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legendary
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Slava Ukraini!
Give it an hour and it will turn out to have been an Azov base, once Putinists realize that they can no longer deny the attack.
I already saw such explanation in few russian telegram channels. How surprising...

In 2-3 weeks, Ukrainians will proceed to the offensive, unless Putin brings another 300K army (Chinese or general draft) to Ukraine.
I really don't see China getting involved in this war. Why they would need it. It's more likely that Belarus army will help them. Recently people heard explosions in few Belarus cities. Either it was attack from Ukraine or provocation from Russia.
And Russia can't send too much forces to Ukraine and leve other regions uncovered. And BTW, Ukraine is already making counter attacks.
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Sounds like Tash is trying to defend the indefensible, very very few here are
buying it, the evidence from Ukraine and the 2,500,000 Ukrainians left with
nothing except what they wear and carry is far more damning of how Russia
have handled this than any propaganda supporting Russias claims.

the whole problem why this war is escalating is:

Ukranians are defending their corrupt government that commited a genocide. the defense of this government and them being able to lie about what happene, they do not want to search for proof, maybee the ukranians considered the russian speaking ukranians or the eastern ukranians never even as full citizens. (nazi regime)

that is exactly the issue, nato is even fueling it, they think if they somehow defeat russia they can destroy all Evidence about the genocide in Donbass, unfortunately thats not how the world works.

if nato would have handed over zelinski so putin could have prosecuted him over the genocide in donbass the war would have been over quickly maybe even without a single shot.

but instead they escalated the war.

this might even end up with the world having 2 United nations one backed by the USA and its Western Allies, and One Backed by Russia and China.
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Well there are rules of war, and what we are seeing over the 3 weeks of this war
is that Russia as the aggressor in this has broken some already with its indiscriminate
bombing of many urban centres in Ukraine.

The reports I hear and see appear to state that Russian forces will fire upon non
military vehicles. I suppose if they are willing to target hospitals why would
other vehicles and persons like press be off limits?

So you say everyone is lying exept you and the media.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503459475365191686
https://youtu.be/mWQh2XJtGYk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr80GR0wg2Q
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/
https://youtu.be/Lbiplu3Cyjg

Just like not all civilian houses and apartments and not all schools and hospitals
have been bombed, not all Russian soldiers are like these 4 or 5 wanting to have
innocent ukrainians believe them.

That wasn't the question. Why would someone cramp that many people in the middle of nowwhere. Any cellar in a house is saver, even the subway.
If have no idea if even a single person died there, if so it looks more like a sacrifice like Normandy .......

No, that's exactly the question that needs to be asked instead of your straw man bullshit. Why bomb a theater? Why bomb civilian housing for two weeks so they become homeless and have to shelter in other buildings, such as a theater? What about people who don't have a "cellar", open season on them?

Subway in Mariupol, yeah right Roll Eyes

Sounds like Tash is trying to defend the indefensible, very very few here are
buying it, the evidence from Ukraine and the 2,500,000 Ukrainians left with
nothing except what they wear and carry is far more damning of how Russia
have handled this than any propaganda supporting Russias claims.
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That wasn't the question. Why would someone cramp that many people in the middle of nowwhere. Any cellar in a house is saver, even the subway.
If have no idea if even a single person died there, if so it looks more like a sacrifice like Normandy .......

No, that's exactly the question that needs to be asked instead of your straw man bullshit. Why bomb a theater? Why bomb civilian housing for two weeks so they become homeless and have to shelter in other buildings, such as a theater? What about people who don't have a "cellar", open season on them?

Subway in Mariupol, yeah right Roll Eyes

why do some ukranians protect a regime that commited a genocide?

putin wants the leadership of ukraine not to bombard ukranians and their infrastructure,

politicians are all mad, they are trapped in horrible heuristics.

and so are the people.

if ukranians wont support their president then putin might go further etc.

people are all torn in this madness and can't get out only god can help.
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That wasn't the question. Why would someone cramp that many people in the middle of nowwhere. Any cellar in a house is saver, even the subway.
If have no idea if even a single person died there, if so it looks more like a sacrifice like Normandy .......

