Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 322. (Read 73577 times)

This thread is not about your purchases from Amazon, unless you are forecasting Putin's future with that?

A shortage of energy in Europe impeding the manufacturing of weapons you say? Is that what Putin's media says? I am amazed at their creativity... perhaps decades ago they collected something from the fields of poppies in Afghanistan and their are still smoking it.

The calculation is simple, if Germany, France and perhaps some of the minors effectively rise the military spending to 2%, it would already surpass Russia (which spends already 11% of their GDP on weapons). Putin's Tzardom is simply outclassed.

It is true, some countries in Europe are passing their old Soviet tanks, SAMs and jets and getting cute modern NATO weaponry. It is like when the government gives you a bonus for changing your car to a better one.

Are you saying Ukraine (which isn't a real country according to Putin) used trash weapons that nobody else even wanted to stop the mighty Russian army (and friends) from taking Kiev and forced them to abandon their primary mission and retreat?

How embarrassing.

It (skepticism of orthodox mainstream information/norms) used to be that way more, but honestly there have been a surprising number of 'normies' even in the early days.  The main difference between the anacro-normies and today's crop is that the old-timers generally liked crypto-currency (and are now fairly well off.)  The noobs come in all shades in terms of their disposition toward crypto, and are generally not so well off one would expect of the early adopters.

I do suspect that once some of the real power-players in society recognized the complications possible from the development of distributed crypto-currencies, they had their troll-farm contractors assign some resources to the issue and some of they landed here.  Some of them may have stayed even as the importance of this forum waned.  Or not.

Are you not forgetting someone in that "benefits report"? You know... like the several thousand Russian soldiers dead and those that will die in vain for a septuagenarian fool? And their children and widows?

I was not sure your scriptwriters were psychos until now. Hold on... that's it... there is another benefit: reducing the personnel costs of Putin's army.

Oh, oh.. another benefit: less cost in test dummies for Javelins (they are now being tested on Putin's soldiers) and another Poland and Czech Republic can swap their old Russian equipment for NATO one by sending the old stuff to Ukraine (Migs, S-300,...) Boy, one for me personally... I am getting a few tanks at 100 USD, and also Putin got rid of a few generals that surely were expensive to maintain.



- The world is not just America. There are news outlets everywhere.
- Anyone in the West can create an outlet or provide news and opinion. For example, Joe Rogan was no-one a few years ago and now reaches millions. For example "techstartups" can freely speak about how they are not free to speak and you can speak in the forum about how you cannot speak freely.

And in math terms 6 is six times more than one - being that one Putin.


I see, is like having a secret girlfriend. You are an anarchist at heart, but you are fine with a despot. Either you have a really poor script writer or you need to try a different medication for each of your personalities.

In any case, it is great that you are happy with Putin, you have no other choice.



So, in your world it works like this: Joe waves his Magic Vetowand of Power and all the sudden the war stops? Sorry to break the news to you, the world does not work like that.

Now, back to reality, I have already stated that the US is not necessarily uncomfortable with wars in Europe. In the last 3, the strategy has been to let Russia and Europe bleed and get into debt to then stop the war by sending the massive military means they posses. I guess that is just one more of the things Putin did not get right and did not learn from History.  

Those days are long gone.
The shills around today are worse than the groobment hoons.

You are a damned, complete moron, carrying nonsense, none of what you write, no!
You invent everything on the go, you are a fascist who is sick in the head, Russia has already lost the war!
Glory to Ukraine! Death to the enemies!

I have two friends who are ethnic Ukrainians (one supports the operation, the other does not support and does not want to discuss this topic) and another friend has a wife from Donbass, her parents have long been accustomed to living under the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Another friend of mine is an ethnic Tatar. Other friends are Russian. I meet with them, we drink vodka and there is no hatred between us - this is my objective reality.

If your reality is different, you are probably a racist.

Apparently people in the Donbass do not want to learn their native Russian as a foreign language.

The facts of the oppression of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine are too numerous and documented for your allegation to cancel them - even if you are completely right.

Good question. I think for the United States the armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia is not only very beneficial, but also vital. The US economy is not in the best condition after the pandemic, the Fed's quantitative easing program was very adventurous and irresponsible. Someone had to pay for it, and Europe was chosen as the victim. To do this, you just need to quarrel Russia and Germany, whose strong alliance looks dangerous for the United States, and Ukraine serves as an instrument for this. To which the United States is actively supplying weapons, getting rid of old trash at a market price and loading its military-industrial complex with orders - and this is a powerful incentive for the entire economy. Europe also profitably got rid of its old weapons, which are expensive to store and dispose of, but cannot load their military-industrial complex due to a shortage of energy in Europe, because the military industry is very energy-intensive.

