Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 266. (Read 66590 times)

They still do not see it. Russia and Ukraine are not the winners of this war. Even if Putin achieves the best outcome of what now is possible, he would have conquered a desert. Follow the money and ask yourself:

- Can Putin wage this war without the income from selling oil and gas at inflated prices?
- Who could lower the oil prices if they wanted?

There you have the winners: OPEC & US. US also gets another country to buy NATO standar weaponry and munitions and a global re-arming for its weapons industry.

You will also see the greatest losers during the southern hemisphere winter. You will see them dying of hunger because grain is going through the roof.


To even the most mediocre analyst, the strategy was certainly to take Kyiv - because you do not loose thousands of troops and tens if not hundreds of tanks on a diversionary attack. If you just need to pin the enemy all you have to do is be there instead of trying a number of suicidal attack. They were just counting on a mass surrender that did not happen. Putin and his Psychos are gangsters and they are mostly moved by fear and threat and expect other to surrender by fear and threat. They were wrong and the new strategy shows that they know it.

Poland, a NATO country that has actually supplied weapons to Ukraine and even asked for US help in sending them a number of MIG warplanes, taking territory of another prospective member. 0.000000001% chance at this point. I really hope that Putin is somehow counting on that for his next masterplan.

Do not die for Putin. He is clueless about Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-has-delivered-tanks-ukraine-says-polish-pm-2022-04-25/
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/poland-provides-ukraine-with-additional-defence-assistance-including-over-200-t-72-tanks-articleshow.html
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/poland-has-supplied-7-billion-worth-of-weapons-to-ukraine-over-two-months-here-s-what-it-sent-to-fight-russia
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-key-in-western-weapons-supplies-to-ukraine/
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/poland-to-convince-germany-to-send-heavy-weapons-to-ukraine

There goes you hopes and lies. Poland will not act against Ukraine while a pro-western government manages the country. The reason is very simple: Ukraine is not a threat to anyone. Putin's Russia is.

Any semi-competant analyst can see that Russia had no interest in 'taking' Kiev.  Not ever, and not to this day.  It was obviously a tactic to tie up Ukrainians who would otherwise make the permanent taking of places like Kherson. which they do intend to keep, more costly and complicated.

The Russians can vaporize reddittard 'mercenaries' by the hundreds at will flying munitions right over the heads of the 'visting dignitaries' (working on their money laundering schemes in perfect safety) in Kiev.  That tells me that this whole thing is largely choreographed and pre-planned, and all sides are a party to the show.

That said, I do suspect that it was supposed to be more of a show and less of a real fight than the Jewkrainian actors and stage managers were expecting.  Russia might have played them somewhat in this respect.

Act-II will be Poland taking back some historically Polish territory in the West.  That much was probably pre-planned and something that the Jewkrainian govt in Kiev started out with as a goal and have worked diligently to set up.  It's why the tactics are designed to whack as many Ukrianians who can possibly hold a gun as possible.  Russian couldn't care less what happens over there and their gains in the East will probably be solidified by an agreement to not interfere with Polish operations in the Western parts of the country.  That, and perhaps not taking Odessa.  In other words, leaving the neo-pale-of-settlement sea-port access for their 'bigger Israel' project.

You got real evidence to back up that claim?

Russia lost the Battle of Kiev and were forced to retreat.  This is old news.

What happend to helmets and pulled proof vests in active war zones? Are they now longer fashionable?

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The situation as is, azov vs zelensky
https://odysee.com/@TheTruthSeeker:d/zelensky-speaking-with-azov:7

Switchblades arrived to the front. Do not die for Putin.

https://youtu.be/y98U86nY9D8

Reminds me of your past analysis.



Zelensky and Boris take a liesurely stroll through Kiev.  date: sometime after be.open's posts

And that peacetime army in 3 months of war have more losses than in 9 years of Afghan war.

If proofs given so far isn't enough for, here is some more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html
If you still think that all these thing were done not by Russians, stop taking hard drugs during daylight hours..

