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Quote from: tvbcof on March 13, 2022, 06:48:53 PM

Just a data-point from 10 days ago or so. So it is claimed anyway:

THE MSM IS LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE UKRAINE - LOOK AT THIS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/

One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world. The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team. I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

Here where I live, cock-fighting is big. The fighting and dying is quite real to the chickens, but the battle is staged and much money changes hands at the upper levels. (My main issue with cock-fighting is that the 'controllers' are basically in the same boat as the the chickens and they lose a leg to stand on if/when the figure it out and try to pitch a bitch.)

A year ago i considered passing through Ukraine. Did not take long to find out what kind of place it is and i've made shure to stay far away from it.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM

Yeah, I saw that story with pregnant women. I was disgusted to see how people were acting and how they called that moment. But I'm not surprised at all to see such things coming from Russia. It's like sanctions against Russia. All hate from people comes to West, but can't realize that only Putin is responsible for it.
BTW, that women already gave birth to her daughter. Congratulations to her.

But the other one died with her unborn child. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/14/7331140/

I won’t be surprised if russians even after that continue to claim it all was a paid show. For all this time I could not understand, what is the most irritating and disgusting coming from these people. Now I finally can verbalise it. They are not just stupid and framed by their sick government. They are not just failed in all humanitarian and philosophical aspects (this whole shit about Pax Moscovita was created long before they started the war, their pseudo-philosophers created it 250 years ago and continued to make it stuck in people’s head for centuries). The most awful thing is that they are really proud to be such people, they are proud of their ignorance, immorality, limitations. And they continue to present this as their greatest advantage, because under the influence of fear only the world is forced to reckon with them. Although they know that no one has the good will and desire to do so.

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Just a data-point from 10 days ago or so. So it is claimed anyway:

THE MSM IS LYING TO YOU ABOUT THE UKRAINE - LOOK AT THIS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zERoYzWE9r9P/

One thing that Russia has had is outstanding psychological operations capabilities borrowed from the theater world. The 'West' has tried to emulate and/or just borrow talent from Putin's team. I continue to believe that even while at least some of the fighting is real, the outcome has already been agreed upon at the upper levels.

Here where I live, cock-fighting is big. The fighting and dying is quite real to the chickens, but the battle is staged and much money changes hands at the upper levels. (My main issue with cock-fighting is that the 'controllers' are basically in the same boat as the the chickens and they lose a leg to stand on if/when the figure it out and try to pitch a bitch.)

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 13, 2022, 05:41:38 PM

I'm happy that my country is part of NATO, otherwise probably we would be part of Russia for a long time already. But I still have some fears that if Russia would do something against US, for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

Don't give in to that. Watch out for some pro-Putin party that may start pushing for a closer "relationship" with Russia based on that fear.

Putin is taking a good spanking from Ukraine and even if he wanted another war, he'd probably go against Moldova, Georgia, and possibly even Finland before he tried to attack NATO. I'm not trying to say that attacking those other countries is a good thing, in other words - do what you can to support Ukraine, it's the best chance to stop Putin before he does more damage.

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Quote from: Etranger on March 12, 2022, 09:14:52 AM

The most disgusting thing is that they are so stuck in this lie that they have learned not to think outside it. When the world saw photos and videos of the maternity hospital in Mariupol after the attack, on which wounded pregnant women were shot, people from Russia began to ask how much they were paid for setting this up and applying makeup. That is, they explain all the evidence of houses razed to the ground, killed and wounded people from the standpoint that this is all an imitation, using which Kyiv wants to deceive the whole world.They don`t ask questions why Ukraine needs this? Why nobody in the whole world went out to protest with the Russian flag in support of the actions of the Russian government? Why were more that million of Ukrainians forced to leave our country in just 2 weeks? And other questions that could open their eyes. The bitter truth is that Russian people feel comfortable to live in a lie. Living this way doesn`t make them think about all this shitty atmosphere and conditions most of their population are living in. They prefer the myth about Great Empire rather then doing something to actually make their country great.

Yeah, I saw that story with pregnant women. I was disgusted to see how people were acting and how they called that moment. But I'm not surprised at all to see such things coming from Russia. It's like sanctions against Russia. All hate from people comes to West, but can't realize that only Putin is responsible for it.
BTW, that women already gave birth to her daughter. Congratulations to her.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 13, 2022, 05:14:52 PM

The main reason why Eastern European countries joined NATO was to have defence against Russia and we now have proof that it was a good choice.

I'm happy that my country is part of NATO, otherwise probably we would be part of Russia for a long time already. But I still have some fears that if Russia would do something against US, for NATO we would be too small and insignificant to start WW3.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 13, 2022, 04:45:59 PM

That is, they have deliberately angered Russia. When Russia granted independence to Ukraine, there was a condition that they would not join NATO. But now, Zelenskyy has been at war with his neighbor at the instigation of NATO. Zelenskyy doesn't really want peace on his own or is stuck in NATO's trap

Sure, let's justify the aggression by saying that the Ukrainians are to blame. Maybe you would have a different opinion that this is an invasion of your country?

