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sr. member
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December 20, 2023, 03:15:21 AM

You can certainly disprove the second, unless the missile had multiple warheads or was able to divide in 10.


Or maybe it was not in combat ready position, but stored somewhere

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1735585877579972910

legendary
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December 19, 2023, 04:38:57 PM
Ukraine has the image of fighting courageously against the greatest threat to participative regimes currently (yes that Ruzzzzia). They are not only "beggars" they are the people who can hold the Orcs in the frontline - I do not like to put it this way, but they are fucking heroes, while the rest of the world is just watching the game from the side-lines. Paying money is nothing compared to paying life.
This was last season. And now, after the failure of the counter-offensive, Ukraine has turned into a loser beggar that no one wants to deal with. And next season you will probably learn to spell the word “Russia” correctly, or even start singing “Ave, Putin!” in the morning. Grin


As per you choice ... yes I am sure you think is better to surrender. You have already done it:

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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti
Stop your empty moralizing....

Why? Am I getting to close to your true self? do not worry, you have been born in the wrong place, that's all - maybe.

Look, sovereign states do not need to do as they are told. I know that is difficult for you to understand.

By the way, speaking of getting close, it seems that a few bombers have gotten to close to a few Ukrainian drones. Or maybe it has been the other way around and the drones got to close to the Ruzzian bombers... Anyway, it happened in Morozovsk airport and it seems the bombers won - they intercepted all the drones by putting themselves in the middle of the drones' trajectories.

Unfortunaltely for Ruzzia, you got 12 more or less modern planes less now.



Its also said that single Russian hypersonic missile caused 1.5 billion USD damage and destroyed full year production of USA
rockets for Patriot system

I can't confirm either story, though

You can certainly disprove the second, unless the missile had multiple warheads or was able to divide in 10.

 I have not seen more that a couple of pictures on the "story" I am mentioning - just google it, so ... yes it is fine not to believe it. Honestly, it does not matter if you believe it or not, the planes will still not fly even if you firmly believe they do. There may be satellite confirmation, or not, it does not matter either.
sr. member
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December 19, 2023, 12:09:41 PM
Ukraine has the image of fighting courageously against the greatest threat to participative regimes currently (yes that Ruzzzzia). They are not only "beggars" they are the people who can hold the Orcs in the frontline - I do not like to put it this way, but they are fucking heroes, while the rest of the world is just watching the game from the side-lines. Paying money is nothing compared to paying life.
This was last season. And now, after the failure of the counter-offensive, Ukraine has turned into a loser beggar that no one wants to deal with. And next season you will probably learn to spell the word “Russia” correctly, or even start singing “Ave, Putin!” in the morning. Grin


As per you choice ... yes I am sure you think is better to surrender. You have already done it:

Quote
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti
Stop your empty moralizing....

Why? Am I getting to close to your true self? do not worry, you have been born in the wrong place, that's all - maybe.

Look, sovereign states do not need to do as they are told. I know that is difficult for you to understand.

By the way, speaking of getting close, it seems that a few bombers have gotten to close to a few Ukrainian drones. Or maybe it has been the other way around and the drones got to close to the Ruzzian bombers... Anyway, it happened in Morozovsk airport and it seems the bombers won - they intercepted all the drones by putting themselves in the middle of the drones' trajectories.

Unfortunaltely for Ruzzia, you got 12 more or less modern planes less now.



Its also said that single Russian hypersonic missile caused 1.5 billion USD damage and destroyed full year production of USA
rockets for Patriot system

I can't confirm either story, though
legendary
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December 18, 2023, 08:41:43 PM
Ukraine has the image of fighting courageously against the greatest threat to participative regimes currently (yes that Ruzzzzia). They are not only "beggars" they are the people who can hold the Orcs in the frontline - I do not like to put it this way, but they are fucking heroes, while the rest of the world is just watching the game from the side-lines. Paying money is nothing compared to paying life.
This was last season. And now, after the failure of the counter-offensive, Ukraine has turned into a loser beggar that no one wants to deal with. And next season you will probably learn to spell the word “Russia” correctly, or even start singing “Ave, Putin!” in the morning. Grin


As per you choice ... yes I am sure you think is better to surrender. You have already done it:

Quote
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti
Stop your empty moralizing....

