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December 09, 2023, 06:34:06 AM
The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.

So limited that it depleted 155mm rounds worldwide, while many countries will need years to replenish ATGMs

Urals oil is at $56 and it was nowhere near $80 for a while

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/urals-oil

just following global oil market

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil
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December 08, 2023, 08:47:47 PM
The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.
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December 08, 2023, 02:48:04 PM
Except Paxmao and few Ukrainian bots here, even Ukrainians see the truth

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2023/12/7/7431958/

"I’d even go so far as to say that this isn’t even a stalemate on the chessboard now: we’re on the point of losing the war.
 I believe that our people are mature enough to be told the truth. And this truth needs to come from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief."

Ukrainian telegram channel
https://t.me/legitimniy/16817


"Everyone realized that now Ukraine cannot win.  The offensives have failed, equipment reserves have thinned out, the shortage of ammunition has worsened,
public disappointment is off the charts, and no one wants to fight.

 Now the populists from the Office of the President are realizing that it is necessary to pump up the defense case, but it will be difficult to package this into “victory,”
 but they are trying, promising people fairy tales again.  But everyone soberly understands that from the risk point of view, Ukraine’s future looks like this:
 - gradual loss of territories
 - gradual collapse of defense
 - increased internal squabbling
 - financial crisis
 - social crisis
 - disappointment
 - banking crisis
 - energy and fuel crisis
 - bankruptcy of many farmers, carriers, etc.
 - poverty
 - increase in mortality
 - increased repression as Zelensky tries to retain power
 The list goes on, but there is nothing good.  Zelensky chose slow and painful death/collapse/chaos for Ukraine.
 But he could have changed the course of events many times and prevented literally everything that the Ukrainians are now reaping.  "
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December 08, 2023, 02:17:00 PM

  Scott Ritter: Seymour Hersh source on Russia-Ukraine negotiations is far from reality
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WMHZmls04n6r/

Not so sure, Scott.  I predicted a few weeks into this thing that Russia would probably leave Odessa and Kharkiv alone which to this day seems to be holding.

I maintain that there is a very good possibility that Russia is A) every bit as much under the hidden hand of the small-hats as is the U.S. and friends in NATO, and B) working as much with as against NATO in a program to depopulate the area.  From day one the West simply dribbled out weapon in quantities not sufficient to hurt the Russian military machine a lot.  Hell, Russia proper never even had to do any real offensive fighting until after Bakmud (and even afterward not a lot) since contractors did most of the dying.  (10/1-ish kill ratio seems to be real, but does it make any military sense?  Scott?)  Economically and on the world stage, Russia goes from strength to strength so the 'SMO' has been a giant gift to them.  And a huge gift to the insiders both in Ukraine and in the West who've made bank selling off the weapons which theoretical were to have gone to the front among other schemes.

The end-game would be the so-called 'Russians' donating/selling/gifting/granting many of the parts of Ukraine that the Russian meat-puppet boys have already won, minus the parts they are going to apportion to Poland or make a possible rump Ukrainian state in N and W Swastikistan, over to the 'heavenly Jerusalem' project.  If things play out in Israel as they very possibly could, the more Ashkanizi-ish of the Israelis could be needing a new homeland, and why not right back in the 'pale of settlement' where they came from?  The Sephardim?  Well, their God demands his sacrifices from time to time.

What an amazing coincidence was the timing between the freeing up of highly fertile pale-of-settlement lands and the 40-beheaded-babies which caused misfortune in the barren wasteland shit-hole known to the mouthbreather religious classes as the 'promised land'.

