Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 312. (Read 77273 times)
Meanwhile spontaneous unfortunate events continue to happen in Russia near the Ukrainian border:
Quote from: https://ria.ru/20220501/most-1786447901.html
In the Kursk region, a bridge on a railway freight line partially collapsed, Governor Roman Starovoit said.
"Today, at about 11:20, on the 67th kilometer of the Sudzha-Sosnovy Bor railway, a partial collapse of the bridge structures was discovered," the head of the region said in his Telegram channel.
"Today, at about 11:20, on the 67th kilometer of the Sudzha-Sosnovy Bor railway, a partial collapse of the bridge structures was discovered," the head of the region said in his Telegram channel.
tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda. be.open has an excuse, you don't.
I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.
Doesn't seem that way. You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).
Doesn't seem that way to you and other 'normies' perhaps, but there are some people who have a more developed sense of the world or are just wired differently.
Yeah ok. NY Times = garbage but RT.com, or even better straight shooter Putin himself and you eat it up and spew it out.
tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda. be.open has an excuse, you don't.
I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.
Doesn't seem that way. You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).
Doesn't seem that way to you and other 'normies' perhaps, but there are some people who have a more developed sense of the world or are just wired differently. I'm perfectly happy to give credit where credit is due even if it is to a mortal enemy, and I am just as happy to significantly critisize entities which are most dear. Especially myself.
I've mentioned this before, but my observation is that Western corp/gov is SO into being decietful that they cannot help themselves from the practice even when it tangibly hurts their possition on it's face, but more commonly does serious damage when they are caught in a lie or tangle of them. It's bizarre. Anyway, that seems to have opened the door for an the alternate of just being pretty straightforward and honest. Russia seems to have picked up the ball and run with it, although their basic strategy seems limited to information for external consumption. They still seem to lie to their own people with abandon.
So, yes, I'm much more willing to weigh Russian information higher out of the gate than info originating within Western corp/gov entities. It's a conditioned response.
This "Poland wants to occupy part of Ukraine" line seemed bonkers to me, so I do a little research...oh look, Russian State Media article 3 days ago that you basically were just paraphrasing:
Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine. They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from. Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact. Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday. Or maybe part of New Israel. Who knows?
The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia. The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.
The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia. The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.
Yeah, so what? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict how aggressors will spin their agressions. It's pretty much universal, and I poked a little fun at Russia (my supposed pay-masters) for it as well. Although I've been anticipating the likelihood (of Poland wanting to take a chunk and/or be given a chunk which is contaminated with Nazi dingle-berries), the only recent conjectures I saw was from that guy in Cyprus (at the moment) and I linked it. Most likely he had read the RT article and probably other info sources as well.
tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda. be.open has an excuse, you don't.
I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.
Doesn't seem that way. You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).
This "Poland wants to occupy part of Ukraine" line seemed bonkers to me, so I do a little research...oh look, Russian State Media article 3 days ago that you basically were just paraphrasing:
Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine. They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from. Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact. Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday. Or maybe part of New Israel. Who knows?
The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia. The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.
The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia. The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.
tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda. be.open has an excuse, you don't.
I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.
As for Russia, I said it before and I'll say it again; I believe it most likely that they are simply playing a role in a script which was pre-determined before this show even kicked off. At that level I don't see any 'good guys' or anyone who I would side with or support. Russia and China are the pre-assigned winners in this act...and later will be pitted against one-another. ('Winners' in an economic sense as most things are.) I just need to accurately assess the situation so that I can adjust things in my personal life such as what countries I do business in.
As a former soldier I will not hesitate to recognize unexpectedly professional behavior on the part of anyone who displays it. I've not seen many credible reports of widespread unprofessionalism on the part of the Russians, or even the Eastern forces of the civil war. That's not to say I've not see a ton of obvious propaganda about war crimes and such, but this never comes with validation. This professionalim surprises me. My assessment of the observation are two-fold: 1) Russia (and friends) are winning handily and maintaining good command and control, and 2) it indicates that they are planning to be around (as background controllers at least) for a while and thus do care somewhat about the 'hearts and minds' of the notoriously fickle local populations.
Again, the Ukrainian 'defenders' of the South and East with their human shield strategies and such did a fantastic job of making the Ruskies seem like God's gift from Heaven to the local populations and a good bit of apparently relatively organic on-the-ground citizen journalism substantiates the idea that it is exactly how many of them feel. For now at least. I personally think it likely that this was part of the pre-agreed script.
tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda. be.open has an excuse, you don't.
Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.
I think the military participation of Poland in this conflict is very likely and I spoke about this earlier - Poland has good reasons to consider the western six regions of Ukraine as its territory.Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations). I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area. Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.
It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".
Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.
Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine. They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from. Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact. Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday. Or maybe part of New Israel. Who knows?
The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia. The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.
Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations). I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area. Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.
It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".
Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.
Co ty obszczymurku pierdolisz? Pojebalo cie?
BTW, many Polish speak Ukrainian, especially in the Eastern part of Poland. As for Western Ukrainians, well, you don't know but in the last
20+ years many Ukrainians immigrated to Poland. Many of their kids are teachers of the Polish language in Polish schools, lol.
Unless you have been living under the same rock as Putin, it might be a shock to you that the world is more interconnected than ever before.
Poland would never attack Ukraine. Poles are not Katsaps, they don't attack countries.
Poles are more closely culturally related to Ukrainians than Russian-speaking Ukrainians to Katsaps.
Ukrainians and Poles are Europeans. Russians are a horde of Mongols.
Baм pyccким бyдeт пoвний пиздeть.
Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations). I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area. Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.
Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/
If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be. I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.
Keep dreaming about motivated combatants fleeing their land, meanwhile have a read... here.
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A bunch of the Nationalists were funded into a state of readiness by Kolomoyski (same 'Ukrainian'/Jewish oligarch who sponsored Zelensky and Hunter Biden.) These forces were used for ethnic cleansing attempts in the Eastern part of the county. Even a Nazi can understand a target of ethnic cleansing would have not choice but to fight back which has to be a factor in their motivations to accomplish the mission. Especially relative to the potential mission of limiting how much land the Poles end up taking in Western Ukraine.
Almost certainly by design, a lot of the Nationalists are no longer among the living. Seems to me that the Ukrainian military planners (aka, the CIA) did everything they could to get the Nationalist forces killed off, and away from the defense of their native areas. But some have survived. Seems that a good number of the regular army currently working on Eastern issues are conscripts or typical non-fanatic troops who trying (and often failing) to stay alive as Russia finishes up this phase of their 'special military action.'
By now even the most unsophisticated of the Nationalists must surely be starting to understand what tools they have been. And who's been using them...and it wasn't generally 'the Russians'.
Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/
If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be. I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.
Keep dreaming about motivated combatants fleeing their land, meanwhile have a read... here.
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He is one of more than 25,000 Russians to have arrived in Georgia since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russians have been struggling to find affordable accommodation in all the major cities. Many can be seen wandering around the capital, Tbilisi, with their suitcases and often even their pets.
A blue-and-yellow ribbon is attached to the lapel of Yevgeny's trench-coat - the colours of the Ukrainian flag. It was these ribbons that got him arrested at an anti-war protest in Russia, a day after it launched its war on Ukraine.
"I understood the best way to act against Putin's regime would be my emigration from Russia," says the 23-year old politics graduate. "It's my responsibility to do anything I can to help the Ukrainians."
The exodus does not stop at Georgia. The EU, US, UK and Canada have closed their airspace to Russian flights, so they are heading for countries where flights are still permitted and where visas are not required, such as Turkey, Central Asia and the South Caucasus. Many have fled to Armenia.
According to one estimate by a Russian economist, as many as 200,000 Russians have left their country since the start of the war.
A blue-and-yellow ribbon is attached to the lapel of Yevgeny's trench-coat - the colours of the Ukrainian flag. It was these ribbons that got him arrested at an anti-war protest in Russia, a day after it launched its war on Ukraine.
"I understood the best way to act against Putin's regime would be my emigration from Russia," says the 23-year old politics graduate. "It's my responsibility to do anything I can to help the Ukrainians."
The exodus does not stop at Georgia. The EU, US, UK and Canada have closed their airspace to Russian flights, so they are heading for countries where flights are still permitted and where visas are not required, such as Turkey, Central Asia and the South Caucasus. Many have fled to Armenia.
According to one estimate by a Russian economist, as many as 200,000 Russians have left their country since the start of the war.
Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/
If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be. I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.
While discussing about a NATO country joining the war and other fairy tales, Putin's war with Ukraine is stalled. Odessa's air defences and Belgorod's are quite active at the moment. Izum seems to be the last noticeable advance, but pincer movements are stalled. There seems to be an attempt to conduct an increased air warfare, but Ukraine is now a porcupine, bite it and you will bleed. Putin's psychos have decided that it is a great idea to destroy the Ukrainian infrastructure all over the country: hospitals, schools, bridges, industries, civil infrastructure,...
There will be a permanent diplomatic cost on that. Firstly, Russia's assets may be seized across the world to pay reparations. Secondly, Ukraine will have even more reasons to look west for financing and prosperity and lastly, due to the atrocities and sub-human way of waging war of Putin's Chief Psycho, there will be a decades long hate to anything Russian right by their border.
IMHO, the US does not want Putin to go - it would create chaos on a country that holds too many nukes. However they have stated that the policy is to ensure that Putin nor the RF possesses the means to wage another war against Ukraine or anyone else. This is now not just about a peace in Ukraine or if there will be any territorial loss, it is a permanent loss of diplomatic and commercial status.
How is this going to be achieved? Playing with Putin's need to present some short of victory. Making him and his psychos believe that they are almost there, near some form of victory that somehow manages to elude them... but it will never be. Tactical Cannon Fodder battalions will suffer 20% losses over and over and become inoperative, Putin's air force will be loosing irreplaceable pilots and planes. Also, infrastructure in Russia can now be a legitimate target, and it will be targeted.
But that is not the worst. The sanctions are not just an economic weapon, is also a technological one. Modern Russia is not the USSR, they do depend on components that are not locally sourced. The effects will be devastating for the industry.
Putin's Russia a quite autonomous economy, but there is no way to avoid an 8% drop in GDP this year and that may only be the beginning of decades on depending on China for trade. I would not want to be in that position.
Meanwhile, in Putin's controlled Donetsk...
There will be a permanent diplomatic cost on that. Firstly, Russia's assets may be seized across the world to pay reparations. Secondly, Ukraine will have even more reasons to look west for financing and prosperity and lastly, due to the atrocities and sub-human way of waging war of Putin's Chief Psycho, there will be a decades long hate to anything Russian right by their border.
IMHO, the US does not want Putin to go - it would create chaos on a country that holds too many nukes. However they have stated that the policy is to ensure that Putin nor the RF possesses the means to wage another war against Ukraine or anyone else. This is now not just about a peace in Ukraine or if there will be any territorial loss, it is a permanent loss of diplomatic and commercial status.
How is this going to be achieved? Playing with Putin's need to present some short of victory. Making him and his psychos believe that they are almost there, near some form of victory that somehow manages to elude them... but it will never be. Tactical Cannon Fodder battalions will suffer 20% losses over and over and become inoperative, Putin's air force will be loosing irreplaceable pilots and planes. Also, infrastructure in Russia can now be a legitimate target, and it will be targeted.
But that is not the worst. The sanctions are not just an economic weapon, is also a technological one. Modern Russia is not the USSR, they do depend on components that are not locally sourced. The effects will be devastating for the industry.
Putin's Russia a quite autonomous economy, but there is no way to avoid an 8% drop in GDP this year and that may only be the beginning of decades on depending on China for trade. I would not want to be in that position.
Meanwhile, in Putin's controlled Donetsk...
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Poland was already claiming that Russia could attack them so they could be sent a peacekeeping force to Ukraine so that war stays on the soil of Ukraine.
Lol clownworld. Did't know there is currently peace in Ukraine to sent "peacekeeping" force. Last i know there was war.Poland was already claiming that Russia could attack them so they could be sent a peacekeeping force to Ukraine so that war stays on the soil of Ukraine.
So nowadays if attack is expected you sent the defence far away and let the country exposed?
I also got information about a possible Polish invasion of Ukraine. (This could be a rumor). The information says Poland will send troops to western Ukraine as a peacekeeping mission, which will create a border between eastern and western Ukraine. That information also mentioned that this plan was made a long time ago. I cannot disclose the source of the info, but there is a 50-50 chance, I think. But this will divide Ukraine into two parts and could create a similar situation to the Vietnam War.
So Poland, a country that lost its president in a very strange plane accident in Russia, a man who was a critic of Putin and who warned Ukraine that it was going to be Putin's next target after Georgia, would invade Ukraine and help Russia? Poland, which is a member and supporter of Ukraine's application to EU and NATO, a supplier of arms and aid against Russia, a supporter of sanctions against Russia, a country through which most of the aid from other countries is moved and who took a million refugees from Ukraine. Just another day of Russian trolling. Tomorrow they'll say that Finland is planning to invade them and therefore they have to strike first.
Currently, we are in a very strange political situation. A couple of months ago, many were reluctant to believe Russia would invade Ukraine. After seeing everything it seems everything is possible to me. I hope this war stays within Ukraine, but some strange activity from the Russian side says something else. Poland was already claiming that Russia could attack them so they could be sent a peacekeeping force to Ukraine so that war stays on the soil of Ukraine.
I also got information about a possible Polish invasion of Ukraine. (This could be a rumor). The information says Poland will send troops to western Ukraine as a peacekeeping mission, which will create a border between eastern and western Ukraine. That information also mentioned that this plan was made a long time ago. I cannot disclose the source of the info, but there is a 50-50 chance, I think. But this will divide Ukraine into two parts and could create a similar situation to the Vietnam War.
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I also got information about a possible Polish invasion of Ukraine. (This could be a rumor). The information says Poland will send troops to western Ukraine as a peacekeeping mission, which will create a border between eastern and western Ukraine. That information also mentioned that this plan was made a long time ago. I cannot disclose the source of the info, but there is a 50-50 chance, I think. But this will divide Ukraine into two parts and could create a similar situation to the Vietnam War.
So Poland, a country that lost its president in a very strange plane accident in Russia, a man who was a critic of Putin and who warned Ukraine that it was going to be Putin's next target after Georgia, would invade Ukraine and help Russia? Poland, which is a member and supporter of Ukraine's application to EU and NATO, a supplier of arms and aid against Russia, a supporter of sanctions against Russia, a country through which most of the aid from other countries is moved and who took a million refugees from Ukraine. Just another day of Russian trolling. Tomorrow they'll say that Finland is planning to invade them and therefore they have to strike first.
Russia might be offing some of their business executives connected to energy firm Gazprom: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/29/europe/russian-oligarchs-suicides-intl/index.html
Some of these include alleged murder suicides. Russian hitmen will not spare women and children apparently.
As you all know, Gazprom is involved in cutting off energy supplies to Poland. Maybe these business executives were obstacles. Their deaths all occurring within some suspicious circumstances in different countries with many connected to Russian energy. Coincidence?
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A top executive at Gazprom was found dead in his cottage in the village of Leninsky near Leningrad on January 30, 2022, according to Russian state media RIA Novosti. RIA reported that a suicide note was found at the scene and that the investigators were investigating the death as a suicide. Russian national broadcaster RenTv has identified the man as Leonid Shulman, the head of transport at Gazprom Invest.
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Mikhail Watform, a Ukrainian-born Russian billionaire, was found dead in his home in Surrey, England on February 28. Surrey Police told CNN that the death is being investigated by the coroner, who said a hearing will be held on July 29.
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Another Russian businessman, Vasily Melnikov, was found dead alongside his family in Nizhny Novgorod in late March, according to the Russian newspaper Kommersant.
Melnikov owned MedStom, a medical supplies company. According to Russia's Investigative Committee, a 43-year-old man, his wife, 41, and two children aged four and 10 were found stabbed to death on March 23. The committee did not name Melnikov, but the ages of the dead and the location of the incident match the Kommersant report.
Melnikov owned MedStom, a medical supplies company. According to Russia's Investigative Committee, a 43-year-old man, his wife, 41, and two children aged four and 10 were found stabbed to death on March 23. The committee did not name Melnikov, but the ages of the dead and the location of the incident match the Kommersant report.
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Vladislav Avayev, the former vice-president of Gazprombank, was found dead with his wife and daughter in his Moscow apartment on April 18, according to Russian state news agency Tass.
Citing a source in law enforcement, Tass claimed authorities were investigating the Avayevs' deaths as a murder-suicide.
Citing a source in law enforcement, Tass claimed authorities were investigating the Avayevs' deaths as a murder-suicide.
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Just a day later, on April 19, Sergey Protosenya, former executive at the gas producer Novatek, which is partially owned by Gazprom, was found dead north of Barcelona. The bodies of his wife and daughter were found nearby, an official source close to the investigation told CNN last week. Protesenya, his wife and daughter were found at their home in Lloret de Mar, a Mediterranean resort near Barcelona. The bodies of the two women, showing signs of having suffered violence, were found inside the family's luxury home, and the body of Protosenya was found in the garden outside, according to the source. The case is being investigated as a double-murder and subsequent suicide in a domestic violence case.
Some of these include alleged murder suicides. Russian hitmen will not spare women and children apparently.
As you all know, Gazprom is involved in cutting off energy supplies to Poland. Maybe these business executives were obstacles. Their deaths all occurring within some suspicious circumstances in different countries with many connected to Russian energy. Coincidence?
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