Why? Am I getting to close to your true self? do not worry, you have been born in the wrong place, that's all - maybe.

Look, sovereign states do not need to do as they are told. I know that is difficult for you to understand.

By the way, speaking of getting close, it seems that a few bombers have gotten to close to a few Ukrainian drones. Or maybe it has been the other way around and the drones got to close to the Ruzzian bombers... Anyway, it happened in Morozovsk airport and it seems the bombers won - they intercepted all the drones by putting themselves in the middle of the drones' trajectories.

Unfortunaltely for Ruzzia, you got 12 more or less modern planes less now.

copper member
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White Russian
December 18, 2023, 03:12:29 AM
Ukraine has the image of fighting courageously against the greatest threat to participative regimes currently (yes that Ruzzzzia). They are not only "beggars" they are the people who can hold the Orcs in the frontline - I do not like to put it this way, but they are fucking heroes, while the rest of the world is just watching the game from the side-lines. Paying money is nothing compared to paying life.
This was last season. And now, after the failure of the counter-offensive, Ukraine has turned into a loser beggar that no one wants to deal with. And next season you will probably learn to spell the word “Russia” correctly, or even start singing “Ave, Putin!” in the morning. Grin


As per you choice ... yes I am sure you think is better to surrender. You have already done it:

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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti
Stop your empty moralizing. After Arakhamia’s recent interview, in which he publicly revealed the details of the failed negotiations with Russia in April 2022, this is all meaningless. Russia only needed neutrality from Ukraine, as a legally enshrined absence of plans for external aggression. And now Ukraine will have to surrender, lose significant territories and hundreds of thousands of lives. And there is no one to blame for this but themselves.
legendary
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December 17, 2023, 10:52:16 AM
Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy? Grin

Both of those statements are wrong.
Ukraine produce artillery shells, but it's tiny numbers, maybe up to 1000-2000, while they're using similar amounts just in one day.
BTW, there isn't much talk about it, but South Korea suppoied more shells to Ukraine than all EU countries combined. Impressive from Korean perspective, sad from European:
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20231205000300315
Russia producing 85 000 shells is impressive, but when you're spending whole month production in 4-5 days, that's probably not something to brag about.
What a nice attempt at substitution of concepts. Okay, I'll clarify. Ukraine is in dire need of 155 mm NATO standard artillery shells; their production in Ukraine is zero.

South Korea is armed to their teeth. Simply by sending whatever is about to date-expire is already a huge help. Your point about 155MM being is short supply is wrong, there is plenty, it just may be that countries around the world are not going to provide 100% of it to Ukraine.
Perhaps I will reveal amazing news for you, but the entire Ukrainian counter-offensive became possible largely thanks to the supply of artillery shells from South Korea. Of course, South Korea could put more, but it has a direct and obvious threat in the form of North Korea, so South Korea is forced to think first about its own security.

So, Ukraine is in need of nearly anything that shoots or explodes. Shells, planes, air defence, tanks, BMP, IFVs, Howis, missiles, ships,... It would seem however that they are perfectly able to destroy mechanised attacks and to rain drones or cluster as needed. Yes, some Ruzzian attacks advance 50 meter, 100 meter,... but you look at the videos and aerial recon material and you will see a heap of ZZbodies and plenty of rusty iron destroyed.
Of course, Ukraine needs both, and the third, and the fifth, and the tenth. Ukraine has already become fully entrenched in its image as a global beggar. Grin

But look, the fact is that aid is blocked in the US an EU, but it will eventually be unblocked. It is billions in help and it is quite a decent military equipment. You now have to place your hopes in that not arriving to the frontline.
Yep, after the New Year, a golden rain of Western financial and military assistance will immediately fall on Ukraine again. Or not. Personally, I would prefer the former, defeating a weak enemy who is unable to fight does not bring much honor.