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December 08, 2023, 01:48:59 PM
but on the other there's indirect coverage of how this Ukrainian was safely living in Moscow without any issues and enjoying his life until this and it's SBU that's now trying to make sure that Ukrainians (dissidents) don't feel safe in Russia anymore  Huh anyone knows of any openly Jewish dissidents living happily in Berlin under Nazis?
Ukrainian safely living in Moscow - only his remaining connection with Ukraine was citizenship. And considering his views, there was no reason to feel unsafe in Moscow. But I wouldn't deny possibilty that he wasn't eliminated by Ukraine and it was done by someone in Russia, though, it's not very likely. Looking at reaction after Kiva death in Russian media, he wasn't loved much in Russia too, mostly because of his past. He already become traitor in Ukraine when he changed views from far-right nationalist to completely pro Russian. So, it's possible that he wouldn't be that loyal to Russia if someone would offer him more money.


Are you having mental wet dreams again? This is doubly funny, considering that Ukraine literally lost half of its combat aircraft fleet in just a couple of months (after Russia successfully modernized its radar reconnaissance aircraft), and the issue of transferring F16 fighters to Ukraine was put on pause after the victory in the Netherlands of the far-right opponent of military aid to Ukraine.
Didn't Russia destroyed most of Ukraine's aircrafts in first days of invasion. Considering that, Ukraine is doing not so bad in the air. And Netherlands, yeah, far-right party won elections, but so far it doesn't means anything. They have 37 seat in parliament, 76 is needed for majority, so they still have to make coalition. And other 2 parties which got most of votes rejected offer to join it.
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December 08, 2023, 11:44:24 AM
Why doesn't Zelensky simply capitulate, and surrender... rather than continuing with the lies? Personally, I don't think he has a choice. The US military is controlling his actions. If he surrendered before they wanted him to, he would be assassinated, and somebody just as bad would be stuck in his spot.


Zelensky ADMITS Ukraine’s counteroffensive HAS FAILED



https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-12-07-zelensky-admits-ukraine-counteroffensive-russia-has-failed.html
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has admitted that his country's much-publicized counteroffensive against Russia has failed.

In an interview with the Associated Press, Zelensky gave what the media outlet described as a "frank appraisal" of the summer's counteroffensive that resulted in very limited gains and no significant breakthroughs. (Related: Ukrainian frontlines are COLLAPSING, Russian forces ADVANCING on all fronts.)

Since the beginning of the year, a report from the New York Times from late September, right at the tail-end of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, suggests that Ukraine had only gained about 230 square kilometers (89 square miles) of territory back from Russia.

"We wanted faster results. From that perspective, unfortunately, we did not achieve the desired results. And this is a fact," Zelensky admitted.

Zelensky went on to blame his country's failure on Ukraine not getting all of the weapons it was seeking from its Western allies quickly enough. He added that limits in the size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also precluded it from conducting bigger and more decisive advances.

"There is not enough power to achieve the desired results faster. But this does not mean that we should give up, that we have to surrender," said Zelensky. "We are confident in our actions. We fight for what is ours."

"We are not backing down," he added, claiming that his country is persevering despite being in conflict with "the second [best] army in the world."

Furthermore, Zelensky claims that Ukraine has successfully diminished the strength of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, following drone and missile attacks that were able to penetrate Russian air defenses in Crimea, which Ukraine claims as part of its sovereign territory.

Coming winter to mark "new phase" in conflict with Russia
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December 08, 2023, 09:09:18 AM
Something peculiar is happening with the SUs airplanes lately. There is no official confirmation of what is happening or if there is a new system in place or an improvement of an existing system or perhaps a SAM battery placed near the frontline, but it seems that Ruzzia is losing planes beyond what you may expect by the usual trends. There may be something out there that has not been officially been "transferred to Ukraine".
Are you having mental wet dreams again? This is doubly funny, considering that Ukraine literally lost half of its combat aircraft fleet in just a couple of months (after Russia successfully modernized its radar reconnaissance aircraft), and the issue of transferring F16 fighters to Ukraine was put on pause after the victory in the Netherlands of the far-right opponent of military aid to Ukraine.