It is also beneficial for Russia - to dispose of artillery shells with an expiration date during the operation, to test new types of weapons in combat conditions, to load their military industry with work and orders. In general, this operation seems to be beneficial to everyone, except for Ukraine itself.

You are confusing an crypto-anarchist with a protesting punk. I support Putin because I can, his actions seem to me quite reasonable and in the interests of Russia. My anarchy is that I make decisions on my own who I support, regardless of the pressure of public opinion - based on my own analysis of data and internal motives.

Ah, right. Must be those gay frogs causing all this trouble.


Someone needs to call Biden and tell him that he has "veto power" to stop the war. Why did no one ever think of that.

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You two clowns suck at this propaganda thing. Let be.open speak for Putin, at least he can toe the party line.

My question remains, what's so important to the US about this Russia and Ukraine fight that they can't use their veto power to settle them amicably but rather they seem to take side with the Ukrainian president?? Spending billions of dollars in military aid in Ukraine.
I think this Biden campaign for war against Russia (and not against terrorism and the killing in other poor countries) is suspicious and uncalled for. The US should trade with caution before it escalates to what they may not be able to control.
The world needs peace!

But now we are supposed to trust these people?

https://www.axios.com/pandora-papers-politicians-countries-d8ca46fc-8422-4d39-b354-aa1de2a24a9f.html

"The Ukrainian president may have pledged to reform the country's corrupt system of politics, but the Pandora Papers tell a different story.

Driving the news: Ukraine is the country with the highest number of politicians named in the leak of offshore data, which implicates hundreds of people linked to offshore companies — including President Volodymyr Zelensky."

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It´s not hard to control peoples minds when 6 corporations own 90% of the media.

https://techstartups.com/2020/09/18/6-corporations-control-90-media-america-illusion-choice-objectivity-2020/

"These 6 corporations control 90% of the media outlets in America. The illusion of choice and objectivity"

Sure... They're trying to push Ukrainians 150km from the border, which is why they're attacking Lviv with missiles. It sure is a city situated about 100km from the border, just that it's the border with Poland, about as far as you can get from Russia. That's why they sent those special forces (SOBR) to Kiev. That's why they told their soldiers to dig trenches in radioactive soil, in the exclusion zone, because they wanted Ukrainians to stop shooting at Russian territory.

Your arguments don't hold because Russian propaganda is so full of holes that you can't fix them no matter how hard you try.
You're really trying, I give you that, answering all of our questions as best as you can, trying to form whatever justification the Russian government produces into a coherent whole, but you can't make a cake out of shit, no matter how much frosting and glitter you pour on it and what fancy shape you'll create. Most people will see shit at first glance, some will need to smell it, some will get as far as tasting, but eventually they all come to a conclusion that it's not a cake.

Last one sucks.

As for the rest, Putin at this point must know most of this. You need a sh*tload of superiority and motivated soldiers to assault a defensive position, not to mention supplies, communications and the ability to use combined arms effectively.

At this point, Putin has understood he cannot operate further than 150 km from Russian bases. He must also be well aware of the real performance of the Tactical Cannon Fodder Battalions and even the Airforce and he must know the number of casualties (some mention 20% of troops and means). He must hold little faith on the ability of his army to "blitzkrieg".

So, what is the strategy now? My two cents:
- Consolidate, make modest gains if possible and let the other side be the one that has to assault fortified positions.
- Sell the territorial gains in the south and east as the Victory.
- Negotiate minor concessions in exchange for the lift of sanctions (maybe).
- Make the scale of the war and the costs more manageable and sustainable with a depressed economy.

An for Ukraine:
- Stop any salient attack in the East and prevent encirclement.
- Push back where possible  (this would require a significant western support, that seems to be happening at some degree).
- Unfortunately, cause as many casualties as possible to the invader.
- Keep promoting isolation and economic damages for Russia. Ensure time plays on their side.

Russian FSB (Igor Girkin) analysis : Russia won't win

Its on Twitter, so it's real.

https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1516796704816832512

Edit
For the Russians that can't get twitter, he says:

- Your leaders are idiots for doing this
- Your soldiers are unmotivated
- You don't have enough supplies
- You cant get more soldiers
- Ukraine has more soldiers
- Ukraine soldiers are smarter, better, have more weapons, and generally are genetically superior  (I read between the lines for that one)

According to the Kremlin Designated Posters here, the cyclist was about to attack a tank column.

