Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 319. (Read 77154 times)

I think the ambitions to take the South of Ukraine are not the main, but the accompanying goal of Russia in this operation. Moreover, it appeared already during the operation due to the unwillingness of Ukraine to voluntarily lay down its arms. The stronger and longer Ukraine resists, the worse the terms of the peace agreement will be for it. Russia does not need a truce for 10-15-20 years, in order to then again step on the same Ukrainian rake. Putin will not repeat Khrushchev's mistake in rehabilitating Bandera in the 1950s.

They can join whatever alliance they want once the breakaway republics have broken away.
Or are you of the opinion people can not break away and have a free choice?


Luhansk and Donetsk already independend


Yugoslavia 2.0 very much

I think that Nikolaev, Kharkov and Odessa are now facing a difficult choice - to repeat the fate of Kherson or Mariupol. Both cities are now under Russian control, but Kherson was taken almost without resistance, and Mariupol with heavy urban fighting. From the point of view of access to the sea, in my opinion, Nikolaev is even more important than Odessa (and both of them are not as important as Mariupol), but Russia has a personal score with Odessa for the incident in the House of Trade Unions.

It is very difficult to predict which direction Russia has a higher priority now - to close the boiler in the Donbas for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in eastern Ukraine, or to connect with Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria in southern Ukraine. The Russian General Staff is reluctant to voice its plans.

Meanwhile, the Guardian published an article with the results of the work of forensic experts, who found that "dozens" of Bucha residents from mass graves were killed by small darts from artillery shrapnel shells. The general tone of the article is still anti-Russian (it would be strange to expect otherwise from the Guardian), but the results of the examination make one wonder - for example, how the Russians could fire artillery at the city, which they themselves held at the time.

If Zelensky (or more aptly, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) wants to be a hero to his tribe, he could carry on with clearing out the Slavs to help set up for a New (and Better) Israel.  Closer to home, too, if one buys the '13th tribe' Khazar hypothesis or notices where most of the Ashkanazi Israelis came from.  Anyway, they couldn't do it without the able assistance of Russia of course.

I've heard that so far 'nearly 6 million Ukrainians' have fled as refugees heading to elsewhere, and Russia has a long way to go to shove the non-Noahide-capable people up into the far West in the (current) bordered areas or outside the borders completely.  That '6-million' figure tends to be 'sticky' in that part of the world somehow, but I expect that it will be blasted through shortly.  Even if the 'refugee' count stands still from here (highly unlikely) it is a pretty significant portion of the total population of (current) Ukraine.

Another big batch of refugees could be just what the doctor ordered in the project(s) of sinking target countries (esp, the U.S.) and there are some choice specimens for export as evidenced by the swastika tattoos.  Proverbial 'mixed multitude.'

For a while now it has struck me that 'the Jews' seem to WANT to be blamed for the vaccine catastrophe among other upcoming crises such as the currency collapse, famine, etc.  It's actually not to difficult to understand why, or to see some historical precedents and philosophical matches; if 'the Jews' are 'chased out' of one place they will pop up in another.  It's happened a lot through history.  For the hard-of-thinking, my suggestion is that the design is for that place to be 'New Israel' where a big chunk of the Ukraine now sits.

As for 'old Israel', it was never much of a thing to the Khazars who's religious family tree has roots sprouting from Babylon.  The Sephardim and assorted other crackpot fanatics will probably be left behind to fend for themselves and 'fulfill biblical prophecy.'

I'd also note that if any society even comes close to achieving a 'new normal' which is as Zelensky was crowing about several months ago, it won't even matter if there are die-hard nazis peppering a society.  Everyone of every stripe will be completely immobilized and 'crime' will be a thing of the past.  China led the way here, and are demonstrating how easy it is to control a starving city of 25,000,000 from a set of keyboards and some cloud infrastructure to run simulations and monitor things.

Who did they join before NATO?
If there were no military conflict during that time, they should stick to it to avoid war since they are no position to win. There were disputes between the two countries but it didn't end in war.

I think you're confused.   Working to qualify for and join NATO has been part of Ukraines constitution for almost a decade, years before Zelensky was elected..  And because of Putin, other countries who previously showed little interest appear to be changing their minds.

Don't you think Ukraine should be able to decide which alliance they join?

Maybe I could be joking. Its not a very good time to joke. But its also not a good time for war because of the covid and recession.

Zelensky is confuse of which is his priorities. If he wants to continue to play hero for the NATO, he can go on with the war. But if he wants to be a hero for the Ukrainians, lets top the war and lets provide a better place of the Ukrainians and not completely drive them away form their own country.  Stop watching people dying out of hunger.

I thought you were joking, but maybe not...

We couldn't really say how much are dead on Ukraine's side. Only the Russians has the time to count their dead mean since they have this war in control. Ukrainian dead were even left on the roadside to rot. And the infrastructures that are destroyed are in Ukraine. If they want their country to be still like remains as is which they can pick up the pieces and resume back to where they are before the war, they could just go on with the peacetalks. Putin still offer the peacetalks afaik.

If Zelensky has care for the country he should be accepting the peace talk that Putin is offering. Its been two months, no one is going to go to Ukraine for war. Regret always happen after things are over but they can stop it while its yet not too late. They may even given opportunities after. Heck Russia has more gas and oil to offer to Ukraine if they make business instead. They may even help rebuild the country.

Another spontaneous combustion, maybe even two:





Unlike the alleged helicopter attack in Belgorod a few weeks ago, this is much deeper in Russian territory (~15 miles vs ~70 miles).

