car. The Tzar has been known to stop and clear traffic from several streets in Moscow when he decides to travel by car.

The argument itself is, as you say stupid. This guy is fighting a lost battle trying to compare the limits to liberty in US or Europe to the despotic limits to expression and the extent of the repression in RF.

First world problems - tired to read news about war. At least don't write such bullshit. Now I'm spending my vacations time very well and simply enjoy life, but at the same time thoughts about war comes to my head that people in Ukraine is living in war almost 6 months, many people lost their home, lot of young men dying in front every day and their families won't see them returning from war. And it's unfair. And this guy is tired of hearing about war...

Lol. You tired. But imagine how this is to people who live in Ukraine, especially those in Kharkiv or Mykolayiv, who is shelling bu russian scum day after day. So man, you should stop to write such things, that you're tired. And yeah, gnome putin will not stop. The only way to end this war is to break ridge to russian neoempire.

Ukrainische Soldaten nicht kapitulieren.

What is the main thing Russia is needed to end this war? I am really tired of hearing Russia and Ukrain war. This war has been on for about 7 or 8 months or there about. It is that the war is giving them what they want? Why the war? What is the war all about? Russian President should call off the war because war is bad, it displace persons from their original homes. And makes life unbearable.

This...is such an incredibly stupid and invalid argument.  I can't even...

Cheknihiv, Sumi - armed resistanse.

Kherson, - a lot of antirussian demonstarations (1, 2, 3). Through links we can see that demonstration against russian occupation were crowded and there a lot of them in first months. And now, after russians started to kidnap and kill people (typical "liberators") resistanse became more  radical. From demonstrations, to the armed covert ops. Kherson partisans exterminated a lot of russian collaborators, like extermination of Sekhey Tomko or explosion of Dmitry Savluchenko

The same story in Melitopol. Energodar, and many other occupied cities.

Good article about partisans - https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/524164-pust-kollaboranty-boyatsya-kak-partizany-soprotivlyayutsya-rossiyskoy-okkupacii-na-hersonshchine


First video - four grannies and one old man. Second video - one woman. 6 people in sum. Yep, looks like true story.
But interesting moment: population of cities under occupation decreased a lot. For example, in Severodonetsk, was around 100k of citizens. And after "denazification" - only 10-20. All other run away (to Ukraine in most, i have few friends from this city) or died.
 
So, even if all who stay in the city would welcome russian, this would be only 10-20 % of city population before the war.


Exactly. Due to OSCE reports at least 1200 people were tortured from 2014 to 2015 by so-called "popolchentsi". And yeah, in 2021, again due to OSCE only 7 civillian people died in Donbass region, 5 of them due to land mines.



Omg, this is excellent. I will add this moment to my thread Deep dive intro culture of russia-Ukraine war

This one is a brilliant example to my update about russian @culture_context

But, maybe it will be better to let me quota myself:



I hope this will be useful to understand russian a little bit more.  

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