Well, I guess North Korea would need to be equally cautious then.

Ukraine has the image of fighting courageously against the greatest threat to participative regimes currently (yes that Ruzzzzia). They are not only "beggars" they are the people who can hold the Orcs in the frontline - I do not like to put it this way, but they are fucking heroes, while the rest of the world is just watching the game from the side-lines. Paying money is nothing compared to paying life.

As per you choice ... yes I am sure you think is better to surrender. You have already done it:

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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti



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White Russian
December 17, 2023, 05:23:37 AM
Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy? Grin

Both of those statements are wrong.
Ukraine produce artillery shells, but it's tiny numbers, maybe up to 1000-2000, while they're using similar amounts just in one day.
BTW, there isn't much talk about it, but South Korea suppoied more shells to Ukraine than all EU countries combined. Impressive from Korean perspective, sad from European:
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20231205000300315
Russia producing 85 000 shells is impressive, but when you're spending whole month production in 4-5 days, that's probably not something to brag about.
What a nice attempt at substitution of concepts. Okay, I'll clarify. Ukraine is in dire need of 155 mm NATO standard artillery shells; their production in Ukraine is zero.

South Korea is armed to their teeth. Simply by sending whatever is about to date-expire is already a huge help. Your point about 155MM being is short supply is wrong, there is plenty, it just may be that countries around the world are not going to provide 100% of it to Ukraine.
Perhaps I will reveal amazing news for you, but the entire Ukrainian counter-offensive became possible largely thanks to the supply of artillery shells from South Korea. Of course, South Korea could put more, but it has a direct and obvious threat in the form of North Korea, so South Korea is forced to think first about its own security.

So, Ukraine is in need of nearly anything that shoots or explodes. Shells, planes, air defence, tanks, BMP, IFVs, Howis, missiles, ships,... It would seem however that they are perfectly able to destroy mechanised attacks and to rain drones or cluster as needed. Yes, some Ruzzian attacks advance 50 meter, 100 meter,... but you look at the videos and aerial recon material and you will see a heap of ZZbodies and plenty of rusty iron destroyed.
Of course, Ukraine needs both, and the third, and the fifth, and the tenth. Ukraine has already become fully entrenched in its image as a global beggar. Grin

But look, the fact is that aid is blocked in the US an EU, but it will eventually be unblocked. It is billions in help and it is quite a decent military equipment. You now have to place your hopes in that not arriving to the frontline.
Yep, after the New Year, a golden rain of Western financial and military assistance will immediately fall on Ukraine again. Or not. Personally, I would prefer the former, defeating a weak enemy who is unable to fight does not bring much honor.
legendary
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December 17, 2023, 05:00:22 AM
Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy? Grin

Both of those statements are wrong.
Ukraine produce artillery shells, but it's tiny numbers, maybe up to 1000-2000, while they're using similar amounts just in one day.
BTW, there isn't much talk about it, but South Korea suppoied more shells to Ukraine than all EU countries combined. Impressive from Korean perspective, sad from European:
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20231205000300315
Russia producing 85 000 shells is impressive, but when you're spending whole month production in 4-5 days, that's probably not something to brag about.
What a nice attempt at substitution of concepts. Okay, I'll clarify. Ukraine is in dire need of 155 mm NATO standard artillery shells; their production in Ukraine is zero.

South Korea is armed to their teeth. Simply by sending whatever is about to date-expire is already a huge help. Your point about 155MM being is short supply is wrong, there is plenty, it just may be that countries around the world are not going to provide 100% of it to Ukraine.

