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legendary
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Russian missile hits an apartment building in Odessa region, kills 20 civilians including children. Were they training to join Azov in 20 years?

The children were obviously dangerous neonazi commanders who had nuclear and biological weapons in their rooms. Roll Eyes The longer a war goes on, the more terrible it becomes. judging how cruel Putins minions were at the beginning, I would not be surprised if Ukraine gets nuked by the end of the year. Cruelty just keeps stacking on. Tbh, on both sides at this point. Just yesterday I saw a video of Ukrainian soldiers bragging about executing POWs. Whether people say its justified or not, do they not understand they are hurting their own cause? War turning people of both sides into animals. Its sad to see.

If this war isn't stopped soon, shits going to get crazy.
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Russian missile hits an apartment building in Odessa region, kills 20 civilians including children. Were they training to join Azov in 20 years?
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In Lysychansk, fighting broke out between soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and fighters of nationalist formations. This became known from intercepted talks in the area.

According to the Zvezda TV channel, AFU units are trying to leave the city. However, barrier troops are standing in their way and shooting all retreating units. Note that the allied forces are actively taking Lysychansk under their control. So far, they have succeeded in liberating the city's oil refinery. Ukrainian formations were using its territory as a staging post.

https://voennoedelo.com/posts/id26263-4lul486lmytb5kufeq6w

And where is those "intercepted talks" ? When ukrainians intercept something, we publish it to all to hear. And in your link there is another link to Zvezda tg post (here it is - https://t.me/zvezdanews/84250) without any proofs. Just a guy with a micro tells to us that "this is true, 146 %, believe to me people. Blya buduGrin
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In Lysychansk, fighting broke out between soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and fighters of nationalist formations. This became known from intercepted talks in the area.

According to the Zvezda TV channel, AFU units are trying to leave the city. However, barrier troops are standing in their way and shooting all retreating units. Note that the allied forces are actively taking Lysychansk under their control. So far, they have succeeded in liberating the city's oil refinery. Ukrainian formations were using its territory as a staging post.

https://voennoedelo.com/posts/id26263-4lul486lmytb5kufeq6w
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The Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales must have been under budget cuts to come out with the story of "good will gesture" to leave Snake Island. I confess I had a good laugh at that one.

Despite how fancy and cool this island looks from the strategic point of view (perfect for early warning or as naval base) Ukraine decided long ago that is much easier to attack than to defend. The RF Chief Psychos had to first loose the Moskva, then a few other minor ships (along with wasting the lives of their crews for nothing) and ground troops to figure it out.

Good gesture my ass.

Russians used their superb science to resurrect dead Snake Island defenders...can you point at better than that Ukrainian
gesture? Ukrainians just want to kill without warning instead

I am missing your point. Irony is fun when well played.

RF had to leave the island forcefully. Pretending that's a gesture is laughable and yes, it did cost them troops, ships and equipment. Ukraine "losses" were a small unit way at the beginning of the war that was probably testimonial. And for what some Kremlin trolls argue, they are not dead, they surrendered.

Nono, they died heroically

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60522454
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The Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales must have been under budget cuts to come out with the story of "good will gesture" to leave Snake Island. I confess I had a good laugh at that one.

Despite how fancy and cool this island looks from the strategic point of view (perfect for early warning or as naval base) Ukraine decided long ago that is much easier to attack than to defend. The RF Chief Psychos had to first loose the Moskva, then a few other minor ships (along with wasting the lives of their crews for nothing) and ground troops to figure it out.

Good gesture my ass.

Russians used their superb science to resurrect dead Snake Island defenders...can you point at better than that Ukrainian
gesture? Ukrainians just want to kill without warning instead

I am missing your point. Irony is fun when well played.

RF had to leave the island forcefully. Pretending that's a gesture is laughable and yes, it did cost them troops, ships and equipment. Ukraine "losses" were a small unit way at the beginning of the war that was probably testimonial. And for what some Kremlin trolls argue, they are not dead, they surrendered.
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Russians used their superb science to resurrect dead Snake Island defenders...can you point at better than that Ukrainian
gesture? Ukrainians just want to kill without warning instead
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Very near future. Paris. Russian tanks on the Champs Elysees. Tankers are sitting in the chantan cafe, drinking freshly brewed coffee, eating croissants, and one of the tankers says:
- Oh, it's a pity that we still lost the information war...
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The Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales must have been under budget cuts to come out with the story of "good will gesture" to leave Snake Island. I confess I had a good laugh at that one.