How are the crossings of the Dnieper going? Do the Ukrainian marines feel good at the Krynki bridgehead? Grin

It seems Ukrainians are remaking Gallipoli there

https://youtu.be/UclsBepOfm4?t=205
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December 07, 2023, 11:05:29 PM
Something peculiar is happening with the SUs airplanes lately. There is no official confirmation of what is happening or if there is a new system in place or an improvement of an existing system or perhaps a SAM battery placed near the frontline, but it seems that Ruzzia is losing planes beyond what you may expect by the usual trends. There may be something out there that has not been officially been "transferred to Ukraine".
Are you having mental wet dreams again? This is doubly funny, considering that Ukraine literally lost half of its combat aircraft fleet in just a couple of months (after Russia successfully modernized its radar reconnaissance aircraft), and the issue of transferring F16 fighters to Ukraine was put on pause after the victory in the Netherlands of the far-right opponent of military aid to Ukraine.

How are the crossings of the Dnieper going? Do the Ukrainian marines feel good at the Krynki bridgehead? Grin
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December 07, 2023, 05:30:57 PM
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LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.

The only thing obvious is that when you bullied someone in the playground and got your face bashed in, you would cry and complain that the other guy didn't play by your made up rules and/or turned out to be "not even in the same weight category". Your verbal gymnastics is impressive. However if you're trying to establish "new world order" or whatever putinists call it, then it follows from said gymnastics that you either miscalculated bigly or are just plain lying.

Richest country in the world, ruled by the greatest leader of all time, does not have enough resources to compete in the global markets or at least not suck horribly, and the lemmings still can't figure out why.

Technically we get a new world order every time any of the 200 countries change places. If Russia manages to stop it I believe this would be the first time western expansion is stopped with a force since Soviet Union.
*doesn't include Finland
  
It's hard to follow your allegory, but in essence the outcome of this conflict will have consequences one way or another. If after this is all over Ukraine will transition to western sphere with NATO bases, then Putin will pay the consequences, in essence he miscalculated and will have to answer for that to his people and his generals. Just as if Ukraine will stay under Russian sphere, Zelenskiy will have to answer for loosing so many souls and not ending this earlier. West as usual is in a no-loose position, but they are still paying indirectly by radicals/nationalists coming to power in EU and overall weakening and possible breakup of EU (no free lunch with escalations). It works both ways, of course both sides will try to come up with some justifications for their failings but at this point too much blood has been spilled for anyone to care for excuses on either side.
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December 07, 2023, 05:05:06 PM
Something peculiar is happening with the SUs airplanes lately. There is no official confirmation of what is happening or if there is a new system in place or an improvement of an existing system or perhaps a SAM battery placed near the frontline, but it seems that Ruzzia is losing planes beyond what you may expect by the usual trends. There may be something out there that has not been officially been "transferred to Ukraine".
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December 07, 2023, 02:01:17 PM
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LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.

The only thing obvious is that when you bullied someone in the playground and got your face bashed in, you would cry and complain that the other guy didn't play by your made up rules and/or turned out to be "not even in the same weight category". Your verbal gymnastics is impressive. However if you're trying to establish "new world order" or whatever putinists call it, then it follows from said gymnastics that you either miscalculated bigly or are just plain lying.

Richest country in the world, ruled by the greatest leader of all time, does not have enough resources to compete in the global markets or at least not suck horribly, and the lemmings still can't figure out why.
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December 06, 2023, 09:17:26 PM
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handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas

LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.

You are opening another topic, but let's play along. May I understand why in the world Ruzzia feels they are entitled to have any guarantees from anyone, particularly of the US? Was that "request" something like: "either you give me the guarantee I am seeking or I will start a war an spoil the welfare of half of the world". do you understand that it is quite difficult to threaten an economy ten times your size and an army 10 times yours?

Of course that is not going to be accepted. And if Ruzzia chooses the warpath, there shall be war.

Re all other whattabouts on China and Bulgaria are irrelevant to it. Bulgaria is going to lag behind since they will not be getting funds. If the government is elected again, it is well in the realm of possibility they will be invited to join Ruzzia and leave UE (good luck to all).



Agreements for spheres of influence are as old as time and happen all the time. The reason is simple and the same as why US demanded Soviet union not to open bases in Cuba and bring missiles there or US would put Cuba under a blockade. [...]