Russia has concentrated a large number of Tactical Cannon Fodder Battalions in the area with a great result: They took a village. And.. oh, well... they lost quite a bit of ground near Kharkiv. The Ukrainian army has showed great strength and determination, but I would say that above all, it has shown excellent command and ability to use their limited means to a great effect.

But it is just too easy to look at the tactical maps and the "toys of war" that may confer a false sense of security based on and idealised technological superiority that does not really materialise on the ground. This is a long war, and it is becoming a war of economic attrition. Despite being Russia a country with good resources, there are many capabilities that are critical for a modern economy: economic networks, soft power, microchips and other components, free trade,... All that is not as cool as the "look at me Terminator (which for the trained eye is clearly not an innovation at all and a design mistake from top to bottom)" or the "hypersonic" missiles nor even the "Javelins" or NLAWS, but it is economy and moral what is going to win this war.

If we look at history, the collapse of the Russian army will start by an increased unrest in the population once they start noticing the effects of the sanctions (now, they are only getting a glimpse of it) and doubting more and more the "carpet lying" on public media. Sooner rather than later, it will become impossible being able to convince the young to join the army. There will be forceful recruitments and the soldiers sent to the front to replace the thousands of dead - some of them experienced in Syria and Chechenia - will not only be untrained, but also unmotivated.

At a certain point, the psychos (AKA Putin's generals) will notice that when they order the troops to advance, the tanks will have no fuel or will be mysteriously broken. The troops will only follow orders if closely watched by the officers and the indiscipline will make impossible to operate. The "high precision" weapons cannot help when the soldiers on the ground are not willing to fight.

Eventually, after many of the Psychos are demoted, even the Chief Psycho will notice that it is impossible to undertake any offensive action. The only option left will be to entrench the troops, put officers to actually prevent mass defections and wait for the Ukrainian army counter-offensive.

However, the Russian army would only be able to hold the larger cities. Anything else will succumb to the modern weaponry sent from the west and aimed with the best military intelligence resources available in the world. And this is how the story ends.... Large groups of Russian armies being captured, or even attacked by the population into retreating or surrendering. Mariupol will be an anecdote compared to the collapse of Putin's army.

Consequences will be felt in Russia for decades. Isolated diplomatically, crippled by sanctions and unable to wage war against their neighbours or to produce any modern weapon due to sanctions,  and only able to maintain its borders by means of the nuclear deterrent, that eventually will disappear once the technology of interception is sufficiently advanced.

Stop the war. Do not die for Putin.


I dissent. It would be a matter of days to render it inoperative. I hope I do not get to see it.

Russia’s Shrinking War
The goals of Russia’s invasion keep getting smaller. But its depleted military is still failing to make major advances, and time is on Ukraine’s side.

Are you still chewing that Butch gum? It seems to have been rotten since it turned out that some of the civilians died from cluster munitions from the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, while others were executed by Bosman's Nazis during the cleansing of "collaborators".

Colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: With the help of Tomahawk, it is possible to destroy the entire military infrastructure in Crimea in a matter of hours

The military infrastructure that Russia has created in the Crimea it occupies can be destroyed with modern weapons "in a matter of hours." Colonel Vladislav Seleznev, a former employee of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, expressed this opinion to the Krym.Realii project in an interview that was published on May 23.

"The work of literally several modern destroyer-class ships, for example, the US armed forces, is capable of destroying the entire military infrastructure on the territory of the peninsula in a matter of hours with the help of high-precision Tomahawk-class missiles. This is a delusion of Russian generals, the Russian military-political leadership about that Crimea is theirs, and they created an unsinkable base of aircraft carriers there, is nonsense," the colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said.

According to him, modern weapons "are ready to work from any distance as accurately as possible, literally with scalpel precision and efficiency."