Despite how fancy and cool this island looks from the strategic point of view (perfect for early warning or as naval base) Ukraine decided long ago that is much easier to attack than to defend. The RF Chief Psychos had to first loose the Moskva, then a few other minor ships (along with wasting the lives of their crews for nothing) and ground troops to figure it out.

Good gesture my ass.

Russians used their superb science to resurrect dead Snake Island defenders...can you point at better than that Ukrainian
gesture? Ukrainians just want to kill without warning instead
legendary
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In recent days name of Konashnenkov were mentioned few times here. So, finally someone spend some time and debunked his lies in detail. So, how surprising, but according to him, Russia destroyed more Ukraine army hardware than they actually have. For example, they destroyed 84 Bayraktar drones, 20 more than Ukraine ever had:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/30/according-to-russia-s-press-releases-they-ve-destroyed-more-military-hardware-than-ukraine-ever-had
Russian forces left famous Snake island. Russia called it as good will sign and they finished tasks here, but they forget to mention it was under powerful and effective rocket artillery attacks from Ukraine:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/europe/snake-island-russia-ukraine-invasion-intl/index.html
Russia and Ukraine made big POW swap, including quite big number of Azov troops. I remember someone saying that there will be no mercy for these "nazis":
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-prisoner-swap-azovstal/31921756.html


The Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales must have been under budget cuts to come out with the story of "good will gesture" to leave Snake Island. I confess I had a good laugh at that one.

Despite how fancy and cool this island looks from the strategic point of view (perfect for early warning or as naval base) Ukraine decided long ago that is much easier to attack than to defend. The RF Chief Psychos had to first loose the Moskva, then a few other minor ships (along with wasting the lives of their crews for nothing) and ground troops to figure it out.

Good gesture my ass.
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In recent days name of Konashnenkov were mentioned few times here. So, finally someone spend some time and debunked his lies in detail. So, how surprising, but according to him, Russia destroyed more Ukraine army hardware than they actually have. For example, they destroyed 84 Bayraktar drones, 20 more than Ukraine ever had:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/30/according-to-russia-s-press-releases-they-ve-destroyed-more-military-hardware-than-ukraine-ever-had

Yes. Here is compilation of all russian propaganda "statistic"



First column - "was at the start"
Second one - "provided by westerners"
Third column - "destroyed"

Look at numbers: For example, russian "destroyed" ALL ukrainian UAV of all types (1049 from 1049). Funny BS

Its probably made up by Ghost of Kiev, he has a lot of free time now that Russians destroyed all of his planes
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In recent days name of Konashnenkov were mentioned few times here. So, finally someone spend some time and debunked his lies in detail. So, how surprising, but according to him, Russia destroyed more Ukraine army hardware than they actually have. For example, they destroyed 84 Bayraktar drones, 20 more than Ukraine ever had:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/30/according-to-russia-s-press-releases-they-ve-destroyed-more-military-hardware-than-ukraine-ever-had

Yes. Here is compilation of all russian propaganda "statistic"



First column - "was at the start"
Second one - "provided by westerners"
Third column - "destroyed"

Look at numbers: For example, russian "destroyed" ALL ukrainian UAV of all types (1049 from 1049). Funny BS
legendary
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Slava Ukraini!
In recent days name of Konashnenkov were mentioned few times here. So, finally someone spend some time and debunked his lies in detail. So, how surprising, but according to him, Russia destroyed more Ukraine army hardware than they actually have. For example, they destroyed 84 Bayraktar drones, 20 more than Ukraine ever had:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/30/according-to-russia-s-press-releases-they-ve-destroyed-more-military-hardware-than-ukraine-ever-had
Russian forces left famous Snake island. Russia called it as good will sign and they finished tasks here, but they forget to mention it was under powerful and effective rocket artillery attacks from Ukraine:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/europe/snake-island-russia-ukraine-invasion-intl/index.html
Russia and Ukraine made big POW swap, including quite big number of Azov troops. I remember someone saying that there will be no mercy for these "nazis":
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-prisoner-swap-azovstal/31921756.html
legendary
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Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

You claimed that "only one" shopping mall was attacked by the Russian military. That is obviously false. Nice job moving the goalposts though. At this point I can say "20k in Mariupol", you will spit out something from Channel 1 again, etc. We've been through this numerous times before you showed up in this thread.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though).