By the way, did you forget that in 2014, Russia invaded and subsequently illegally annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine? Ukraine had never even considered joining NATO before these events. Was this also NATO's instigation?

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 13, 2022, 04:45:59 PM

What is the need to make friendship with overseas NATO, without building friendly relations with their own neighborhood?

Friendly relations with Putin's Russia are not possible, unless you go full lapdog like Lukashenko. Obviously Ukrainians don't want that (nor do the people of Belarus BTW). The main reason why Eastern European countries joined NATO was to have defence against Russia and we now have proof that it was a good choice.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 13, 2022, 04:45:59 PM

A few days ago I heard a news report that Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that many overseas countries had promised help before the attack but he was not getting any help in time of need.

Ukraine is not a NATO member so they don't get direct military engagement from NATO. But "not getting any help" is clearly false, as you can find many videos of Javelins and NLAWs hitting Russian tanks.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 13, 2022, 04:45:59 PM

That is, they have deliberately angered Russia. When Russia granted independence to Ukraine, there was a condition that they would not join NATO. But now, Zelenskyy has been at war with his neighbor at the instigation of NATO. Zelenskyy doesn't really want peace on his own or is stuck in NATO's trap

Russia didn't grant shit and it wasn't theirs to grant to begin with. The Soviet empire was falling apart and its previously annexed countries reclaimed their independence, including Ukraine. Rewriting history is a hobby of Russian autocrats.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 13, 2022, 04:18:03 PM

Quote from: tranthidung on March 13, 2022, 03:49:42 AM

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is trying to scare western countries from forming an alliance against Russia. He is intentionally being ambiguous to scare NATO and Sweden and Finland, and to not put himself in a corner by having to attack these countries or lose credibility if he doesn't. Compare this to Biden who is outright saying that he will avoid a conflict at all costs.

Putin is doing the same thing with respect to the supply lines of weapons being sent to Ukraine. He is saying that weapons supply lines from Western countries into Ukraine are legitimate military targets. He is trying to scare the west out of helping Ukraine. Without the weapons the west is providing, Russia would have already won the war.

What is the need to make friendship with overseas NATO, without building friendly relations with their own neighborhood? A few days ago I heard a news report that Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that many overseas countries had promised help before the attack but he was not getting any help in time of need.

That is, they have deliberately angered Russia. When Russia granted independence to Ukraine, there was a condition that they would not join NATO. But now, Zelenskyy has been at war with his neighbor at the instigation of NATO. Zelenskyy doesn't really want peace on his own or is stuck in NATO's trap

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Quote from: tranthidung on March 13, 2022, 03:49:42 AM

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is trying to scare western countries from forming an alliance against Russia. He is intentionally being ambiguous to scare NATO and Sweden and Finland, and to not put himself in a corner by having to attack these countries or lose credibility if he doesn't. Compare this to Biden who is outright saying that he will avoid a conflict at all costs.

Putin is doing the same thing with respect to the supply lines of weapons being sent to Ukraine. He is saying that weapons supply lines from Western countries into Ukraine are legitimate military targets. He is trying to scare the west out of helping Ukraine. Without the weapons the west is providing, Russia would have already won the war.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 12, 2022, 03:52:39 PM

You can't possibly know that. Any chemical/biological weapons facilities are generally going to be kept secret, and wont be known to the general public.

But Russia somehow can, right? You see, for some reason they believe that they have information that such weapons are produced in Ukraine on the instructions of the United States. They have no evidence, no basis, but for some reason they believe that they have the right to threaten us with the use of such lethal weapons against Ukraine. The most interesting thing is that they definitely have such weapons, because they have used them many times, for example in Syria.

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Russell Bentley talks to Donbas High School students
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXyvbeKAbNo

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 13, 2022, 03:17:27 AM

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Military and political consequences may follow if the two countries join the pact, Sergei Belyaev, director of the Second European Department of Russia’s foreign ministry, told the state-owned news agency Interfax. Their non-participation in NATO is “an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-12/russian-official-warns-finland-sweden-against-joining-national

Will they warn the whole world?

If Finland and Sweden show the same intention to join NATO like Ukraine, will Putin start other wars in those nations? Will he use the reason to denazification in those nations to legalize his war in his distorted perspective?

Putin is suck and he is destroying himself as well as Russians. Dictators often don't have happy endings if they are mad. Putin is mad with his power now so I expect an unhappy ending for him.

If communism is good, the whole world accepts it. In fact, only a few nations now have communism and Putin wants to bring it back in Russia. What for? For his dictatorship mainly.

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Some real reporting for a change
https://youtu.be/Lbiplu3Cyjg

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Military and political consequences may follow if the two countries join the pact, Sergei Belyaev, director of the Second European Department of Russia’s foreign ministry, told the state-owned news agency Interfax. Their non-participation in NATO is “an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe,” he said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-12/russian-official-warns-finland-sweden-against-joining-national

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 12, 2022, 03:40:20 PM

I just want to ask a question, what is the main function of the UN?
What is the need for an organization like the United Nations in the world?