Seleznev believes that in trying to turn Crimea into a military base, the Russian occupation authorities "think in terms of the 20th, or maybe the 19th century."
https://charter97.org/ru/news/2022/5/24/469290/


The Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed in the sky of Ukraine the retired major general of the Air Force of the Russian Federation Botashev

The information about the pilot's death was confirmed by three former subordinates of Kanamat Botashev, who kept in touch with him after the service.
Botashev - the highest-ranking pilot, whose death became known. Prior to his retirement, he was commander of an aviation regiment. Participation in air battles of such a high-ranking officer can speak both of how difficult tasks Moscow faces for military pilots and the lack of high-class specialists.
On Sunday, May 22, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that a Russian Su-25 attack aircraft had been shot down in the sky over the Luhansk region. The pilot did not have time to eject. One of Botashev's former colleagues confirmed that in Ukraine the retired general was performing tasks on the Su-25.
Botashev had a sniper pilot class. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the training of such a pilot takes 10-12 years and costs about $ 8 million. It is unclear how the 63-year-old retired general found himself at the helm of the Su-25 in Ukraine.
https://eukraina.com/news/zsu_znishhili_v_nebi_ukrajini_vidstavnogo_general_majora_vijskovo_povitrjanikh_sil_rf_botasheva/2022-05-24-26591

russia has no chance, russia's defeat is near.

You really look at the tied up and executed bodies in Bucha, and think to yourself: They would never do that to me. I'm on their side, Right?
Well maybe they would accept you on their side. except they would also give you a gun and tell you to march forward or get shot if you disobey or run.

So the choices between execution and forced conscription are somewhat alluring to you? You realise that Bucha was meant as warning of whats to come to the west, right?

What we need to do on the internet is weed out potential traitors while we have the chance. so people like that won't get the chance to paint infrared-reflective X's on people's houses as targets for Russian Air Force. Maybe we should start making a list starting on Bitcointalk. Surely they have some IP addresses of some interesting people.

Ukraine killed the traitors before the enemies. Thats what war is.

About the attitude of the Russians to the prisoners. The Russian military evacuate a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, wounded in battle, who was abandoned by his commanders and colleagues, carried 2 km through a minefield.

What do these orcs even allow themselves? Feel sorry for the bullet?

He is war criminal, no doubt about that. Doesn't mean he's a fool, though  

Btw, maybe Russia military blunder was unexpected, but (for me) Russia winning
economically is even bigger surprise

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RUB=X/

In Russia, in permafrost conditions, for these purposes, old people usually prefer to take baths from the menstrual blood of virgins. And those who are younger just drink vodka with Nutella, and then go to the gypsies to dance with bears to the accompaniment of a balalaika around a trophy street lamp.  

ps Svetlodarsk taken.

A true testament to the effectiveness of drinking children's blood perhaps.  Or at least having the blood of millions of 'useless eaters' on your hands.

Kissinger is already 99 years old, but his mind is clear. This is all the more surprising against the background of the hysterical fits of many European politicians, who seem to have completely lost the ability to realistically assess the situation and only chaotically express contradictory populist slogans. I do not think that their voters will put up with this state of affairs for a long time.

Even Kissinger agrees with you:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/23/henry-kissinger-warns-against-defeat-russia-western-unity-sanctions/


“I hope the Ukrainians will match the heroism they have shown with wisdom,” he said, adding with his famous sense of realpolitik that the proper role for the country is to be a neutral buffer state rather than the frontier of Europe.

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Not only that, it got me thinking how previous two world wars were prepared and almost inevitable to happen

https://www.amazon.com/Century-War-Anglo-American-Politics-World/dp/3925725199

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I think it is still somewhat premature to talk about the victory of Russia. But even Gordon recently said that "to date, Ukraine has completely lost the Kherson region, partly the territory of the Kharkiv region, most of the territory of the Zaporozhye region, significant territories of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. In this regard, to say that today we are something received, you can't. Of course, Putin received a lot".

Ukraine has no chance against Russia and never had. Even with general mobilization and unprecedented support from the West, Ukraine is losing to Russia's peacetime armies. If you think otherwise, stop taking hard drugs during daylight hours.