No, that's exactly the question that needs to be asked instead of your straw man bullshit. Why bomb a theater? Why bomb civilian housing for two weeks so they become homeless and have to shelter in other buildings, such as a theater? What about people who don't have a "cellar", open season on them?

Subway in Mariupol, yeah right Roll Eyes
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In what way is a solitary building standing in the middle of a park saver than a private house?

So... Putin bombed it because it's not safe?
That wasn't the question. Why would someone cramp that many people in the middle of nowwhere. Any cellar in a house is saver, even the subway.
If have no idea if even a single person died there, if so it looks more like a sacrifice like Normandy .......
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In what way is a solitary building standing in the middle of a park saver than a private house?

So... Putin bombed it because it's not safe?
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Mariupol Drama Theater


In what way is a solitary building standing in the middle of a park saver than a private house?

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https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-mariupol-city-council-claims-russia-destroys-crowded-theater-live-updates/a-61140204

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Video emerged of the Mariupol Drama Theater in the Ukrainian port city after it was flattened by a Russian bomb.

Hundreds of people were said to have been sheltering there at the time. Video from a recent local television station broadcast in Mariupol showed many people had sought shelter in the theater.

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Russia's Ministry of Defense denied it had carried out a strike on the theater, Russian state-run Ria reported.

Give it an hour and it will turn out to have been an Azov base, once Putinists realize that they can no longer deny the attack.
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Well there are rules of war, and what we are seeing over the 3 weeks of this war
is that Russia as the aggressor in this has broken some already with its indiscriminate
bombing of many urban centres in Ukraine.

The reports I hear and see appear to state that Russian forces will fire upon non
military vehicles. I suppose if they are willing to target hospitals why would
other vehicles and persons like press be off limits?

So you say everyone is lying exept you and the media.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503459475365191686
https://youtu.be/mWQh2XJtGYk
older
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr80GR0wg2Q
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/
https://youtu.be/Lbiplu3Cyjg
legendary
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Well there are rules of war, and what we are seeing over the 3 weeks of this war
is that Russia as the aggressor in this has broken some already with its indiscriminate
bombing of many urban centres in Ukraine.

The reports I hear and see appear to state that Russian forces will fire upon non
military vehicles. I suppose if they are willing to target hospitals why would
other vehicles and persons like press be off limits?
legendary
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U.S. journalist killed by Russian forces in Ukraine. Believe this is the first death of someone from the West in this conflict: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/world/europe/brent-renaud-irpin.html


Even if the American government knows that their citizens were killed in Ukraine, what can they do but sanction Russia? they can only criticize and give sanctions without doing anything other than that. smh

In related matters, another journalist was killed. Fox News camera man killed: https://www.foxnews.com/world/fox-news-cameraman-pierre-zakrzewski-killed-ukraine

The U.S. shouldn't do anything, really. Entering a war zone comes with inherent risk. That doesn't make it any less of a tragedy though. Having no context on how this death occurred I won't speculate, but it's apparent that Russia has no regard for any civilians so you can expect more journalists and related persons to get caught in the cross fire. War is hell.
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Hello dear friends! My name is Alexey. I am from the city of Minsk, the capital of the Republic of Belarus. I hate politics, I crave power and I hate war. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are fraternal countries, we are Slavic peoples and we have common historical roots. It hurts me a lot to see my brothers fighting each other.

I am an ordinary person, I have no hatred in my heart for other peoples and residents of other countries. I can say one thing - when politicians start a war, civilians suffer from it. Do you think at least one Russian soldier wants the death of Ukrainian citizens? I think this is not true. I call on all people not to experience hatred towards the Slavic peoples. I pray to God that the war ends as soon as possible and our Slavic peoples begin to live in peace and harmony again! Peace to all, dear friends! Do not let anger and hatred into your heart!
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One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.
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The fact that the West does not look like having psy-ops does not mean these are not actually everywhere, starting by several media outlets. How do you think is possible that a bunch of armed guys stormed the Capitol? You think they were all insane or that they really had a reason to do so?

