Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 355. (Read 76596 times)

That's absurd reasoning. If Ukraine didn't agree to the corridors that lead the residents of their cities to the country of the aggressor, that doesn't mean the fact never existed. The original claim was that Putin was offering those corridors, and they lead to Russia, and that was correct, not fake like you claimed. You just made up a couple of straw people instead of admitting that you're wrong.


Again, there was nothing about "fully besieged" in the original claim that you labelled as fake.


Exactly. Good to see you finally coming to your senses. Read up on Russian "corridors" in Syria too, it's enlightening to say the least.


I'm sure Finland is happy as a cucumber to learn that they will be "not attacked" the same way as Ukraine is being "not attacked" and "totally definitely not having their civilians bombed".

Lavrov sounds even more insane than Putin.

"We have not attacked Ukraine and we are not planning to attack other countries" said Lavrov today after another round of negotiations.
They did not come to terms and are not going to as long as Russians keep living in their bubble.

When a Russian talks about having sex he means rape, when he talks about visiting you he means breaking in, when he talks about helping you he really wants to kill you.

The fact that Putin proposed such a plan is in itself a show of cynicism and bad faith. Once refugees arrive in his dominions, he would start using them for propaganda or accussing some of them of treason or use them to coerce the fighting forces and the like. I can even imagine Putin's TV showing images of how "the refugees flee from the Nazis that are killing them and come to their motherland Russia for help while we provided them with all the humanitarian aid in the world" while he starts the questioning and the torturing.

Most certainly, the fact that they were proposed is not a fake and even the wording I used was "technically correct".

Of course these routes could not be agreed by Ukraine! It is not a humanitarian corridor, is a mouse trap!

As per the latest news, several of the corridors were not actually respected.

Yeah, but in response to "Putin is shelling civil targets."  you said "Technically true, but misleading at best."

It's not misleading.  Either Russian forces are intentionally shelling civilian targets or there's a very big conspiracy among all the sources I mentioned.



I think Putin is using a very evil, but not crazy strategy of simply trying to scare the shit out of everyone.  Like you and everyone else that has to give the disclaimer "I'm not pro war" or "I'm not pro Putin" before defending Russias actions, Putin doesn't want a war.  He just want's Ukraine to surrender so he can claim victory, like he did in Crimea. 

paxmao makes a claim that "Putin decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA", i refute it by providing a list of routes agreed by both sides, with many leading to Ukraine. And what do you do, you just come in with a proposed evacuation plan hoping no one would notice the difference? Way to go!

How many of those cities are fully encircled by Russia with no Ukrainian controlled links to Ukraine? Currently only Mariupol is fully besieged, and from your own diagram Russia proposed two evacuation routes from Mariupol, to Russia and Ukraine.

Russia has now fired more than 710 missiles against Ukraine and as of last night per UN reports civilian casualties are at 516 killed


I consider that all the time, I don't trust Putin's claims any more than you do, and no one should, but the thing is I don't trust the other side's claims either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that civilians are not being shelled. In fact, we know for a fact that they are, and innocent people ARE dying every single day. War is hell, its never good. I'm just underlining the hypocrisy in coverage, pointing out how everyone is being activated under a hive mind, mass hysteria is being triggered to a point where people are ready to risk all human life on this blue marble. But facts just don't support the narrative of Putin as a blood thirsty monster trying to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. Every war is bad and has collateral damage, when we compare the numbers to other operations/wars there is nothing special about this one, if anything so far civilian casualties are lower when compared to other similar conflicts.

Sure all of it is bad, but if we want to stop it, shouldn't we start with the biggest offender?

Food for thought,

The largest Ukrainian diaspora is in Russia.
Since 2014, beginning of the conflict, number of Ukrainians in Russia only increased
Since the start of this "operation"/war 24 February 2022, despite checkpoints and Martial Law, 99,300 Ukrainian refugees somehow managed to flee to the aggressor Russia
48,000 Ukrainians had been evacuated from cities (but not from Mariupol)

With that in mind, ask yourself why innocent civilians are not being evacuated from Mariupol, the only besieged city with starving people. I could only come up with two options (do correct me if you can think of more)

Option 1 - Putin and his army generals have gone mad, going against all commons sense and military strategies, they fake 5 cease fires and delay the siege all just to continue keeping 400.000 innocent civilians inside the city before attacking it.
Option 2 - Army does what armies have done numerous times throughout the history when defending against a much larger force, they just don't want to die.

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Wait so this is your proof that all the reports from independent journalists on the ground, global intelligence officials, and actual civilians that were shelled are lying?


Have you considered that Putin could be targeting civilians in one area, and also, at the same time, but in a totally different area, Ukrainians could be fighting from top/inside buildings?  And when Russian state media says Ukraine is using civilians as human shields, they're just putin lies in your head?

When evacuation started you could pay the border guards to go first and those who had no money had to wait in lines. Ukrainians aren't saints but what point is there to make? Does anybody believe that there's less corruption in Russia? My father, who visited Russia a few times in the 90s, told me that when the police stopped a foreign car they asked for smokes and food if you had any. They'd be nice to you if offered chocolate, coca cola, cigarettes and alcohol.
Corruption is a normal thing in poor countries. It's present in Mexico, all throughout South America and in many parts of Africa. All the drug cartels wouldn't be able to thrive without politicians and military on their payrolls.

