Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 326. (Read 60788 times)

I cannot verify this source so take it with a grain of salt - https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497425201969123328

Read reports hat Russian troops were planning on capturing Kyiv within last 24 hours, but the source above states no captures of any Ukrainian cities were reported over the previous day. I cannot imagine any circumstances in which Putin is retreating so early, so this only tells me prolonged occupation of Russian troops in or around major Ukrainian cities if Putin decides not to capture to put troops on the ground in Kyiv. This is being celebrated as if the Ukrainians are winning. I would remind those that celebrate such a minor victory that these events can last years. If not Kyiv today, then tomorrow.

This was posted 6 hours ago showing basically gunfight is happening right in Kyiv https://youtu.be/4Tj_R8e0SiQ Zelenskyy had a speech uploaded an hour ago saying they are still in control of Kyiv https://youtu.be/k7FZ-gX6YEU but I doubt they can hold on to the capital for long if they don't get reinforcements. Which lets face it, is probably not going to come.

Yes that will be a big problem. Particularly for countries like Poland who get 70% of their gas from Russia. Without SWIFT the gas cannot be paid (unless Russia starts accepting BTC of course).

However that is a pain that everyone will have to deal with. Poland already said they will support cutting Russia from SWIFT. My home country The Netherlands is contemplating upping the gas production again. Measures will have to be taken in the whole of Europe to keep energy prices for civilians and companies in check.

Also. interesting article highlighting both sides of the story, about 'de-nazification' of Ukrain. Might be hulpful to quote when confronted with Russian propaganda: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin-ukraine-attack-antisemitism-denazify

Won't that cause an increase in oil prices in Europe though? Russia is one of the largest exporters of CNG, while Europe also imports oil, at a decent percentage. The war itself already skyrocketed oil and gas prices, however, wouldn't these sanctions lead to a further increase in prices, in the near future?

Talking about the financial repercussions is the least important thing when people are literally dying, however, it was a question I wanted to ask, since Russia is one of the largest exporters in that industry.

BS.  There will be virtually no impact on Europe.

They should stop buying oil and gas from the Soviet regime anyway.

Removing Russia from SWIFT will hurt Europe more than Russia. And US and its Allies are scared that Russia might seek alternative payment system from China which would make the US loose its position as the leader of International Interbank Transaction.

You can thank Germany for blocking the removal of Russia from the SWIFT payment system.

Germans are implicit in the atrocities done by this Soviet regime.

Perhaps this will give you a more detailed picture of the current situation ...

Just yesterday, I managed to pick up some members of my family from Kyiv and moved them to the south of the country, but unfortunately I see real operational reports that say that columns of Russian equipment are moving closer to my house (despite 3,000 dead).

And I cannot describe what pain is in my heart because I am from the region where they speak and think in Russian, moreover, until yesterday, I had a normal attitude towards Russia, since every second family in Ukraine has close relatives in a brotherly country. I think when I fully take care of the safety of my family, I will also consider all possible options for protecting my land.

At the moment, battles are being fought near Kiev with sabotage groups and the regular army of Russia, but it is unlikely that Kyiv will be captured, since, according to my calculations, at least 20,000 volunteers received weapons in the last 24 hours.

These are videos from the last couple of hours.

• Melitopol / coastal zone of the Sea of Azov: https://imgur.com/TgfgDKU
• Kakhovka / Battle for the bridge on the Dnieper River: https://imgur.com/amx2NZx
• Kyiv / Delivery of the wounded: https://imgur.com/nVWN943
• Consequences of the invasion / Not for the faint of heart: https://imgur.com/mzwVgjr
• Mouth of the Dnieper River / Airstrike: https://imgur.com/nPOjcvS
• Nikolaev / Port city: https://imgur.com/7BwyFTo

Map of hostilities at 21.00 UTC


Today I helped to build a protective structure of concrete blocks.

It's a lie by Putin.
He wanted to buy time because his forces are trying to locate Ukrainian president and his family and kill them. At least that's what Ukrainian intelligence said a few hours after Putin's press secretary claimed they're open to peace talks and guess what, another couple hours later Putin says that press secretary acted independently and he doesn't really want to discuss anything else but a total capitulation.

