Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 352. (Read 73512 times)

That is quite far from the truth I am afraid. Putin has been supporting a certain group but the local support is nil. Who would like to live under Putin's despotic and inhuman rule?

On Mariupol... it seems that Putin could enter the city. The obvious problem is that there is no longer a city in there, he has conquered a flat plain full of rubble, dead and hungry people. He has simply flattened it and that only leaves ill will and hate. I guess that is not an immediate problem for Putin, yet controlling a territory that is hostile is a costly effort, so this "victory" may become his new Afghanistan, but hey, feel free to consider it a victory if it happens.

Again, your trolling and citing of propaganda simply sucks. Your reputation in the forum is being permanently damaged, but hey, call it a victory for you if you want.


There is no fun part in all this. Europe will not "align" with China much more that already was. This war has shown how totalitarian regimes need to always be considered a risk.

What is clear is that Europe may actually create a real army of its own. The problem with armies, particularly if large, is that they tend to justify their cost creating wars.

The context is important when it comes to comparing two situations. The context is important when we retrospectively describe these events as part of history. But how can you say that context matters when you use it to say, "well, you know, they've died before, and generally, for example, in Syria, much more destructive weapons were used. It's not just these guys who are bad."

Just an amazing take on the situation! It only says that you do not have your own position on what is happening right now. The context can be used stupidly for everything, just to do nothing. Napoleon, you know, burned the half of the Europe, so that you can ignore the demolished Mariupol, the scale is still not the same, and in general, let's stop considering Napoleon a hero, because this is a blatantly topical issue, given the context.

Exactly and the people of Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic have decided they want have anything to do with Ukraine.
You nailed it.

Looks like the end is near for mariupol.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/03/20/russias-mod-outlines-efforts-to-free-mariupol-hostages-from-nazi-fanatics/

Well, because context matters, history matters, and double standards and hypocrisy are a thing. Have you ever considered why Lady Justice is blindfolded? Selective justice is not justice but just another term for preferential treatment. How could you take a kangaroo court that doesn't investigate laser guided bombing killing 408 civilians hiding in the bomb shelter seriously? It's like me cheating and getting advantage in the beginning of the game and then saying, from this point on lets play by the rules. Even kids wouldn't fall for that. Precedents have consequences.





BINGO! I concur, I covered this in my soft/hard power post. Glad to finally see someone step back and look at it in terms of geostrategical grips. But keep going, don't stop there. There's a clear Hegemony in the world, there's like 100x difference in weight categories in terms of economic influence, preferential treatments seductions etc... We all know theres no way Russia can compete on that playing field. So Russia's sphere of influence was gradually being chipped away by this 1000kg guerilla. Putin drew a line on last remaining 4 countries he had left in his sphere. So what were his options when that 1000kg guerilla came after the last pieces of his sphere of influence? Either roll over and let his country be absorbed between east and west (in current global economy single country is not competitive to survive on its own), or take the last stand. I believe here we're watching him taking the last stand.

Now we come to the fun part, what happens next. The way i see it is either west manages to collapse Russia with soft power for the second time (but now has to deal with China next), or diplomats totally miscalculated and fucked up big time, giving cookies to Ukraine just went too far too fast, it cornered Russia, so west looses all leverage over Russia, Europe looses a trade partner and once again gets a totalitarian regime next door with it's gloves off. On top of that it'll have no option but to align itself with another totalitarian regime, China. That has potential for a change in a world order, that's why now everyone is watching China

Not quite. This is more or less publicly known but there is a select "club" of people in Russia called the "Lake Club" ("Ozero"), named after a fancy area in which an entourage of Putin built their "dachas". An entourage built on friends from St Petesburg and from his years in the KGB. A notable one is Yury Kovalchuk, possibly the second most powerful man in Putin's Russia. He along with Putin and his closed circle planned the aggression to Ukraine.

I guess what I want to say is that this war is "a team effort", the problem is that is a dysfunctional team that lacks a counterbalance in opinions and generates only the same old cold-war mafia-style ideas.

War is a team sport.

From what we have seen so far, it looks like Putin is making all military decisions by himself.

There is plenty of history on the formation of any estate, and Ukraine is no different. In modern times, it is the people that live in a region or country that have the right to decide their future and their organisation. It is just silly pretending that you have to go back decades or even centuries and then wage a war on those grounds and certainly Putin does not give a ****k about that.

This war is only about Putin loosing their geostrategic grip and exclusive access on a large part of the former USSR republics, including some of the most strategic and financially critical regions such as the Black Sea and Azov Sea. All the rest is the trolls trying to make noise and trying to blame the war on things that are absolutely irrelevant to Putin and his entourage.

The sad truth is that Putin has failed to seduce, use diplomacy or economically influence those territories and he is using the last resource of the incompetent: war.



And as for how to stop the guy

Thank you for confirming that the two countries at the center of the dispute Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic never ever have been part of Ukraine other than in Soviet times when Vladimir Lenin  gave it to them.

RT doesn't want you to know this, but...

Which one is a lie, the liberation, the denazification the corruption or all of them?
My sick govenment, no certainly not, i don't have a govenment, currrently i govern myself, been so for some time but may change.
It is Donetsk peoples business and no-one elses.