You need to check out this article and I am sure you laugh your lungs out after reading the first page. The first topic that will appear is peace and security.

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https://www.un.org/un70/en/content/70ways/index.html

Apart from calling the general assembly, they have not done anything to stop this war. They would do nothing in this war as they have done from the day they came into existence.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 12, 2022, 03:52:39 PM

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 11, 2022, 01:04:35 AM

There is definitely something fishy going on in Ukraine with regards to bio-weapons. It is unclear what exactly is going on, and there is the potential that the US is setting Russia up for embarrassment when they say their purpose of the invasion is to remove chemical weapons from Ukraine and are unable to find evidence of such.

No chemical or biological weapons are being developed on the territory of Ukraine. As a citizen of Ukraine,<>

You can't possibly know that. Any chemical/biological weapons facilities are generally going to be kept secret, and wont be known to the general public.

You can literally say the same thing for any country in the world. The last thing anyone is going to publicly admit is "we have chemical/biological weapons facilities here." But, of course, that doesn't mean we should all be paranoid. That doesn't mean we should send hundreds of thousands of troops and invade their country and occupy it, using nuclear weapons to intimidate them into submission. That doesn't mean we should force their people to "buy in" to our authoritarian regime. That doesn't mean we should bomb their cities. That doesn't mean we should kill thousands of people. That doesn't mean we should wage all out war. However, that is exactly what is taking place in Ukraine right now.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 12, 2022, 03:52:39 PM

Quote from: Etranger on March 11, 2022, 02:22:54 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 11, 2022, 01:04:35 AM

There is definitely something fishy going on in Ukraine with regards to bio-weapons. It is unclear what exactly is going on, and there is the potential that the US is setting Russia up for embarrassment when they say their purpose of the invasion is to remove chemical weapons from Ukraine and are unable to find evidence of such.

No chemical or biological weapons are being developed on the territory of Ukraine. As a citizen of Ukraine,<>

You can't possibly know that. Any chemical/biological weapons facilities are generally going to be kept secret, and wont be known to the general public.

Quote from: Gyfts on March 11, 2022, 12:08:42 PM

Alternatively, it gives Putin an excuse to launch some false flag operation - release a bioweapon and just blame the U.S. or Ukraine for releasing it. I'm thinking it will be the latter because these low effort false flag attempts seem to be the standard now.

I think Putin may use bio/chemical weapons and blame it on the US. I think he may claim that either the US launched a false flag operation or that the release of the weapons was the result of a bomb hitting a government/military building.

Russia started the talk about bioweapons after they invaded, so they are not using it as a pretext for the invasion. Putin did not expect this level of resistance. It is possible that Putin plans on covertly using these types of weapons as a means of getting Ukraine to surrender. It would really not be possible for Ukraine to defend against these types of attacks, however, Russia explicitly using these weapons may get countries like India to change their stance on the war.

It may also be that Putin wants to provide some damaged brain food for his own people... so for now, he is not conducting a war, he is fighting the Nazis, the Ukrainians and Russians are his people, civilian targets are only hit because there are troops inside, NATO is guilty of all this, whoever disagrees or says so in public is a criminal, ...

If you can believe that, you can also believe that Ukraine was creating WMD why not.

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Quote from: Etranger on March 11, 2022, 02:22:54 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 11, 2022, 01:04:35 AM

There is definitely something fishy going on in Ukraine with regards to bio-weapons. It is unclear what exactly is going on, and there is the potential that the US is setting Russia up for embarrassment when they say their purpose of the invasion is to remove chemical weapons from Ukraine and are unable to find evidence of such.

No chemical or biological weapons are being developed on the territory of Ukraine. As a citizen of Ukraine,<>

You can't possibly know that. Any chemical/biological weapons facilities are generally going to be kept secret, and wont be known to the general public.

Quote from: Gyfts on March 11, 2022, 12:08:42 PM

Alternatively, it gives Putin an excuse to launch some false flag operation - release a bioweapon and just blame the U.S. or Ukraine for releasing it. I'm thinking it will be the latter because these low effort false flag attempts seem to be the standard now.

I think Putin may use bio/chemical weapons and blame it on the US. I think he may claim that either the US launched a false flag operation or that the release of the weapons was the result of a bomb hitting a government/military building.

Russia started the talk about bioweapons after they invaded, so they are not using it as a pretext for the invasion. Putin did not expect this level of resistance. It is possible that Putin plans on covertly using these types of weapons as a means of getting Ukraine to surrender. It would really not be possible for Ukraine to defend against these types of attacks, however, Russia explicitly using these weapons may get countries like India to change their stance on the war.

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I just want to ask a question, what is the main function of the UN?
What is the need for an organization like the United Nations in the world?

What is the role of the UN when a war-like situation arises between two countries?

I do not see any other activity of the UN except the provocative activities between the internal and external problems of different countries. They have taken sides instead of negotiating between Russia and Ukraine like (Israel and Palestine) and are forcing Russia to move towards World War III through various economic bans. The world is now being controlled by some corrupt and incompetent people, On the other hand, the media is one of the biggest culprits and the center of corruption and propaganda.

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