Unfortunately, no one really cares whether you feel that's acceptable to you or not.

As far as Bulgaria leaving EU, Russia is not strong enough on its own yet, so if that would to happen Bulgaria would be leaving EU for BRICS with funding from China. With the technological gap shrinking the global trend is turning back to resources, and it just happens that unlike in US there just aren't that many resources in EU. Seeing EU starting to break apart would not be a positive for the west.
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Unfortunately, no one really cares if you feel that was acceptable, as you can see by the fact that there is a war just before your nose.

Ruzzia is not the Soviet Union, is a much weaker leader of a federation. Obviously Ruzzia and other bits of the world have a disagreement on the "sphere of influence" that Ruzzia actually has.

If that lack of influence was doubtful, It has been confirmed to be very weak. Waging war Ruzzia can cause a lot of trouble to all including themselves, but that's it.

Mark Twain said "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”, so I would say "it is better to have the world doubting your power than start a war like this and confirm your irrelevance".


Have you seen the fireworks in Crimea? does that look to you like influence?
https://t.me/Crimeanwind/49640

It wasn't whataboutism in a sense that i wasn't justifying the action, just simply stating that this is just how the world works (whether right or wrong). No competition can exists with double standards.

Yes unfortunately we humans are still living in the your tribe vs my tribe mindset. World powers need to constantly expand thus the disagreements, we haven't figured out how to adjust influences as power shifts from one side to another. We got a bit better when we transitioned from military expansionism to mostly financial expansionism, where we try to buy out other countries instead of just clubbing them with sticks, but when outcome is not clear and expansion is contested we fall back to military confrontation and killing each other as a way to decide who's stronger. Russian sphere has been contrasting since the 80s, and now its sphere of influence is down to bare bone Russian speaking countries from the old Soviet block with majority sharing direct border with Russia. It was an insane move for US to challenge the status quo and go after them, especially after Russia was getting stronger in the 2000s.

Financially, west has thrown more sanctions at Russia than any other country in the world, yet Russia's economy is on course to recover this year from a 2.1% drop in GDP in 2022, as the West imposed sweeping sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. In the first quarter of this year, GDP decreased 1.8% and grew 4.9% in the second. And militarily, despite billions in military equipment, all of NATO resources, intelligence, spy networks, satellites, and "foreign volunteers" Russia is still advancing almost 2 years into the conflict. So I'm not sure what's your definition of a "very weak" country is.

As per above, waging the war is just a way to contest the financial expansion. Outcomes are, either Ukraine stays under Russian sphere (Russia wins), Ukraine transitions to the west sphere (Russia looses), some compromise where Ukraine is split between two spheres. There's also a chance of Ukraine becoming a truly neutral buffer state, but i don't think it's probable seeing how even Switzerland is forced to give up its neutrality. Of course in all scenarios Ukraine always looses, and the west never really looses as long as it doesn't get involved directly.

Good quote from Mark Twain but doesn't apply to current situation. You can only cry paper tiger for so long, after fighting it for almost 2 years and still loosing some land, still yelling paper tiger starting to just sound silly.

As you're aware, I don't pay much attention to daily military events from the front. They're just used to confuse and manipulate the masses, gives a false sense of understanding the dynamics of the conflict, only to set up for a big dissapointment. What I'm watching now is Senate Republicans Block Ukraine Aid Bill. I still expect them to fund Ukraine until spring as dropping Ukraine now in the winter would be catastrophic and send the worst possible message. But now seeing even republicans in the Senate (not just the house of representatives) blocking it, and Zelenskiy canceling his speech to the Senate last minute, makes the probability of a hard drop in winter non negligible and its growing with every day. Regardless, the writing is on the wall, with US presidential elections starting in the spring, this would be the last aid packag to Ukraine.