I don't known what it takes to "prove" it officially but to me this type of thing does it - not the words themselves, but the facts matching those words, people being executed with their hands tied etc:

If you messed up, then try not to leave witnesses among the locals.
[...]
And what did you want salo-eaters?
War of extermination.
And we do not advise nonsense.

(telegram group of one of the "contract" units similar to Wagner; actual proper nazis so there's a great deal of irony here but I digress)

Neither do I, it would have to be a systematic attempt to kill or make impossible to survive based on culture, race, religion,... It may get to the point that it is possible to have specific proof that Ukrainians of non-Russian background are being targeted in the captured areas. It may not require a massive number of deaths, they can, like Uyghurs in China, be "encouraged" to leave their language or uses and marry a "Russian", go into "re-education" camps, or the children impeded from speaking their native tongue,... and killed or imprisoned if they do not abide.

One of the possibilities I can see more clearly fringing in the genocide is the "filtration" processes of people (forcefully) evacuated to the RF. We will read horror stories when Adolf Putin's regime fades.

Historically, Russia is expert at "conquering" territory by massive migration. Konigsberg (Kaliningrad now) is currently an enclave because, believe it or not, other countries did not want anything to do with it. This is completely serious, the USSR moved above a million Russ in there and after the dis-integration of the USSR, the surrounding countries (Including Lithuania and Poland) did not want to incorporate it!

For those interested, there are many videos (if you are young and do not read) available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K4tq-9osc

You just don't get it, do you. Russia today is not the same as the Russia of the USSR. Russian leaders today have seen that the USSR style of governing didn't work. Rather than using force, today's Russia is using fair trade to become friends with everybody.

But the Ukraine government hasn't learned what happened to Hitler in the end. The NAZI government was destroyed, or it went so far underground that it couldn't be effective. But here it is surfacing in the form of the government of Ukraine. And its surfacing is the same as Hitler would have it. It's like WW2 all over again.

Revelation 13:3
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

The head of the beast that had the fatal wound was Hitler's NAZIs. Now it is being healed, and the whole world (almost) is following the healing. When China and India offer their support of Ukraine, we will know that the head of the beast has been healed, and that NAZIs rule the world.

We have a whole bunch of NAZI supporters like paxmao Nazi-Hitler, who are way worse than any Adolf Putin could ever dream of being.

Cool
legendary
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Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

You claimed that "only one" shopping mall was attacked by the Russian military. That is obviously false. Nice job moving the goalposts though. At this point I can say "20k in Mariupol", you will spit out something from Channel 1 again, etc. We've been through this numerous times before you showed up in this thread.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though).

I don't known what it takes to "prove" it officially but to me this type of thing does it - not the words themselves, but the facts matching those words, people being executed with their hands tied etc:

If you messed up, then try not to leave witnesses among the locals.
[...]
And what did you want salo-eaters?
War of extermination.
And we do not advise nonsense.

(telegram group of one of the "contract" units similar to Wagner; actual proper nazis so there's a great deal of irony here but I digress)

Neither do I, it would have to be a systematic attempt to kill or make impossible to survive based on culture, race, religion,... It may get to the point that it is possible to have specific proof that Ukrainians of non-Russian background are being targeted in the captured areas. It may not require a massive number of deaths, they can, like Uyghurs in China, be "encouraged" to leave their language or uses and marry a "Russian", go into "re-education" camps, or the children impeded from speaking their native tongue,... and killed or imprisoned if they do not abide.

One of the possibilities I can see more clearly fringing in the genocide is the "filtration" processes of people (forcefully) evacuated to the RF. We will read horror stories when Adolf Putin's regime fades.

Historically, Russia is expert at "conquering" territory by massive migration. Konigsberg (Kaliningrad now) is currently an enclave because, believe it or not, other countries did not want anything to do with it. This is completely serious, the USSR moved above a million Russ in there and after the dis-integration of the USSR, the surrounding countries (Including Lithuania and Poland) did not want to incorporate it!

For those interested, there are many videos (if you are young and do not read) available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K4tq-9osc
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Remembering how the EUput pressure on Lithuania during the conflict with China, I have a damn doubt they support their ally in the conflict with Russia. In the place of Lithuania, I wont count on anything from the EU other than requests/threats to cede to Russia.

Lithuania is in NATO, so it's unlikely to cede anything tangible. If the Baltic states hadn't joined NATO I'm sure Putin would have invaded them first and not Georgia or Ukraine.

Economically there is also not much to lose. Trade with Russia is under massive sanctions for decades to come.