And if somehow America invading those countries makes it ok for Russia to invade Ukraine today, then why wasn't it ok for America to invade those countries because of all the invasions carried out by the Soviet Union?

yep, another whattabout. Since it happened here, there and somewhere, it is ok to have it in Ukraine.

Ah Oh:  PUTIN Extreme Panic Ukraine kills 50 top Russian FIFTY officers and destroys enemy command

These totally true facts prove that the end is near for the last of the Rooshins who couldn't find their way back across the border in the stream of continuous routs since the special military action began.

Can I be friends with all of you gaggle dead-ender Q-tards now, or do I have to report "Putin passes out drunk; wakes up...IN GITMO!" to achieve some credibility?

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Circling back to the 'mass graves' in Mariupol area, now an on-the-scene report from the area showing basically exactly what I would have expected in the circumstances as I understand them:

  Ukrainian newest false flag of "mass graves" promoted by the Guardian
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZSLvHQD3C5TQ/

Are you saying that the US has carried out suicide attacks against Iraqui civilians? Obviously, this is not something that has happened.

The number you are citing includes deaths caused by the opposition, aka the side the US was fighting.

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Both sides are likely seeing losses greater than what they would like. Regardless of how the war ends, based on how much of Russia's military was committed to Ukraine, after everything is said and done, Russia will be much more vulnerable to attack because the world will see that it's military is a joke.

These are psycho-bots, the algorithm is:

- We did not do it, it was the Ukrainians to themselves. Else
- We did do it, because Ukrainian are holding their own civilians hostage. Else
- We did do it, but all of them were Nazis occupying a nursery, a school, a theatre, hospital, a civic centre. And

It is all photoshop.
That mass grave or bodies lying around have nothing to do with us. Else
We are just planting trees. Else
They were Nazis. Else

AND we are right, because people in twitter say so, the Russian Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland Tales says so, the outlet "putinislovelyforever.com" says so and even the Washington Post - if your read it correctly, like we do - supports our version.

The fundamental element here is to dehumanize the dead, so it is justified to kill. Example, this is Lyudmila Pavlichenko. She killed 300 German soldiers, mostly one by one, with a shot, not with anonymous bombing, a personalised one on one death. When asked how many men she had killed, her answer is "I did not kill any man, I killed fascists".

Anyone that is not a psychopath needs to believe that they are not really assassins, yet...

There's no use explaining why such a conspiracy theory is impossible to stage, it's the same people who claimed that Covid-19 deaths were faked during the first wave of the pandemic.

It's exactly 2 months since the Russian invasion started, with massive casualties, cities destroyed, soldiers and innocent civilians killed. It's astonishing that there are people who doubt other people's misfortune, claiming stupid conspiracy theories, scene staging and faking deaths. Certainly, there's propaganda out there, but claiming something like that is outrageous.

Have you seen the bombed cities, Mariupol for instance. Do you really believe that people haven't died? We're talking about innocent civilian lives right here, but there you are again, the same conspiracy theorists from Covid-19 threads.

Massive conspiracy, like the one that placed
Biden in office when Trump really won.

There's satellite footage of bodies in the street while the Russians were occupying the city.

There's drone footage of Russians open firing on civilians.

There have been dozens of interviews from survivors. 

Reports from dozens of Independent journalists from all over the world directly conflict what you believe "seems to have happened".

Your theory would require a massive conspiracy to cover up how all those people were killed.

What seems to have happened in Bucha is that Ukrainian SS teams quickly filled the vacuum when the Russians left and assassinated the 'collaborators'.  Rules of war compelled the Russians to provide for the minimal needs of occupied civilians (food, water, etc.)  This they were doing.  Unfortunately anyone who availed of or assisted with distribution was considered a 'collaborator' by the more extreme elements of the Ukrainian political structures and these people were summarily executed.  Then they tried to use the aftermath as a false-flag.

What seems to have happened in Mariupol is that Azov were using the local housing as firing points (which I don't have a problem with absent other options), but they were using the local population as human shields and they were doing what they needed to do to keep them in captivity.  That translated to open season on targets from their firing points.  This is why the civilian bodies in the streets seem to have died well before there was close combat fighting with the Russian urban combat specialists in a given area.

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The hypothesis forming up in my mind is that (Ukrainian/Jewish oligarch who owns Azov) Kolomoyski, and even the neocons and CIA who manage Azov, are basically on Russia's side and are playing a long-game involving Russia effectively controlling the new state/territory to be formed in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.  There will be a 'rump' left in Western Ukraine consisting of what is left of the Azov-aligned forces and ideologically aligned people, and it might even be 'given back' to Poland at that time.  The hatred for these Nazi-esque people among any populations 'defended' by them in the 2022 war will be extreme and long-lasting which is effectively the same thing as inducing the peeps to shift their support to the Russian-aligned factions.

Honestly, it looks to me as though the same dynamics of 'totalitarian rule enforced by street thugs' was the norm in the Donbass areas as well, but with substitution of Stalin for Hilter as a 'historical father figure'.  Ironically, while the native populations of Germany, Russia, China, etc, distanced themselves from own legacy baggage (Hitler, Stalin, Mao) fairly quickly when it became practical to do so, certain pockets of the more distant areas did not and continue to lionize them.  I say this as a person living currently where there is a low-grade communist insurgency which is classified by some as 'Maoist'.  I must say, though, that it would surprise me if almost any of the bullet-stoppers filling their ranks had the slightest interest or understanding of history, politics, etc beyond some minimal level of well-honed propaganda.  Same could be said of their counterparts on the government side too of course.