Meanwhile today in Moscow who one of the most nasty Z-person, traitor of Ukriane Ilya Kiva was eliminated:
https://www.ft.com/content/834e90a5-6ae0-4839-b184-2c7c5e22ced0
Previously he was member of Ukraine's Rada, but after start of invasion he run away to Russia where he actively supported war in Ukraine and become frequent guest on propaganda shows.
Interesting moment that in 2014 he was active participant of Maidan, become member of nationalist Right Sector, but later he changed views to pro- Russian. What a chameleon. Quite ironical that Kiva in his last post on Telegram today posted that best option for Zelensky now is suicide, well, that didn't aged well:
https://t.me/The_Kyva/6381
This SBU operation shows that traitors can't feel safe even far away in Moscow.

Sometimes I forget how brutal war is...
I just checked the article and took a deep dive into the history of Ukraine intelligence on the assassination of specific targets in the occupied territories and within Russia itself. It kinds of reminds me when Wagner used to do the same thing against defectors in Ukraine.
It would have been more intelligent for him just to move out Ukraine to shut up, instead talking and catching the attention as he obviously liked to.
The straw which broke the Camel's back was officially endorsing the Kremlin and actively collaborating to present his own homeland as a Nazi ridden hell hole.

Rest in pepperoni.

Guess he still needed to get paid somehow and was promised an easy job. Regardless of how anyone feels about this person, surely everyone must see the dissonance here. On one hand they try to convince everyone that Russians are committing genocide against Ukrainian people, but on the other there's indirect coverage of how this Ukrainian was safely living in Moscow without any issues and enjoying his life until this and it's SBU that's now trying to make sure that Ukrainians (dissidents) don't feel safe in Russia anymore  Huh anyone knows of any openly Jewish dissidents living happily in Berlin under Nazis?

Encyclopaedia Britannica
Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. The term, derived from the Greek genos (“race,” “tribe,” or “nation”) and the Latin cide (“killing”), was coined by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish-born jurist who served as an adviser to the U.S. Department of War during World War II.

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Meanwhile today in Moscow who one of the most nasty Z-person, traitor of Ukriane Ilya Kiva was eliminated:
https://www.ft.com/content/834e90a5-6ae0-4839-b184-2c7c5e22ced0
Previously he was member of Ukraine's Rada, but after start of invasion he run away to Russia where he actively supported war in Ukraine and become frequent guest on propaganda shows.
Interesting moment that in 2014 he was active participant of Maidan, become member of nationalist Right Sector, but later he changed views to pro- Russian. What a chameleon. Quite ironical that Kiva in his last post on Telegram today posted that best option for Zelensky now is suicide, well, that didn't aged well:
https://t.me/The_Kyva/6381
This SBU operation shows that traitors can't feel safe even far away in Moscow.

Sometimes I forget how brutal war is...
I just checked the article and took a deep dive into the history of Ukraine intelligence on the assassination of specific targets in the occupied territories and within Russia itself. It kinds of reminds me when Wagner used to do the same thing against defectors in Ukraine.
It would have been more intelligent for him just to move out Ukraine to shut up, instead talking and catching the attention as he obviously liked to.
The straw which broke the Camel's back was officially endorsing the Kremlin and actively collaborating to present his own homeland as a Nazi ridden hell hole.

Rest in pepperoni.
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December 06, 2023, 06:24:11 PM
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handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas

LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.

You are opening another topic, but let's play along. May I understand why in the world Ruzzia feels they are entitled to have any guarantees from anyone, particularly of the US? Was that "request" something like: "either you give me the guarantee I am seeking or I will start a war an spoil the welfare of half of the world". do you understand that it is quite difficult to threaten an economy ten times your size and an army 10 times yours?

Of course that is not going to be accepted. And if Ruzzia chooses the warpath, there shall be war.

Re all other whattabouts on China and Bulgaria are irrelevant to it. Bulgaria is going to lag behind since they will not be getting funds. If the government is elected again, it is well in the realm of possibility they will be invited to join Ruzzia and leave UE (good luck to all).