Oh, it's not that look like they have psy-ops.  Just the opposite.  They just look so clumbsy and stupid that it is a like a bad comedy or something.  The 'storming the capital' was a great example.  It was ridiculous from start to finish.

My point here is that the Russians are just a lot better at it, or so it seems to me.  It's possible (and maybe even likily) that to a semi-sophisticated Russian the games they play are equally laughable as what the West tries in my country.  I think not however because they took it to a another level by basically showing that it was theatrics.  Maybe the U.S. does the same thing but a large percentage of the peeps are to stupid to even listen to them when they do so.  Who knows?  Anyway, seems that the methodology did start in post-Soviet Russia.  (Vladislav Surkov.)

On regards to the outcome being agreed, I dissent. USA has pressed forward with economy and diplomacy to win the wills of the people of several countries that were previously under the USSR dominance.  And there is no law against it and it is as per the free will of the citizens, it is simply that Putin cannot accept that and has decided to move this onto the military with his war of aggression.

You know the real looser of this war along with the people of Ukraine? The EU. No matter what, any war in Europe has the effect of making the US stronger and that is something Putin should have realised by now.

Good!  I agree with dissent and think of it as a good thing.  We'll just have to see with time how things go, though some things remain a mystery forever.  I have no crystal ball.  I consider it likely that everyone knows that the U.S. and most of the West is poised for a fall and various countries (very much including Russia) are jostling for their place after the event.  When I say the outcome is pre-agreed, I mean loose agreements between international financial players and most of the upper leadership of the U.S. who are fully aware of the tumble and are on-board with how to achieve and manage it.  Again, we'll just have to work out who was right in post-game analysis.  Those of us who make it through anyway.

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USA has pressed forward with economy and diplomacy to win the wills of the people of several countries that were previously under the USSR dominance.  And there is no law against it and it is as per the free will of the citizens, it is simply that Putin cannot accept that and has decided to move this onto the military with his war of aggression.

You know the real looser of this war along with the people of Ukraine? The EU. No matter what, any war in Europe has the effect of making the US stronger and that is something Putin should have realised by now.

Congrats, now you got past all of the distractions to the main course. After WW2 world was divided into spheres of influence With Cuban missile crisis US pretty much set the precedent that "laws" don't really matter as long as country is facing existential threat. (Imagine what would happen to "free will" of poor Mexicans if they wanted to accept amazing trading terms from China in exchange for ability for China to place nukes on Mexican boarder with US.)

I just want to ask a question, what is the main function of the UN?
What is the need for an organization like the United Nations in the world?

You need to check out this article and I am sure you laugh your lungs out after reading the first page. The first topic that will appear is peace and security.



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Apart from calling the general assembly, they have not done anything to stop this war. They would do nothing in this war as they have done from the day they came into existence.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
Enjoy!

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If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?
Putin is trying to scare western countries from forming an alliance against Russia. He is intentionally being ambiguous to scare NATO and Sweden and Finland, and to not put himself in a corner by having to attack these countries or lose credibility if he doesn't. Compare this to Biden who is outright saying that he will avoid a conflict at all costs.

Putin is doing the same thing with respect to the supply lines of weapons being sent to Ukraine. He is saying that weapons supply lines from Western countries into Ukraine are legitimate military targets. He is trying to scare the west out of helping Ukraine. Without the weapons the west is providing, Russia would have already won the war.

Agreed, the invasion is not related to nazi-jews-drugs blah blah shit. It may however not be related as much to NATO as it is with the status of Ukraine with the European Union and western Europe.

- Putin is not ambiguous at all, he is invading Ukraine and telling others to fear the same. Facts weight more than words.
- Western countries do not have any military alliance against Putin. NATO is defensive, not specific for Russia but for any other threats.
- If Putin targets any kind of "objective" in NATO soil, the can of worms is open to get retaliation which may end ... who knows where. I hope he is cunning enough to know that.
- Biden's position is not "avoid conflict at all costs". It is about not escalating, but it is not "no matter what", since even the international treaties would force him to intervene or break NATO.


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A year ago i considered passing through Ukraine. Did not take long to find out what kind of place it is and i've made shure to stay far away from it.