Bottom line is, we have a lot of corrupt countries, we have far right groups, we have countries that are small and weak and countries that are young, but nothing justifies what Russians are doing right now.
They are literally murdering unarmed people in broad daylight. A few days ago they shot a whole family on their way to a train station to leave the war zone. Parents and 2 children shot in the street. I saw a small child being resuscitated after a gunshot wound. Doctors were crying because they couldn't do anything. Russians targeted schools, hospitals, trucks of the red cross that carried aid, they shot and robbed a Swiss reporter, raped and killed a teenage girl. They're fucking animals.
There's a story told by a young Russian soldier who saw civilians being shot at and rushed with to help them take cover. He and the woman he was trying to protect were shot. He got wounded but survived, she did not. The woman's daughter saw it and got him help. He's now a POW, but at least will be able to look his family in the eye.

Not all of these people are bad, but this war isn't much different from the Balkans. Maybe some of you remember how the Serbs were singing songs about war criminals and murder. You can find those songs on youtube. How was that different from all those Russians with Z (zoophiles?) in their social profiles?

All you nazi aficionados, what do you call this:

https://t.me/mediaveter/1814?single

This really made me laugh! It is not news, it was meant to be sarcastic! The fact that you even considered as a possibility is hilarious.

 I have no idea of what conversations does Putin have with his advisors, nor if he has any advisor, nor if he actually talks with them nor if he listens in fact to anyone out there with a minimum of common sense. Maybe he is doing like Hitler right now, trying to order troops that do not exist to advance into Mars without anyone having the balls to tell him anything.



Well if it is "technically true" then it is true. Or somehow you have decided to carpet bomb "fakes" and this is an unintended collateral truth being killed in your effort?

So, in your view, not letting people leave and then attack civil buildings is acceptable, because Putin is not using high-altitude large load bombers. I suggest you place yourself in one of these cities to better understand why it is considered a war crime.

Please, do not Putinify reality here, this is not Putin's Russia TV and media, praising 24hrs a day your dictator without any possibility of providing real news.

Straw man. They may be not shelling whole cities but sure as shit they're hitting apartment buildings, private housing, hospitals, and people just driving the fuck away from the cities. Tell us more tales about evil forces hiding in those building though. What a pillock.

- Putin has ordered a list of hostile countries to be compiled. His advisors told him that it might be much much faster to make a list of "Non-hostile" countries.
Fake. There are 195 countries in the world.
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-publishes-list-of-unfriendly-countries-after-invasion-of-ukraine-110619175.html

- Putin has decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA.
Fake.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-09-22/h_60fb5ac93b69a983ba05fcaad774c602

- Putin is shelling civil targets. Please, someone out there deny this, I am eager for an excuse to post 50 photos here.
Technically true, but misleading at best. Deception comes from engaging opposing forces located inside of civilian buildings, vs just blindly carpet bombing whole cities, which is clearly not the case here. There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings. These are fare game under the law of war. Can you come up with ANY previous "operation"/war by any nation where civilian targets weren't targeted?

Please don't contribute to disseminating fakes

People are now booking Airbnb's in an effort to financially assist Ukrainians. While I'm not against donations, handing out your hard-earned money to some government BTC address doesn't actually guarantee you that it's being put into good use, helping those in need. As others have already mentioned, Ukraine  is one of the most corrupt nations in Europe, according to Guardian (2015), that's not the point though.

From my point of view, the Airbnb concept of donations doesn't sound bad.

Turkey is on its side, selling drones to Ukraine while inviting the Russian billionaires in.

Turkiye rejects any 'witch-hunt' against Russians, Russian culture


Tbh it is a good strategy. I wouldn't trust hypocrites blindly neither.

Update your short info that you're not pro-Russia, but just speaking russian.
Can't do much other than that, maybe reporting and blocking the offenders?

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USA now threatening China with secondary sanctions?
Give us a break, ladies and gentlemen, we know what constant escalation leads to...

How is having failing currency, being isolated by the rest of the world, losing many lives in a war against smaller nation without getting any success is doing something right?

"We" you mean corrupt Politician and lying media?
Or the other "we", Ukrainians not form Donbass (Donetsk / Luhansk) region.

Question to Ukrainians and Russians - Why am I receiving in social media pictures and video of crippled Russian soldiers bodies and corpses? Often with a message like "that your meat back, we dont need it". Or footages of destroyed military equipment. And all these video are with maximum aggression and bad language. I suppose I got all that because I use Cyrillic or post on Russian in social media. I am not Russian, I only speak that language. Or what the hell this is it at all? Propaganda or an act to threat me ? Or idea is to show me what is really going on in Ukraine right now?

Can anyone verify all this below?Is this fake news or are we actually supporting such acts of evil?


https://justice4poland.com/2016/09/30/war-crimes-by-ukraine-fascists-against-ethnic-minorities-in-donbass/


https://professorsblogg.com/2014/06/03/what-responsibility-does-sweden-have-in-the-massacres-of-civilians-perpetrated-by-ukraine-junta/

https://professorsblogg.com/2014/07/06/new-images-on-the-ethnic-cleansing-in-east-ukraine/


https://professorsblogg.com/2014/06/03/inna-kukuruza-shall-not-be-forgotten/

https://professorsblogg.com/2014/05/15/odessa-massacre-firebombs-thrown-by-pro-junta-actvists-burn-alive-43/


https://professorsblogg.com/2014/05/10/ukraine-armys-slaughter-of-mariupol-civilians-9-may-2014/

I would say that that's a pretty good indication that you are doing something right.  Just doesn't happen to be what the international bankers who own the current petro-dollar debt-backed monetary system wish.