Agreements for spheres of influence are as old as time and happen all the time. The reason is simple and the same as why US demanded Soviet union not to open bases in Cuba and bring missiles there or US would put Cuba under a blockade. [...]

Unfortunately, no one really cares whether you feel that's acceptable to you or not.

As far as Bulgaria leaving EU, Russia is not strong enough on its own yet, so if that would to happen Bulgaria would be leaving EU for BRICS with funding from China. With the technological gap shrinking the global trend is turning back to resources, and it just happens that unlike in US there just aren't that many resources in EU. Seeing EU starting to break apart would not be a positive for the west.
[... pages of whatabout removed]

Unfortunately, no one really cares if you feel that was acceptable, as you can see by the fact that there is a war just before your nose.

Ruzzia is not the Soviet Union, is a much weaker leader of a federation. Obviously Ruzzia and other bits of the world have a disagreement on the "sphere of influence" that Ruzzia actually has.

If that lack of influence was doubtful, It has been confirmed to be very weak. Waging war Ruzzia can cause a lot of trouble to all including themselves, but that's it.

Mark Twain said "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”, so I would say "it is better to have the world doubting your power than start a war like this and confirm your irrelevance".


Have you seen the fireworks in Crimea? does that look to you like influence?
https://t.me/Crimeanwind/49640
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Meanwhile today in Moscow who one of the most nasty Z-person, traitor of Ukriane Ilya Kiva was eliminated:
https://www.ft.com/content/834e90a5-6ae0-4839-b184-2c7c5e22ced0
Previously he was member of Ukraine's Rada, but after start of invasion he run away to Russia where he actively supported war in Ukraine and become frequent guest on propaganda shows.
Interesting moment that in 2014 he was active participant of Maidan, become member of nationalist Right Sector, but later he changed views to pro- Russian. What a chameleon. Quite ironical that Kiva in his last post on Telegram today posted that best option for Zelensky now is suicide, well, that didn't aged well:
https://t.me/The_Kyva/6381
This SBU operation shows that traitors can't feel safe even far away in Moscow.

FSB killed him, because Zelensky is too valuable to Russia
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December 06, 2023, 04:50:08 PM
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handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas

LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.

You are opening another topic, but let's play along. May I understand why in the world Ruzzia feels they are entitled to have any guarantees from anyone, particularly of the US? Was that "request" something like: "either you give me the guarantee I am seeking or I will start a war an spoil the welfare of half of the world". do you understand that it is quite difficult to threaten an economy ten times your size and an army 10 times yours?

Of course that is not going to be accepted. And if Ruzzia chooses the warpath, there shall be war.

Re all other whattabouts on China and Bulgaria are irrelevant to it. Bulgaria is going to lag behind since they will not be getting funds. If the government is elected again, it is well in the realm of possibility they will be invited to join Ruzzia and leave UE (good luck to all).



Agreements for spheres of influence are as old as time and happen all the time. The reason is simple and the same as why US demanded Soviet union not to open bases in Cuba and bring missiles there or US would put Cuba under a blockade. And more currently why US can demand change of government in Cuba or they keep the country under an embargo. Same question might be asked to US and why they are entitled to interfere in the most elections around the world, or "protect" oil fields in Syria and Iraq, or after sanctions on Russian oil how US makes an agreement with Venezuela and now suddenly Venezuela is taking over parts of Guyana with not many objections from the west or offers to protect the freedom of people in Guyana. For obvious reasons it's just very rarely that they put these things in writing at the top levels.

Unfortunately, no one really cares whether you feel that's acceptable to you or not.

As far as Bulgaria leaving EU, Russia is not strong enough on its own yet, so if that would to happen Bulgaria would be leaving EU for BRICS with funding from China. With the technological gap shrinking the global trend is turning back to resources, and it just happens that unlike in US there just aren't that many resources in EU. Seeing EU starting to break apart would not be a positive for the west.

The Washington Post Oct. 13, 2016
While the days of its worst behavior are long behind it, the United States does have a well-documented history of interfering and sometimes interrupting the workings of democracies elsewhere. It has occupied and intervened militarily in a whole swath of countries in the Caribbean and Latin America and fomented coups against democratically elected populists.