I just want to say that's good that Ukraine have true leader, which is their president Volodymyr Zelenskyy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-Yeqh4PFY
He isn't hiding anywhere or didn't ruined away from country. He is doing for his country everything what he can, despite that he now is target no. 1 for Russia. There is unofficial information that today in talks with Western leaders he said that it may be last time when they see him alive.
Also, former president, billionaire Petro Poroshenko also didn't run away like many oligarchs. Today he was on Kyiv streets with riffle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEemYjYRYsg

You're right, thanks for expanding my point. But considering how things are developping, it won't happen. Europe rather will buy more gas from Russia, rather than imposing serious sanctions.

They also banned Russia from Eurovision song contest.It definitely will stop Putin.
Ukraine were left alone. But West don't understand that Ukraine may be not final destination for Russia.

I don't think so. I think that it may end with more deaths of civil people. People wth Molotov cocktails in hands and no war experience can't do much damage to professional army. While Russian army may start not to pay attention whether it's Ukrainian soldiers or civil people and attack them.

Offcourse, US started war in Ukraine, who else... Russia simply had no choice other than invasion of Ukraine. What a bulshit...

Owing to the NATO agreement of non_expansion and recent developments, I just want to ask that, if you were to be in Vladimir's position what will you do?

West is going to be hard because Poland is in the EU and NATO and houses a lot of US troops and weapons. Killing US troops on Polish soil would basically mean a war with the USA which Russia cannot win. Also, attacking the EU would mean attacking neighboring countries with pretty significant striking power like Sweden (good air force), UK (nuclear submarines), and so on. Based on what Putin is doing right now which is murdering civilians for no reason, I can't definitely say he won't try it, but it would be a suicidal move.
The only possible move would be to go North to the Baltic States, but I doubt he'd be able to wage war there and hold Ukraine at the same time.

Considering they're basically on the outskirts of Kyiv right now, it'll be more likely that they'd force the current government to step down and replace it with one more friendly towards Russia. That is the best case scenario. It's still possible that they'd just outright annex Ukraine.

Except their condition for talks is "neutrality", by which they mean demilitarization, which is what they're claiming to be doing now. So it doesn't change or stop the invasion. It's just propaganda for Russian people ("look, we're offering to avoid bloodshed if Ukraine gives up").

There is a report that Russia is willing to have peace talks with Ukrainian leadership.

Separately, western governments are saying that it appears the invasion is moving more slowly than Russia had anticipated.

OK guys, this just showed up in my feed. It looks like the end is near for Ukraine. Pathetic response from EU. Sorry Ukraine, we the world failed you.

https://youtu.be/u3ZwTbhTkQE

Agreed, any sanctions in an effort to slow down or discourage Putin are vague and completely pointless. Putin isn't going to stop, while the West is afraid of provoking a larger scale war in case they interfere, such measures are simply for show, yes they might hurt Russia financially, but this attack was premeditated, Putin has taken into account such repercussions while he knew that the west wouldn't stop him.

This is really getting more and more out of control. Putin doesn't really show any signs of backing down and is seemingly very determined to see this through no matter what the west does. I really pity the soldiers from both sides, their families that they have to leave behind and may never go back to along with all the Ukrainian people specially the children for being in this mess between two massive forces and their big egos. Looking at how things are right now, both sides seem to be testing the patience and the extent in which the other is willing to go just to win or protect their ego. I just wish that this does not get any bigger than how it really is and gets settled as peacefully as possible in the soonest for the sake of the innocent people being involved.

Coverage of the invasion is still spotty. I've seen a vid showing what appears to be Russian tanks just north of Kyiv. Sadly, Ukraine does seem to be alone in this. If NATO is ever supporting them, it'll be secretly by just sending arms but I don't think that would do anything if Kyiv itself falls and that looks more and more possible with each passing day.


This comment reminded me of Steven Spielberg's hilarious ignorant take.  And that photo of the army fems/transfem in a meeting that got memed. I bet when Putin saw that he pissed himself -- out of laughter.

Russian Grand Prix cancelled!
Russia stripped of Champions League final, which will now be played in Paris!
How'd ya like that, Putin?

The west stands with you, Ukraine (albeit several thousand miles away, in absolute safety).

This is the about the extent of the response so far, which highlights the powerlessness of the west. Nothing to stop Putin, nor even to encourage him to slow down.