Kind of a double standard, isn't it? Or will Russia invite UN experts to Mariupol now? Oh wait, they're still not allowing ICRC evacuations and humanitarian aid, despite claiming full control of the city.

There are many reports from Bucha and other suburbs of Kyiv, and not just the handpicked few that you tried to refute. Even a drone video of Russian forces killing a bicyclist. Mass graves. It's quite absurd to think that during the month of occupation Ukrainians multiple times secretly entered the occupied city and killed civilians just to frame Russians afterwards.

In Mariupol, there are even Russian propaganda videos showing Russian forces shelling apartment buildings, like this: https://iz.ru/1321999/2022-04-17/poiavilis-kadry-posledstvii-aviaudara-po-pozitciiam-natcionalistov-v-mariupole alleging they're aiming at "nationalists" with no evidence of course.

Or this article for example, not particularly favorable to Ukrainians but also quite clear about Russian forces destroying the city and killing civilians: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5316007

To the surprise of no one who would have been paying attention to the new-Liberal 'cancel culture', The Daily Beast seems to have decided to take care of the problem by DOXing the guy to the 'security forces'.  Seems to have worked.  Now some of these people are waiting with baited breath the beheading vids which is pretty sick.

https://politiquerepublic.substack.com/p/cancel-culture-in-a-war-zone?s=r

The best hope for him would seem to me to be that when Daily Beast put the hit on him, he decided to fake his own death and do a little work to call attention their methods.  Most likely, though, he was picked up, tortured for a while to get authentication details, then disposed of.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhereIsGonzaloLira?src=hashtag_click

Could you pass me her cell phone number? I have a few things to discuss with her.


Russians are being kept apolitical by disallowing people to speak politics in public (other than repeating the official mantra). By not doing politics, they actually support Putin's politics, which is a crime by omission. And despite the dire consequences of protesting, there are protesters arrested. I can only admire the people who were actually saying no to war across Russia - they are the true descendants of the Menshevik and the people who decided that they would not die for the Tzars of this world.

You say you are a crypto-anarchist, but your posting shows something very different - just for short, supporting a despot.

There are quite a few countries in Europe that do need to progress culturally and ethically, but that requires peace, education and a solid economy. None of that is built in 5 years, even not in 20. The fact that Putin's psychos are destroying schools, hospitals, infrastructures does not help to create peace and prosperity but it does contribute to generational hate.


On that, I could even agree. If you think of the results of this war of aggression for the US:

- Putin's Russia bleeding young soldiers, taking a serious impact to the economy and being isolated diplomatically.
- Ukraine more interested than ever to join the Western economy and benefit from it.
- Europe taking a hit on the economy and more inclined than ever to spend money in weapons.
- Ukraine and Europe getting into debt. Russia on default. The rouble down the drain.

So, Putin, I know you are reading this, Did the US actually paid you to start the war? If not, you are playing the fool in this poker game.

  

Sure, have a look at these few hundred. I won't include all of them because posts are limited to 64000 chars. The rest are here, where it says "references".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

Now, if you want to question something or try to make people doubt the facts, choose something easier.

Oh by the way, do not bother to question Western media in the same post you publish snapshot of Western media to "proof" your points.

They way our "leaders" handled Covid is enough evidence for me. Why should you trust them ever again??

Trying to force people to inject experimental drugs and prove it with a nazi passport is as far from democracy and human rights you can get.


Not saying Putin is better though.

I don't remember did there was accusations or no, but actually this drug test challenge before debates was made by Zelensky to Poroshenko.

Yeah, hack may be just excuse, but in reality, this thing was done intentionally. Something similar what they often spread on TV propaganda shows when some politologs talking about potential nuclear strike on Poland, or Baltic states for example. Main faces or Russian politics won't say that, but they can use propaganda shows to spread such message. Good example of it was Zhirinovsky.

You must be living in some alternative reality. Go into streets or open some social media and you'll see what Russians think about Ukrainians. Calling Ukrainians as nazi or banderovtsy is common stuff in Russia. It's not about Azov, not about Zelensky or someone else, but about whole nation. I don't even talk about such words like Khokhol

So, ok, you picked one of many videos. I'm not surprised that part of people in Mariupol is pro-Russian and they would welcome Russian troops with flowers. But why exactly do you that people in this video is telling true and all people who tell about Russian crimes in Mariupol is lying?
Inviting independent journalists would be good thing, but who exactly is independent journalist? Every journalist depends on something. And considering current situation in Mariupol, I think it would be quite difficult to find journalist who would risk their life and come to Mariupol.