So, Ukraine is in need of nearly anything that shoots or explodes. Shells, planes, air defence, tanks, BMP, IFVs, Howis, missiles, ships,... It would seem however that they are perfectly able to destroy mechanised attacks and to rain drones or cluster as needed. Yes, some Ruzzian attacks advance 50 meter, 100 meter,... but you look at the videos and aerial recon material and you will see a heap of ZZbodies and plenty of rusty iron destroyed.

But look, the fact is that aid is blocked in the US an EU, but it will eventually be unblocked. It is billions in help and it is quite a decent military equipment. You now have to place your hopes in that not arriving to the frontline.
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White Russian
December 17, 2023, 03:36:06 AM
Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy? Grin

Both of those statements are wrong.
Ukraine produce artillery shells, but it's tiny numbers, maybe up to 1000-2000, while they're using similar amounts just in one day.
BTW, there isn't much talk about it, but South Korea suppoied more shells to Ukraine than all EU countries combined. Impressive from Korean perspective, sad from European:
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20231205000300315
Russia producing 85 000 shells is impressive, but when you're spending whole month production in 4-5 days, that's probably not something to brag about.
What a nice attempt at substitution of concepts. Okay, I'll clarify. Ukraine is in dire need of 155 mm NATO standard artillery shells; their production in Ukraine is zero.
legendary
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December 15, 2023, 09:52:43 AM

You are wrong. US presidents often rise in popularity when they wage war. Ruzzia population at several levels were supportive of the war at the beginning. Wake up  and try to read some proper information - do you need more confirmation that you are NOT better informed, smarter or more moral than the rest of the users here dumbass?

By the way, it seems that quite a few incidents are ongoing with the Ruzzian civil aviation. It seems that they are "patching" here and there the components, so I would not be surprised to see metal raining from the Ruzzia skies.




Those polls are stupid anyway...they should be done in a way that answer "yes" means you immediately get
a gun and go to a trench...I bet results would be MUCH different

Sure Branko, and in an imaginary land in which that were true, there would be many less wars. But that is not the world we live in, people may vote (I mean, where they can vote, not in Ruzzia) for others less fortunate or more ambitious to go to war and they do. So polls are not stupid and the leaders of nations do understand the cover-up effect of going to war. Putin certainly knows.

Edited to add: have you seen the fireworks in Volgograd?
https://t.me/in_factum/19616
legendary
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December 14, 2023, 11:33:16 AM
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The war is not popular in any major country. Do you think the Ukrainian people like it? It wasn't easy for the millions who migrated out of Ukraine just to get away from war. They would have rather stayed home in peace.

But just to show everybody where you are, you seem to like the war, just like your buddy Zelensky... along with the ruling elite of the world and their military war machines. Kill off the few Ukrainians that are left, before they simply fail, and Russia is shown to be the good guy by going in and helping them out with reparations.

Governments are made ups of supposed leaders. They are not made up of the people/citizens. Most of the citizens don't want war. It's the leaders that want war.

Wake up.

Cool

You are wrong. US presidents often rise in popularity when they wage war. Ruzzia population at several levels were supportive of the war at the beginning. Wake up  and try to read some proper information - do you need more confirmation that you are NOT better informed, smarter or more moral than the rest of the users here dumbass?

By the way, it seems that quite a few incidents are ongoing with the Ruzzian civil aviation. It seems that they are "patching" here and there the components, so I would not be surprised to see metal raining from the Ruzzia skies.


Well, make up your mind. Either you believe Russian news, or you don't. Since you seem to believe it in this post ^^, you should really consider believing that Russia is trying to liberate Ukraine from US domination, like they have said.


Cool

You can't read either? Where in my post does it say that this information if from Ruzzian sources dumbass?

https://aviationsourcenews.com/analysis/11-air-incidents-in-russia-in-eight-days-civilian-crash-inevitable/

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Following its audit of Russia’s flight safety last September, The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) issued it with “red flag” status, ranking it alongside Bhutan, The Democratic Republic of Congo, and Liberia as one of the four most dangerous countries to fly in the world.

