Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 270. (Read 73622 times)

>>even if forced by the EU.

Remembering how the EUput pressure on Lithuania during the conflict with China, I have a damn doubt they support their ally in the conflict with Russia. In the place of Lithuania, I wont count on anything from the EU other than requests/threats to cede to Russia.

And then proudly say that city is liberated. Yeah, completely destroyed, no water, no food, no electricity, but most important that city is liberated from ''evil nazi''.

In such cases one Russian phrase perfectly describes their logic: Bы нe пoнимaeтe, этo дpyгoe. Translation: You don't understand, it's different.

Unfortunately it becomes a gateway drug to complete dependence on Russian (or Saudi, or some other totalitarian shithole) energy resources. Yes, a pipeline could be built while keeping viable backup options but ten years later a different party gets elected and says "why do we need to spend billions maintaining LNG terminals when we have this cheap gas flowing through the pipeline" or "why do we need the nuclear plants or solar or geothermal or anything really except cheap natural gas power plants" etc etc.

Thus, not taken until recently, after weeks of fighting. Again, Adolf Putin needs to export oil and have a price above 80 USD per barrel to keep the push. If it falls below 40 USD per barrel or if the sanctions bit hard enough, he may even risk being removed from power, not to mention that Ukraine may even push back.

This is an expensive and risky bet.


No worries, "nice" is overrated.

I think that having oil & gas pipelines with the RF is not really a problem. This should have brought RF and EU's interest close together and Adolf Putin could have chosen to be a civilised nation with a positive influence in the world. I guess a former KGB mediocre bureaucrat cannot avoid being what he is.

In my view the problem is the excessive dependency of Europe of a single source of energy and is a mistake that I would not expect from Germany (well, Gerhard Schröder had good "reasons", you know...)


So you can be at the end of the several pipelines that link Siberia with central Europe, but you should always have alternatives. Some short of "bear-proof" electrified fence in the form of pipelines connecting with Italy to have the option of the Argelian gas, or liquefaction facilities to have the opportunity of swapping to US or Qatari gas, or better connections with Norway -  major exporter and a more diversified energy base. None of those are a cheap as RF gas, but it provides a safeguard against the Psychos of RF "junta".

On the other side, I cannot help but think that the US is actually happy with the RF taking a chunk of the Donbas. Firstly, it provides some statelets that buffer the contact of the future NATO with the RF belly. Secondly, deprives the EU from incorporating a new member with significant gas and oil reserves that could be developed and make Ukraine an economically developed country in a win-win situation with the economic core of the EU.

This situation, in which Europe, mostly the EU, gets a new level of energy independence, creates a wider alliance and gets a extensive new area to invest and develop with the guarantee of having large proven reserves of oil and gas - even if Crimea is not recovered - may not be to the taste of Democrats in US, and it is certainly not to the taste of the Republican Party, currently kidnapped by Donald Grump.

The lessons from Europe are obvious - the EU cannot depend on the RF for energy needs and from the US when a military support is required. The Eurofighter programme, the creation of the NLAW and other joint technological efforts could be the blueprints for the future EU army technology.
 




 

I'm not understanding why you have such a problem with Nazi supporters that, for the most part, exist only in your imagination, but seem to be ok with Stalin fan boys flaunting their pride out in the open.  Is it because Putin says?

Hitler and Stalin are both easily in the top 5 most evil humans in history.  So, what gives?

I didn't mean it to be rude, I just don't do "nice" well

No, I agree, they're trying to do their best given the circumstances, I don't have a problem with that. Just hoping it's irreversible and they won't build gas pipelines from Russia 20 years from now, like Germany did.


Former nazis must be like 100+ years old by now.

Very true words. Just today the news spread the following:

The head of the Russian space agency Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, questioned the Lithuanian border. He had in mind restrictions on transit to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad. “Lithuania has basically questioned its own borders,” Rogozin told Russian state television. Russia has so far recognized Lithuania’s borders only because transit to Kaliningrad worked: “Lithuania shot itself not only in the leg but also in the head.”

What the fuck is going on with these guys? I mean we all know they are the grandmasters at threatening every single object and subject on the planet that is not pro Soviet times. But this faggot chooses the words in the headto imply possible attacks or even full annihilation. You know, I really agree that it is time to put an end to that type of language and to threats. By that I do not mean to annihilate the Russians who have their brain cells in proper line, but the regime that is airdropping hate and fear and pain (starvation, death) all over the planet.

At times I really feel how the shit is depressing me because this goes to show how difficult it is for reasonable people to win against ruthless, brutal idiots. Those who are scrupulous have a hard time to fight those who are unscrupulous, but in a sense it should be the other way around. The Ukrainians are the best example for that.

Ahahahahah

Typical russian strategy:
1. level civilian infrastructure to the ground with artillery and mrls
2. Send ednless waves of Donbass cannon fodder until your enemies will run out of ammo

PROFIT!

Example - siege of Mariupol

And not forget to tell something like "russians are good at maintaining wars" 
It's especially funny because of the fact that this tactic were used by russian since Napoleonic wars, i think

Severodonetsk was taken more than a week ago, with the exception of the Azot plant. The Russian flag at the entrance to Severodonetsk was installed on June 16.