I think you underestimate the readiness of some (many) European countries to continue cooperation with the Russians as before. There are no sanctions when it comes to Russian money. I personally spoke with a large European company that told me, to paraphrase, "if Gaddafi was alive, we would sell him too. But we prefer cash and quiet deals".

Germany never disappoints being a Russian dick rider.
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Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

You claimed that "only one" shopping mall was attacked by the Russian military. That is obviously false. Nice job moving the goalposts though. At this point I can say "20k in Mariupol", you will spit out something from Channel 1 again, etc. We've been through this numerous times before you showed up in this thread.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though).

I don't known what it takes to "prove" it officially but to me this type of thing does it - not the words themselves, but the facts matching those words, people being executed with their hands tied etc:

If you messed up, then try not to leave witnesses among the locals.
[...]
And what did you want salo-eaters?
War of extermination.
And we do not advise nonsense.

(telegram group of one of the "contract" units similar to Wagner; actual proper nazis so there's a great deal of irony here but I digress)
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"Ukraniza??" whatever? Source please.

Ask any Russian in Crimea and Donbass what became of their names in Ukrainian documents.


Yes, shelling military objectives is part of war. Smashing a shopping mall full of people is a crime.

Donetsk and Lugansk are what?


Picture of the missile that hit KredMash.
https://i.imgur.com/0kBvevx.jpg
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The "Russification"

Forced Ukrainianization and name-changing is a long-standing fact.

Wanton destruction is still a war crime:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule50

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Under Article 23(g) of the 1907 Hague Regulations, it is especially forbidden “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war”


And what is the military need for eight years of shelling Luhansk and Donetsk?
Or is it just for fun?


"Ukraniza??" whatever? Source please.

We have gone over this a number of times. The RF had effectively two army corps, led by RF officials in those two regions of Ukraine, so there was an effective undeclared war (sounds familiar) caused by Adolf Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#:~:text=Russian%20separatist%20forces%20in%20Donets,Luhansk%20People%27s%20Republic%20(LPR).

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It is widely believed that the separatists are supported by the Russian Armed Forces.[13] Ukraine, the United States, and some analysts consider 1st and 2nd Army Corps to be Russian formations under the command of the 8th Combined Arms Army,[14][15][16][17] which was formed in 2017 in Novocherkassk, Rostov oblast. Although the Russian government often denies direct involvement, saying their soldiers were there voluntarily and not under orders, some of them have been captured with documents that said otherwise.[18] The separatists have admitted receiving supplies from Russia and being trained there. BBC reported that separatist ranks are composed of thousands of Russian citizens.[18][19] Registered Cossacks of the Russian Federation are also supporting the separatists. DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko claimed in August 2014 that there were around 3,000 to 4,000 Russian volunteers fighting for his militia, which included serving and retired Russian Army servicemen.[20] It is alleged that since September 2015, the separatist units, at the battalion level and up, are acting under direct command of Russian Army officers, with former local commanders sometimes serving as their deputies.[21]

Yes, shelling military objectives is part of war. Smashing a shopping mall full of people is a crime.
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The "Russification"

Forced Ukrainianization and name-changing is a long-standing fact.

Wanton destruction is still a war crime:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule50

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Under Article 23(g) of the 1907 Hague Regulations, it is especially forbidden “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war”


And what is the military need for eight years of shelling Luhansk and Donetsk?
Or is it just for fun?
legendary
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(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

And what do the anti-battery radars say? Where was the gunfire coming from?
As far as I know, missiles don't fly alone, there are shots by the dozen.
There was a recent video of a rocket returning to the launch site.
And surely the locations of the malls are known, why hit only one if genocide is the goal?

Again, confusing concepts. Genocide is the deliberate efforts to destroy a race, culture or religion. Destroying schools, hospitals, shopping centres and civil infrastructure in called "wanton destruction", which only seeks to impoverish the adversary and cause damage unrelated to the war.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though). The "Russification", imposing RF passports to access to services, imposing the rouble are quite borderline as of now.

Wanton destruction is still a war crime:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule50

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Under Article 23(g) of the 1907 Hague Regulations, it is especially forbidden “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war”

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Article 6(b) of the 1945 IMT Charter (Nuremberg) lists “wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity” as a war crime

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ICC Statute
Under Article 8(2)(a)(iv) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “[e]xtensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly” is a war crime in international armed conflicts. Under Article 8(2)(b)(xiii), “[d]estroying or seizing the enemy’s property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war” is also a war crime in international armed conflicts.
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