The most infamous episodes include the ousting of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 — whose government was replaced by an authoritarian monarchy favorable to Washington — the removal and assassination of Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba in 1961, and the violent toppling of socialist Chilean President Salvador Allende, whose government was swept aside in 1973 by a military coup led by the ruthless Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
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Sometimes that agenda also explicitly converged with the interests of U.S. business: In 1954, Washington unseated Guatemala's left-wing president, Jacobo Arbenz, who had had the temerity to challenge the vast control of the United Fruit Co., a U.S. corporation, with agrarian laws that would be fairer to Guatemalan farmers. The CIA went on to install and back a series of right-wing dictatorships that brutalized the impoverished nation for almost half a century.
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Aside from its instigation of coups and alliances with right-wing juntas, Washington sought to more subtly influence elections in all corners of the world. And so did Moscow. Political scientist Dov Levin calculates that the “two powers intervened in 117 elections around the world from 1946 to 2000 — an average of once in every nine competitive elections.”
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CIA operatives gave millions of dollars to their Italian allies and helped orchestrate what was then an unprecedented, clandestine propaganda campaign: This included forging documents to besmirch communist leaders via fabricated sex scandals, starting a mass letter-writing campaign from Italian Americans to their compatriots, and spreading hysteria about a Russian takeover and the undermining of the Catholic Church.
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“We had bags of money that we delivered to selected politicians, to defray their political expenses, their campaign expenses, for posters, for pamphlets,” recounted F. Mark Wyatt, the CIA officer who handled the mission and later participated in more than 2½ decades of direct support to the Christian Democrats.
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This template spread everywhere: CIA operative Edward G. Lansdale, notorious for his efforts to bring down the North Vietnamese government, is said to have run the successful 1953 campaign of Philippines President Ramon Magsaysay. Japan's center-right Liberal Democratic Party was backed with secret American funds through the 1950s and the 1960s. The U.S. government and American oil corporations helped Christian parties in Lebanon win crucial elections in 1957 with briefcases full of cash.
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In Chile, the United States prevented Allende from winning an election in 1964. “A total of nearly four million dollars was spent on some fifteen covert action projects, ranging from organizing slum dwellers to passing funds to political parties,” detailed a Senate inquiry in the mid-1970s that started to expose the role of the CIA in overseas elections. When it couldn't defeat Allende at the ballot box in 1970, Washington decided to remove him anyway.
“I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people,” Kissinger is said to have quipped. Pinochet's regime presided over years of torture, disappearances and targeted assassinations.
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After the end of the Cold War, the United States has largely brought its covert actions into the open with organizations like the more benign National Endowment for Democracy, which seeks to bolster civil society and democratic institutions around the world through grants and other assistance. Still, U.S. critics see the American hand in a range of more recent elections, from Honduras to Venezuela to Ukraine.
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“If the Chinese indeed tried to influence the election here . . . the United States is only getting a taste of its own medicine,” Peter Kornbluh, director of the National Security Archive, which is affiliated with George Washington University, said in a 1997 interview with the New York Times. “China has done little more than emulate a long pattern of U.S. manipulation, bribery and covert operations to influence the political trajectory of countless countries around the world.”
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December 06, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
Meanwhile today in Moscow who one of the most nasty Z-person, traitor of Ukriane Ilya Kiva was eliminated:
https://www.ft.com/content/834e90a5-6ae0-4839-b184-2c7c5e22ced0
Previously he was member of Ukraine's Rada, but after start of invasion he run away to Russia where he actively supported war in Ukraine and become frequent guest on propaganda shows.
Interesting moment that in 2014 he was active participant of Maidan, become member of nationalist Right Sector, but later he changed views to pro- Russian. What a chameleon. Quite ironical that Kiva in his last post on Telegram today posted that best option for Zelensky now is suicide, well, that didn't aged well:
https://t.me/The_Kyva/6381
This SBU operation shows that traitors can't feel safe even far away in Moscow.
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December 06, 2023, 03:35:48 PM
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handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas

LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.