Actually, its time to finally drive americans out of EU and start to be independent. It would be tough, though, as through operation Gladio
USA installed former nazi terrorist cells in all EU countries, to prevent that from happening

hmm...

Not a completely fair comment in my view. Lithuania is part of the EU, so is not "forced by the EU". Every country has to bear part of the situation created by Adolf Putin and the ones most at risk are the ones closer to the Psychos. It is easy to "support" from 10.000 miles away. It is not that easy to revive your coal industry and obsolete nuclear reactors being the green party (Germany) or risking a low supply of gas (Baltic states), etc...

Sanctions are immediately felt in EU and take some time to have an effect in the RF. But this effort is not in vain and the EU understands that this is critical for the future of Europe and, to a point, of the world.

I am afraid that Lithuania had been discovered long ago. The RF has tried to influence the government and to create a soft power imbalance in the country for many years, but most people in every country that has had previous deals with Russia - for some strange reason - would rather not have them again.

Again, congrats for moderating your expectations. From "we are going to change the government, take Ukraine, remove their military" to... Great news my friends! Our army of psychos has managed to flatten yet another settlement!

Where is the RF picture flag in Severo? Are you trying to jump over a city?

Deteached for reality.. that is so funny. "the army of Ukraine did not last two days"... it has taken a month for the RF psychos to move the front a few kilometres at the cost of many RF soldiers becoming worm beds and an increased pressure from EU and increased support from the US (have you not heard? another 400M in aid).

Your "glorious" army is "gloriously" slow my "deteached" friend and each day your Tyrant Adolf Putin has to foot another bill, Ukraine gets more and more aid and the RF will get more and more sanctions. You cannot afford this war at this pace.

BTW, with a recession coming soon in most of the world and lower crude prices, the Ministry of Kleptocracy and Creative Financing will eventually have to explain to Adolf Putin that he may not have enough to pay for his deplorable attempt of being a page in history books.

The fact that Kremlin is seriously pissed at Lithuania shows that for once they (Lithuanian government) are doing something right, even if forced by the EU.

For too long the politics in the Baltic states was influenced by the fear of turning the gas off or other "sanctions" from Russia. Too many pro-Russian politicians and just plain morons longing for Soviet times. Finally a chance to clean that shit out, hopefully they won't squander it. It's been 30 years, time to move on.

It's funny how all Russian trolls suddenly discovered that Lithuania actually exists and is very evil. Any nazis there? Kinda slow with the narrative, should have found someone with a swastika tattoo by now.

Russia will attack a NATO member? That is, Russia will attack a commensurate or stronger enemy? Well you have jokes!!! Haven't laughed like that in a long time! The maximum that Russia is enough for is to crush a couple of cans of sprats, in front of crazy "Putin's old grandmothers", they will read that the end of the United States and Putin is a great ruler, and when the film crew leaves, these grandmothers will fight to lick the crushed sprats from asphalt - it's tastier than eating expired products that are thrown out of stores!

By the way, that's what happened. The first statements were direct, we will wipe you off the face of the earth tomorrow." After that, Lithuania completely banned even road transport of any scale. After that, the Russian Foreign Ministry quietly and humbly said "well, we just wanted to deliver by sea" ))) The truth about For some reason, they don’t tell this on all channels, do not tell me why?

You're still paying attention to things said on Russian TV and consider it as credible source? They're threatening to turn half of world into radioactive ash for years, and since begining of war it become daily stuff. Well, someone have to replace Zhirinovsky and some of them are really trying hard to do it.

You're wrong again. Lithuania didn't interpret sanctions in their own way. Only EU sanctions is applied:
https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/80444/

I would not like to pedal the question of Lithuania in this topic, but I will still add a few words. Lithuania is the little rabid dog of the United States, which barks loudly in any direction the boss from Washington points to. Last year, Lithuania managed to quarrel with China, suddenly preoccupied with the issue of oppression of the Uyghurs and was about to open a representative office in Taiwan. Now she is trying to spoil Russia by interpreting the EU sanctions in her own way. Obviously, this is a provocation with the aim of causing an excessively harsh response from Russia. Well, at the level of verbal interventions, the provocation was a success. There are no real actions yet, we'll see.

It seems you just got front seats

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10949677/London-bombed-World-War-Three-says-Russian-TV-propagandist-rails-against-West.html

Good news:


Yes, this squads are created to fight in Ukraine. But as you know, it can't be otherwise, at least from the start. For example: Praetorian Guard had a purpose to protect emperors of Roman Empire. But in fact guardsmen killed more emperors than some "enemies"


Liberated from toilets and washing machines.

The degree of your detachment from reality impresses me. It is unlikely that we are talking about a couple of villages, Zolotoe is taken, Gorskoye is being cleared, the flag of the LPR is over the administration building in Gorskoye (the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not even last two days in the boiler, heavy losses and many prisoners). Severodonetsk has been cleared completely, the fighting is now going on in Lisichansk. After the capture and cleansing of Lisichansk, the territory of the Lugansk People's Republic will be 100% completely liberated.