For which I am sure all Ukrainians thank you. You should have taken Putin to your trip.

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 for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

The consequences of WW3 are unknown, but there may not be many to tell the story if things go wrong. The west has to help you win the war while making sure Putin has a way out other than WMD. To be honest, I do not agree on Zelensky's calling for measures that would throw more countries into the war (e.g. exclusion zone). That opens a can of worms that might destroy Ukraine beyond measure.

There is a solution to this war, the problem is that there is not a quick solution nor a humane solution to it, as I mentioned on several posts when the military aggression begun (other than Putin being removed from power). If you escalate you get a high chance of WMD, if you do nothing Ukraine might loose. The only option is to help the conflict be no longer viable economically or politically for Putin.
A different thing is how safe is going to feel Putin once the war ends. Hate will be strong for generations.


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One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

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The fact that the West does not look like having psy-ops does not mean these are not actually everywhere, starting by several media outlets. How do you think is possible that a bunch of armed guys stormed the Capitol? You think they were all insane or that they really had a reason to do so?

On regards to the outcome being agreed, I dissent. USA has pressed forward with economy and diplomacy to win the wills of the people of several countries that were previously under the USSR dominance.  And there is no law against it and it is as per the free will of the citizens, it is simply that Putin cannot accept that and has decided to move this onto the military with his war of aggression.

You know the real looser of this war along with the people of Ukraine? The EU. No matter what, any war in Europe has the effect of making the US stronger and that is something Putin should have realised by now.
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Just a data-point from 10 days ago or so.  So it is claimed anyway:

THE MSM IS LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE UKRAINE - LOOK AT THIS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/

One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

Here where I live, cock-fighting is big.  The fighting and dying is quite real to the chickens, but the battle is staged and much money changes hands at the upper levels.  (My main issue with cock-fighting is that the 'controllers' are basically in the same boat as the the chickens and they lose a leg to stand on if/when the figure it out and try to pitch a bitch.)



A year ago i considered passing through Ukraine. Did not take long to find out what kind of place it is and i've made shure to stay far away from it.
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Yeah, I saw that story with pregnant women. I was disgusted to see how people were acting and how they called that moment. But I'm not surprised at all to see such things coming from Russia. It's like sanctions against Russia. All hate from people comes to West, but can't realize that only Putin is responsible for it.
BTW, that women already gave birth to her daughter. Congratulations to her.

But the other one died with her unborn child. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/14/7331140/

I won’t be surprised if russians even after that continue to claim it all was a paid show. For all this time I could not understand, what is the most irritating and disgusting coming from these people. Now I finally can verbalise it. They are not just stupid and framed by their sick government. They are not just failed in all humanitarian and philosophical aspects (this whole shit about Pax Moscovita was created long before they started the war, their pseudo-philosophers created it 250 years ago and continued to make it stuck in people’s head for centuries). The most awful thing is that they are really proud to be such people, they are proud of their ignorance, immorality, limitations. And they continue to present this as their greatest advantage, because under the influence of fear only the world is forced to reckon with them. Although they know that no one has the good will and desire to do so.
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Just a data-point from 10 days ago or so.  So it is claimed anyway:

THE MSM IS LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE UKRAINE - LOOK AT THIS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/

One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world.  The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team.  I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

Here where I live, cock-fighting is big.  The fighting and dying is quite real to the chickens, but the battle is staged and much money changes hands at the upper levels.  (My main issue with cock-fighting is that the 'controllers' are basically in the same boat as the the chickens and they lose a leg to stand on if/when the figure it out and try to pitch a bitch.)

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I'm happy that my country is part of NATO, otherwise probably we would be part of Russia for a long time already. But I still have some fears that if Russia would do something against US, for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

Don't give in to that. Watch out for some pro-Putin party that may start pushing for a closer "relationship" with Russia based on that fear.

Putin is taking a good spanking from Ukraine and even if he wanted another war, he'd probably go against Moldova, Georgia, and possibly even Finland before he tried to attack NATO. I'm not trying to say that attacking those other countries is a good thing, in other words - do what you can to support Ukraine, it's the best chance to stop Putin before he does more damage.
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