You are opening another topic, but let's play along. May I understand why in the world Ruzzia feels they are entitled to have any guarantees from anyone, particularly of the US? Was that "request" something like: "either you give me the guarantee I am seeking or I will start a war an spoil the welfare of half of the world". do you understand that it is quite difficult to threaten an economy ten times your size and an army 10 times yours?

Of course that is not going to be accepted. And if Ruzzia chooses the warpath, there shall be war.

Re all other whattabouts on China and Bulgaria are irrelevant to it. Bulgaria is going to lag behind since they will not be getting funds. If the government is elected again, it is well in the realm of possibility they will be invited to join Ruzzia and leave UE (good luck to all).

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In order to dump coins one must have coins
December 06, 2023, 02:32:52 PM
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handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas

LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons.
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December 06, 2023, 12:00:25 PM
Your point was that Ruzzia was having plenty of income, I showed how it is having plenty of expenses caused by the war. The way the deficit is balanced as anywhere else is by cutting on social expenditure (LOL). There is no magic trick. Also, I guess you consider as ok to have Moscow airport closed for hours or even days due to drone risks and factories blown-up from time to time, ...
You are lying, the social part of the budget in Russia was not cut in 2022 and 2023, and at least for the next three years the Russian budget will remain socially oriented.

I’ll tell you more, the budget for next year in Russia is a development budget. Stop fantasizing, Western sanctions against Russia have failed, just like the Ukrainian counter-offensive. Find the courage to face reality.

Today Putin flew to Abu Dhabi and in his honor F16 fighters painted the Russian tricolor in the sky lol. Grin

Regarding the numbers you provide... well, you know... if you say so. In any case people joining Wagner which is NOT new and has been operating for at least a decade all over Africa speaks of the need of the poorer regions to make their living even if it risk being killed.
Your words only confirm your complete ignorance of the subject of the conversation. I'm talking about volunteers who enter into contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense, not about Wagner.


Sure, I am lying *wink *wink, Russia has the miraculous ability of creating money out of the air so they can spend more in social, more in the war, more in whatever but at the same time balancing the budget (LOL again).

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As for the loss of manpower, it’s always unpleasant. But in 2023, for the first time in its history, Russia formed a mercenary contract army, to which at least 20 thousand people a month voluntarily join, and now Russia has a significant advantage in manpower over Ukraine, if we count the directly involved soldiers on the contact line.

You have clearly stated you spoke a private military force. It is definitely not the first time.

Now you speak of the Mod while calling me an ignorant on the matter. You should do a sense check of this thread. If you can call apples to a banana, but it is yellow and tastes of bannana - these people joining are regulars and it simply means that the "patriotism" is extinct, the convicts are diminishing and now it is time to offer the equivalent of 7000 sign-up bonus with 3 to 4000 a month for anyone crazy enough to sign-up to be what is in fact a regular.

20000 people a month you say. I really need to get proof of that - do not bother, you do not have it, you probably got that from TwitterX and Ruzzia does not publish the number of losses.

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In the case of geographically close countries in different weight categories, this works like gravity - you cannot just decide to choose a different source of influence, this will inevitably have consequences.

Well, it seems your theory is not 100% robust, unless you still call this a "Special Military whateverthef**k".

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Today Putin flew to Abu Dhabi and in his honor F16 fighters painted the Russian tricolor in the sky lol. Grin
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To match the level of relevance, my uncle is recovering very well from his knee surgery.

Branko, do you realize that if they send two more tanks your theory would be wrong? I mean, it is wrong, is just that is also in an state of unstable equilibrium.


Doesn't change the fact about first two batches

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-send-leopard-tanks-ukraine-russia-war-rheinmetall/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-approves-sending-heavy-leopard-tanks-ukraine-2023-01-25/

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Branko, there is not any fact.
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