“Unfortunately, the ICAO red flag status is not just a political gesture as many believe,” one aviation expert told Novaya-Europe, asking to remain anonymous. “It reflects how things really are.”

The ICAO is an international organisation that is only about preserving the reputation of the air transportation industry and is quite strict (in general) regarding the safety of flights to make sure people know what they are doing when taking a plane. In general, takes a neutral approach (not always) caring only about following regulations on safety.

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What is the significant safety concern of ICAO Russia?
Russia's actions, including illegally double-registering aircraft stolen from European leasing companies and operating aircraft on international routes without a valid safety certificate, led to ICAO issuing a Serious Safety Concern (SSC) against Russia, declaring aviation in Russia to be fundamentally unsafe

Now, this does mention a Ruzzian source, see the difference?

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-plane-malfunctions-2023-tripled-western-sanctions-1850780

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There have been a vast number of cases in recent months of Russian domestic passenger planes making emergency landings due to technical issues, driven by a lack of spare parts.

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According to Russian Transport Minister Vitaly Savelyev, the country has lost 76 passenger jets since February 2022, due to Western sanctions.

I will not quote the Ukrainian sources that say they hacked the databases and found nearly 200 incidents, etc...

I guess sanctions do reach parts of the economy.



Well, you had the chance to redeem yourself. Of course, you can do it any time you want... before the war is over.

The profiting war machine in Russia is probably making almost as much money of the Ukrainians as the profiting war machine in the US.

Also, He's Finished And It's Over - https://rumble.com/v40x0sb-hes-finished-and-its-over.html.


Backlash Grows Among Ukrainians In Response To Zelensky's 'Rose-Tinted' Speeches



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/backlash-grows-among-ukrainians-response-zelenskys-rose-tinted-speeches
Extreme doubts about Ukraine's ability to fight back Russia, and to sustain enough Western support while doing it, have become increasingly obvious to all.

This has led to some rare and significant backlash against the Zelensky administration by some of the Ukrainian populace and even among military officials. As of Tuesday, President Zelensky visited the White House where he stuck by his message of "Ukraine can win". He at one point in a joint press conference with Biden called the idea of ceding territory to the Russians for the sake of achieving peace "insane".

But a Ukrainian official interviewed by Financial Times has said the military and the people are ready for more realism. She pointed to the widening rift being created given the Zelensky administration is needlessly painting a 'rosier' picture than everyone knows actually exists on the ground.

"In order for society not to build castles in the air, and to take off its rose-tinted glasses... it is necessary to stop being afraid to speak the truth," Iryna Zolotar, adviser and head of communications for Ukraine's former defense minister Oleksii Reznikov, told the publication.

She described a situation where "expectations are overstated and do not correspond to the real state of affairs." She complained that the public can no longer be fed a message of Ukraine being always "about to win".

FT says multiple other officials said something similar - that while an atmosphere of optimism was crucial toward surviving the opening part of the war, continuing to blindly push inaccuracies about the state of the conflict on the public is blowing back negatively...

"But with Ukraine enjoying few military achievements this year and western support faltering, the communications strategy is creating a rift between the presidential administration and military leadership, say officials from the armed forces, former presidential staffers and communication strategists," FT writes.
...



Cool
legendary
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December 14, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
The now-deleted comment above was cryptic enough (and thus interesting enough) that I decided to come back to it in a less busy time of my day.  Sadly.
sr. member
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December 14, 2023, 08:01:18 AM

You are wrong. US presidents often rise in popularity when they wage war. Ruzzia population at several levels were supportive of the war at the beginning. Wake up  and try to read some proper information - do you need more confirmation that you are NOT better informed, smarter or more moral than the rest of the users here dumbass?

By the way, it seems that quite a few incidents are ongoing with the Ruzzian civil aviation. It seems that they are "patching" here and there the components, so I would not be surprised to see metal raining from the Ruzzia skies.




Those polls are stupid anyway...they should be done in a way that answer "yes" means you immediately get
a gun and go to a trench...I bet results would be MUCH different
legendary
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December 13, 2023, 06:47:33 PM
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The war is not popular in any major country. Do you think the Ukrainian people like it? It wasn't easy for the millions who migrated out of Ukraine just to get away from war. They would have rather stayed home in peace.

But just to show everybody where you are, you seem to like the war, just like your buddy Zelensky... along with the ruling elite of the world and their military war machines. Kill off the few Ukrainians that are left, before they simply fail, and Russia is shown to be the good guy by going in and helping them out with reparations.

Governments are made ups of supposed leaders. They are not made up of the people/citizens. Most of the citizens don't want war. It's the leaders that want war.

Wake up.

Cool

You are wrong. US presidents often rise in popularity when they wage war. Ruzzia population at several levels were supportive of the war at the beginning. Wake up  and try to read some proper information - do you need more confirmation that you are NOT better informed, smarter or more moral than the rest of the users here dumbass?

By the way, it seems that quite a few incidents are ongoing with the Ruzzian civil aviation. It seems that they are "patching" here and there the components, so I would not be surprised to see metal raining from the Ruzzia skies.


Well, make up your mind. Either you believe Russian news, or you don't. Since you seem to believe it in this post ^^, you should really consider believing that Russia is trying to liberate Ukraine from US domination, like they have said.


Cool

You can't read either? Where in my post does it say that this information if from Ruzzian sources dumbass?

https://aviationsourcenews.com/analysis/11-air-incidents-in-russia-in-eight-days-civilian-crash-inevitable/

Quote
Following its audit of Russia’s flight safety last September, The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) issued it with “red flag” status, ranking it alongside Bhutan, The Democratic Republic of Congo, and Liberia as one of the four most dangerous countries to fly in the world.

“Unfortunately, the ICAO red flag status is not just a political gesture as many believe,” one aviation expert told Novaya-Europe, asking to remain anonymous. “It reflects how things really are.”

The ICAO is an international organisation that is only about preserving the reputation of the air transportation industry and is quite strict (in general) regarding the safety of flights to make sure people know what they are doing when taking a plane. In general, takes a neutral approach (not always) caring only about following regulations on safety.

Quote
What is the significant safety concern of ICAO Russia?
Russia's actions, including illegally double-registering aircraft stolen from European leasing companies and operating aircraft on international routes without a valid safety certificate, led to ICAO issuing a Serious Safety Concern (SSC) against Russia, declaring aviation in Russia to be fundamentally unsafe

Now, this does mention a Ruzzian source, see the difference?

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-plane-malfunctions-2023-tripled-western-sanctions-1850780

Quote
There have been a vast number of cases in recent months of Russian domestic passenger planes making emergency landings due to technical issues, driven by a lack of spare parts.

Quote
According to Russian Transport Minister Vitaly Savelyev, the country has lost 76 passenger jets since February 2022, due to Western sanctions.

I will not quote the Ukrainian sources that say they hacked the databases and found nearly 200 incidents, etc...

I guess sanctions do reach parts of the economy.

legendary
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December 13, 2023, 11:29:44 AM
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The war is not popular in any major country. Do you think the Ukrainian people like it? It wasn't easy for the millions who migrated out of Ukraine just to get away from war. They would have rather stayed home in peace.

But just to show everybody where you are, you seem to like the war, just like your buddy Zelensky... along with the ruling elite of the world and their military war machines. Kill off the few Ukrainians that are left, before they simply fail, and Russia is shown to be the good guy by going in and helping them out with reparations.

Governments are made ups of supposed leaders. They are not made up of the people/citizens. Most of the citizens don't want war. It's the leaders that want war.

Wake up.

Cool

You are wrong. US presidents often rise in popularity when they wage war. Ruzzia population at several levels were supportive of the war at the beginning. Wake up  and try to read some proper information - do you need more confirmation that you are NOT better informed, smarter or more moral than the rest of the users here dumbass?

By the way, it seems that quite a few incidents are ongoing with the Ruzzian civil aviation. It seems that they are "patching" here and there the components, so I would not be surprised to see metal raining from the Ruzzia skies.


Well, make up your mind. Either you believe Russian news, or you don't. Since you seem to believe it in this post ^^, you should really consider believing that Russia is trying to liberate Ukraine from US domination, like they have said.


Cool
legendary
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December 13, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
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The war is not popular in any major country. Do you think the Ukrainian people like it? It wasn't easy for the millions who migrated out of Ukraine just to get away from war. They would have rather stayed home in peace.

But just to show everybody where you are, you seem to like the war, just like your buddy Zelensky... along with the ruling elite of the world and their military war machines. Kill off the few Ukrainians that are left, before they simply fail, and Russia is shown to be the good guy by going in and helping them out with reparations.

Governments are made ups of supposed leaders. They are not made up of the people/citizens. Most of the citizens don't want war. It's the leaders that want war.
...

Seems like a good place for this rather famous exchange:

Quote from: Goering +

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."


I would observe also that the general technique is useful for all manners of pressure by the leadership against the plebs.  The covaids so-called 'vaccine' was a prime example.

legendary
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December 13, 2023, 11:15:37 AM
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Glad we're at least partially on the same page. Only i don't think journalists have anything to do with the planning or the outcome whatsoever, they're just mostly pushing whichever propaganda and they're usually a good indicator of whats to come as they're typically used to set the mood/pivot the population before official announcements. As for the generals, the pentagon and NATO overall, either not sending enough weapons to win was just a silly coincidence/misunderstanding/miscalculation and only now, after almost two years of war generals have to make a decision as you claim, or that decision has already been made a while ago and those hundreds of generals get their funding from (career) politicians which are mostly interested in keeping the power or enough popularity to get re/elected. For the upside Putin having a sudden heart attack and Russia falling apart is a huge upside, Russia had control of those Ukrainian bases which are "closer to the EU" all the way up to 2014, and no one really cared much, so why not try it. Now that we see that it didn't work, oh well not much of a downside. But keeping this going has a real downside of Europe tearing apart, and politicians just loosing their jobs if they continue to vote for unpopular war that's only becoming even more unpopular how can they send more than before if now only 18% of population believe US is not sending enough.

The media push an agenda, which does not necessarily mean is a anti-Ruzzian agenda. I am sure many believe that it would be much better to be cozy with Ruzzia. My view, as said many times, is that Ruzzia wants to get a grip on Europe and it needs to stop somewhere - e.g. right here, right now. Ukrainians are fighting because they believe would be better off without Moscow.

The war is not popular in Ruzzia. I saw the statistics recently in the Economist. The ones that support the war are the richest elites, they are making a lot. All the rest of the population would rather not have it.

On governments in Europe ... I think Europe is fully convinced of supporting Ukraine. On the US government, we will see, because even if Trump gets an "out of jail" card in March, his "ending the war in 48 hours" means the carrot... but make no mistake: there is also a stick attached to it if Putin finds the offer unacceptable.

The war is not popular in any major country. Do you think the Ukrainian people like it? It wasn't easy for the millions who migrated out of Ukraine just to get away from war. They would have rather stayed home in peace.

But just to show everybody where you are, you seem to like the war, just like your buddy Zelensky... along with the ruling elite of the world and their military war machines. Kill off the few Ukrainians that are left, before they simply fail, and Russia is shown to be the good guy by going in and helping them out with reparations.

Governments are made ups of supposed leaders. They are not made up of the people/citizens. