Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 315. (Read 73577 times)

And this person tells me about critical thinking and that he is less exposed to propaganda.
facepalm.

I think no matter how much evidence provide, you still won’t believe that a real war is going on, where people are dying and real blood.


You are the worst analyst. You could not accurately predict anything and make money on it.
Tell us better here how you last year, at the peak of a high price, got into mining hardware, mined and did not sell cryptocurrency while it was on the pump. Now the cryptocurrency has dropped in price, you are just another hamster who has not earned anything and imagines himself to be an expert.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-pm-says-new-chinese-base-would-be-red-line-for-australia-us

Think we're hitting the peak of the irony here. So how many here are going to start yelling about Solomon Islands' right to join whatever pact they want? Or Chinese cookies are different than Nuland's cookies? Surely China can find a lot more countries around the globe where it can offer some irresistibly profitable trading terms in exchange for some military cooperation. That's the problem with precedents, once you set them then you reap what you sow.

The justification for US screwing Cuba was that Cuba's proximity to US was an existential threat, that got us through cold war. Why, why did they have to challenge that and rock the boat now?

November 30, 2021 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putin-warns-west-moscow-red-line-ukraine-nato-81466257

Ukraine has been actively preparing for its attack on the Donbass all winter. There was a lot of talk about the possibility of a Russian invasion, but however, it turned out to be a complete surprise for Ukraine, NATO intelligence simply overslept it. The genius of Putin's strategy lies precisely in the fact that, according to the military canons current as of February 2022, it was technically impossible - too small forces participated in Russian military exercises near the border with Ukraine and NATO intelligence did not take this threat seriously. This gave Russia at the start of the operation the staggering advantage of a surprise strike from which Ukraine still seems to be in shock.

As Francis Scott Fitzgerald said, "The mark of a first-class brain is the ability to keep two mutually exclusive thoughts in mind at the same time without losing the ability to think". There are rumors that I am the best analyst of the Russian locale, but this is not certain.

Well, why didn't they do it? Why didn't they decide to de-blockade Mariupol or to strengthen the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the East in order to avoid closing the boiler? The Russians left the north, but the grouping of the Ukrainian army near Kyiv remained, what are they doing there? Eliminate the imaginary Russian threat, as if there were not enough real threats in the east and south?

It seems that success in the north could not be sustained with the approach of the spring thaw and the growth of leaves on the trees. The risk of being cut off from supplies and the complete loss of the northern group outweighed the risk of a possible provocation at Chernobyl. Today, IAEA specialists are to arrive there and assess the situation on the spot. I hope Ukraine has enough remnants of common sense not to turn its country into a radioactive garbage dump, will see.

I think Putin is quite healthy, perhaps at that moment he was more tense than usual.

Putin’s famous long table, which has already become a meme, was used by him only for face-to-face dialogue with those politicians who refused to take a test for covid-19 to Putin’s doctors (apparently out of fear of giving Russia their DNA sample). This is a common precaution during a pandemic, if you have not forgotten about this word. Politicians who agree to and successfully pass this test are much closer to Putin, including direct physical contact through a handshake when appropriate.

You may be very surprised, but the Minister of Defense of Russia, General of the Army Shoigu, did not serve military service and does not have a military education. Perhaps his public appearance in civilian clothes means that the military operations of the Russian army in Ukraine are now rather led by General of the Army Alexander Dvornikov. Although Putin is still the supreme commander in chief, and Shoigu is still the minister of defense, of course. But Dvornikov seems to have a big operational carte blanche and he is the one who draws arrows on the map.

Mariupol is a show of force. The attackers' lack of numerical superiority, the use by Ukraine of dominant heights in urban development and civilians as a human shield - did not stop the Chechen assault battalions and the people's militia of Donbass. The city will be restored, with the exception of Azovstal.

If there is an order to clean up Nikolaev, Kharkov, Odessa, Lvov or Kyiv, they will do it again, now you know about it and all of Ukraine now knows and all of the World now knows. Russians fight not by numbers, but by skill, and for them there are no impossible combat missions.

You are right, a real civil war has been going on in Ukraine for 8 years, the genocide of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass. Russia is not at war, she came to stop it. I call a spade a spade.

In the meantime, the EU is censoring the internet lol. I hope no one gets arrested for reading my post. Take care of yourself there in the stronghold of the victorious democracy.

ps A video bonus of the military chronicle from Andrey Filatov, now he is wounded in the hospital and uploads footage from the last days of the cleansing of Mariupol to the network. Here is the work of the rather exotic Russian wunderwaffe UR-77 of the engineering troops, which is usually used to clear a passage in minefields. One shot contains about 800kg of explosives, a harsh thing.

I think you confused something. Ukraine count their dead men, few weeks ago Zelensky mentioned estimate numbers of dead and injured, but they reasons not to give frequent updates about it. While Russia really leaves their dead troops to rot in fields and to be eaten by wild dogs, despite that they're saying ''Svoikh Ne Brosaem''. And there is thousands of unclaimed dead soldiers are stored in Ukrainian morgues:
https://www.businessinsider.com/7000-unclaimed-dead-russian-soldiers-left-in-morgues-ukraine-says-2022-4
And seems that you completely don't understand situation. Conditions for Putin's offered peace is complete capitulation of Ukraine

I can't diagnose disease from photo, but do you think that Putin is looking OK in this photo? And where these long tables is gone? Wouldn't be surprised if it's another faked video. And it's also not often thing to see Shoigu wearing civilian clothes.
Biden is another story, but I don't like whataboutism.

Especially Mariupol.

I know that in Russia you're not allowed to use word war for this, but sorry, that's war. One country armoured invasion into another country is war. Yes, there is no martial law and mass mobilization in Russia, but these things happening in Ukraine is war. But Russia sometimes don't like call thing with real their names.

It's sad to watch how brainwashed they are. Ukrainians even call some of them and they are repeating the same mantra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjhfQrtuJ-A
-Why are you in Ukraine?
-We want to disarm you because you use nazi symbols on your uniforms.
-How many Russians have died for this?
-3000 (lol)
-What if it includes your son? If we were nazis he wouldn't be sitting here with us.

They are killing women and children and destroying whole towns because they saw nazi symbols in Ukraine and they use these symbols in Russia.
What would Russians say if NATO bombed Moscow because of some nationalist marches being held there?


We have already learned in this thread that these are pictures of:
-buildings hit by Ukrainian fire because Ukrainians want to kill Russians at all cost even sacrificing their own towns
-buildings hit by Ukrainian artillery that missed their targets
-places destroyed by crashing Russian jets and helicopters that Ukrainians shot down (not Russian fault)
-places destroyed by Russian missiles that were diverted or damaged by Ukrainian fire. Missiles were going towards military targets but were forced by Ukrainian forces into civilian bildings
-civilian buildings where Ukrainian nazis were hiding
-civilian buildings used to store weapons and ammo for Ukrainian forces deliberately targeted by Russians
-civilian buildings destroyed by Ukrainians on purpose to make it look like Russians are doing it to make the world impose more sanctions

Regardless of what his next move is, one thing is certain, the future is scary. Putin might have failed his initial plan of conquering Ukraine within a few days, but his military has captured major Ukrainian cities, which account for quite a large part of their whole country. On top of that, he isn't going to stop there, as you've also mentioned, Putin will head for the three major cities, practically blocking Ukraine's access to the sea while at the same time surrounding Kyiv from nearly all sides.

I love how you flip-flop between "Putin's army is invincible" and "Ukrainians are so many and so mean", sometimes in the same post.


LOL... so Ukrainians couldn't move from Kyiv to Donbas in the ~3 weeks while Russians were retreating through Belarus. Nonsense.


And then they gave the control back to allow Ukraine to do the "provocations"?

The explanation is far simpler. Putin though that he would actually take the city, that it would surrender. He failed. The unprepared Russian soldiers died by the thousands.

However, I agree in the general sense: Russia does not have the numbers to achieve a major victory of any kind.

I think that the Ukrainian military strategically has been mostly intelligent and technically well prepared. When Putin stated over and over that he would not invade Ukraine, they did not prepare for the best case, but for the worst scenario and they were right.


You are confusing determination with nervousness. Putin is certainly shelling, bombing and launching missile attacks at Ukrainian cities and villages, if you want to deny that is up to you. At this point nobody has any doubt about it, not even in Russia.

Yes, sleep tight... and repeat three times "I am safe in Putin's Russia" if you dream of dead soldiers and burnt bodies.

Or maybe you just have a lot of shit in your head?  

No matter how many tanks you have, you can't take with 50,000 soldiers a city of 3 million that doesn't want to fly the white flag. Even now, Russia does not have a numerical advantage in Ukraine, this operation is technically impossible - and therefore it will be included in military textbooks. I have already said above that the attack from the north was a diversionary tactical maneuver - in order to pin down the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kyiv, which now cannot help in the Donbass, and in order to quickly take control of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant and exclude possible provocations by Ukraine with radioactive contamination of the area.

No one is bombing your cities, calm down already. The only object that was bombed was the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, until the moment the Azov commander said that there were civilians in the bunker. During the two months of the operation, about 40 air bombs were dropped on Ukraine - all on Azovstal. I'm already tired of our conversation today, I'll go to sleep.

The argument is just stupid, but let's follow it: Putin has not declared war in Ukraine. However he is bombing the cities. Are you saying then that Putin is a terrorist?

Or, in another way: Putin is doing a Special Bulshitwhatever, but then Ukraine has exactly the same right to do the same.

Do you think that not declaring war means that there is not actually a war? Even historically, Japan did not declare war, they simply bombed Pearl Harbour.

Your country is at war. There are consequences if you bomb someone else's cities. It is effectively an act of war by any international law, you do not need to declare it.

The last war on earth was 1945 ? OMG, I bow before your knowledge of history. It certainly explains a lot of what you write.

Your reenactment of 1984 in its full gas-lit glory is not going to work on anyone. It's a war. Military forces of one country invaded another country. War.


So what does that say about Russian forces if they had to retreat from Kyiv and are stuck for 2 months elsewhere against < 20% of Ukraine's military equipment?

Or is it perhaps possible that Russian propaganda is full of lies?

You don't follow the dynamics of events very well. It seems that 80+% of all Ukrainian tanks and planes were destroyed in the first few days of the operation by massive missile strikes throughout Ukraine, when these tanks and planes were parked in rows. (If Putin had immediately ordered to hit the army barracks with missiles, 80% of the manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have been destroyed in the first days, but this did not happen). After the dispersal of tanks, they have already ceased to be a target for missile strikes, with rare exceptions, because it is difficult to hit a single tank with a rocket and it is stupid to waste a rocket on a single tank. Do you understand anything about the military or just like to press buttons on the keyboard with a smart look?

This is not my logic, there are some established rules for declaring war - for example, you need to hand over the appropriate note to the embassy, and then the war began. And after the signing of the peace treaty, the war ended. The last war on planet Earth was declared by Russia to Japan in August 1945 and it has not yet ended, because Russia and Japan have not yet signed a peace treaty. Therefore, do not throw around the word "war" in vain, not every armed conflict is a war.

Per your logic, US was not at war in Irak because there was no full mobilisation. Even you must be aware that this level of bullshit cannot be digested even by the most convinced Russian supremacist.

Yes, and Japan was on a Special Military Operation with the United States during WW II. And Germany was on a Special Military Operation in Stalingrad and the the UK bombed Rotterdam in a Special Military Operation.

Now, Ukraine is in his right to undergo a Special Military Operation in Russia.

It is so funny if you think of it, Ukraine cannot attack targets in Russian soil because Putin has decided to call his war "a Special whateverthebullsh*t". You are once more an bottomless pit of fun.

Tanks or other armored vehicles - 2400 destroyed in 60 days comes to ~40 average per day. If you're saying that they don't destroy as many recently, then it means they must have destroyed even more in the early days of the war, perhaps even before the foreign shipments arrived... meaning what? Ukrainians have been holding Russian offence even longer with their 6... well, not even tanks, it's like one tank, one BTR, two howitzers, and two BMPs according to the propagandons

You seem to have tangled up in your pretzel.

Or perhaps Russian propaganda is full of lies.

You don't seem to understand this. Russia is not at war with Ukraine, this is a military special operation. If Russia had really declared war on Ukraine, it would have ended a month ago. There is no martial law in Russia, there is no mass mobilization, normal peaceful life is going on in all regions, with the exception of three regions bordering Ukraine, where a yellow level of terrorist threat has been declared. I do not know with whom Ukraine is fighting there, but Russia did not come to this war. And be glad it is.

Ah.... there your are. You did not get it at all. Russia is waging a war in Ukraine. I am going to repeat it to you because I do not think you fully understand the situation:

Your country is at war. Russia is a belligerent nation in a war with Ukraine.

What did you think? That this was all about watching the killing Ukrainian civils and military, destroying their infrastructures and sitting in your couch slamming the keyboard? Well, breaking news for you: Ukraine is perfectly in his right to blow any military, logistics, transportation or command related infrastructure in Russia. It is not terrorism, it is absolutely to the rules of war. They could even put a bomb in the Kremlin and it would be a perfectly legitimate target.

Not only that, they are perfectly in their right to launch air strikes, missiles or covert ops, lets say for example in the vicinity of Minsk. Remember this, any legal (war rules) operation in the vicinity of let's say, Minsk.


On this, I have to ask: Blame Ukraine for what? If they were blasting apartments in Moscow, there would be some blame game, but destroying any military target or killing anyone involved in espionage, counterintelligence, etc... is simply called war, and we know who started.

I do get that it may be intended to generate hate in Russia towards Ukraine thus having people supporting their government, but "nor confirmed or denied" it is legit.


You intend this as a joke, but the divide in the US is extreme. Recently, I meet a girl from California. She mentioned that they call the "bible belt" (Missouri, Mississippi, Texas,...) the "fly over states". They could not despise more the deep south, and, from my own experience when I lived there, I cannot blame them.

Destroyed Ukrainian tanks are now rarely included in the reports of the Russian Defense Ministry. It seems that recently there was an attempt to break through in the Kharkov region on 10 tanks, 8 of them were destroyed. And so I don’t even remember that in military reports recently it was about tanks. A tank is an inconvenient target for a missile strike, I think they are more often burned from Ka-52 Alligator helicopters during combat missions.

I think we are both telling the truth, but looking from different angles. The DPR statement of April 25, this is after Russia took control of the 65th arsenal near Kharkov (which is the largest in Europe, by the way). Plus, in the East, Ukraine, for objective reasons, has long had some difficulties with the logistics for transporting ammunition to the front line, I think fresh batches of weapons from the West settle mainly in the West or in the Center of Ukraine. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine made large stocks of ammunition directly in their fortified areas in the Donbass in winter. Earlier, I saw a video with a fighter of the people's militia of Donbass, he said that they attack lightly, using mostly captured ammunition.

Take care of yourself, puppy.

ps The confession of a captive officer of the Marine Corps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Mariupol that he raped a woman with a Ukrainian passport in front of her husband, whom he killed with his gun in the process. Demilitarized and denazified by Russia.