The Ukrainian State, which declared its independence from Russia in November 1917: https://64.media.tumblr.com/579933e6b9cd0b4576b44f40b86b7704/tumblr_pd06hms45x1xnrvdzo1_640.png   https://tinyurl.com/vvamxhtm


What large scale corruption will do

The thing that all this is a lie, created for 25 years by your sick government. And the thing that it not you damn business, even if it was at least slightly true, which is not

What is so bad about liberating Donetsk and Luhansk, de-nazify and deal with out of control corruption?

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/in-2015-new-york-times-calls-ukraine-s-azov-regiment-openly-nazi-today-nyt-calls-same-regiment-far-right

Why is rhetoric of defending russia for accusing the West of similar actions so popular? Do you understand that your argument is based on substitution of concepts and distraction from the main subject of discussion? Do you also justify one murderer by being convicted by the same murderer? Will this first be less killer after that? And why entangle crimes of the West here now? You can create a separate thread for them. Your accusations against the West in no way diminish or smooth out what the russians are doing to Ukraine now.

Unless "some other country" is invading an Ally that the US agreed to defend it wouldn't really be the same thing, would it?

If you agree with this then you shouldn't say a word when some other country seizes the western properties. Shit like this cuts both ways. I hate this hypocrisy. The west is free do kill and steal but when some other country does it, it is the worst thing ever happened.

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean a private company can't ban someone from using their platform.  The whole point is to protect the people from being silenced by the government.  Think about how silly you look crying about the head of the government getting banned by private American businesses.  Dry your tears, Trump started his own platform and it's going as expected.


Jesus, right wing media really going heavy on the "Russia is the victim, lets go Brandon" kool aid. 

If they didn't support Putin, they wouldn't be Oligarchs today.  That's literally the deal they made.

Huh sabotage? where? Article just says Railway services between Ukraine and Belarus have been suspended...I am grateful to the Belarusian railways for what they are doing I only see one railway from Belarus going to contested Chernihiv that would go over Russian controlled territory, so that wouldn't even effect Kyiv, Kharkiv, or Mariupol offensive. Plus they just launched a hypersonic missile, I'm sure they can arrange to get more trucks from Belarus, or in worst case do high altitude air drops of supplies.

Also, The last group of Belarusian diplomats left Ukraine - report I wouldn't trust Lukashenko, pretty sure everyone expects him to join Russia for the final offensive on Kyiv.


Once again, can you point to any conflict where there are no reports accusing the other side of shelling civilians? USA and Russia didn't ratify ICC so big guys don't care what it has to say, maybe Russia could even sanction ICC like US did?  


How about USA allowing JPMorgan to process Russia's payment in dollars?  JPMorgan sent the money to Citigroup after it sought and received the required approvals from U.S. authorities on Wednesday are people really just starting to see the hypocrisy?

FAKE: Russian properties have not been seized indiscriminately. There is a specific list of people.

The UK has been very lax on questioning where the investments came from. However that also has a limit which is when that wealth threatens the UK itself.

FAKE: Trump has not been banned from most media. He has been banned from some media, privately owned, for breaching the terms of use. Tbh for breaching them over and over, including stating facts that were not true - not opinions which are free, but simply fake facts.


On freedom of speech is not allowed when calling for acts that disrupt democracy, such as trying to intimidate politicians into acting in a certain way. Trump was banned from Twitter, a private company, after using it as a platform to call for a disruption to the system that actually grants that freedom (among many other things), thus contravening the terms of use.

He is still free to speak, and he certainly does, from many platforms and has a whole party held hostage, in my view, because no-one dares to stop the bully.


Not true. Putin's army has in many cases shelled civilians trying to flee. There are testimonies and abundant proof, but worry not because the thing about waging a war of aggression against a country that has internet and phones is that there are so many documents and proofs registered that there is no way of re-writing history and it will be reported, studied and publicly exposed to the last criminal act.

While EU are making sanctions against Russia with one hand, they are funding car in Ukraine with another hand by buying fuuel from Russia. Since war started, EU paid over $16 billion for fuel import. Fuel - oil and gas always been main source of income for Russia and it continue to be. Yes, I know that it would be difficult to find replacement for their gas and oil and set up whole supply proccess in such short time, but there is so much hipocrisy in EU actions.
https://www.newsweek.com/eu-paid-russia-16bn-fossil-fuels-since-start-ukraine-war-1689448

I don't agree with banning Trump from social media, removing videos that someone don't like and etc. Probably there is no country in the world with complete freedom of speech. But I think that is simply not correct to compare level of censorship in Russia and in the Western countries.
IMO, in this case, seizing Russian properites isn't something wrong, while removing people from college is overkill. While not letting Russian people into restaurants is just initiative by few restaurants in the world and it's not pushed by government.

Freedom of speech like this?

The west banned their own president from every social media there is.

Seized the Russian properties regardless of whom the owner is supporting (seriously why haven't the UK questioned the source of Abramovitz's wealth before?), kicking people out of colleges, not letting Russian people into the restaurants (wtf?)

I haven't been to Russia so I can't say anything about the country but the west's mask has slipped, they are also not what they claim to be.

edit: Also see the Canadian truckers and what happened to them and their bank accounts. Freedom of speech my ass.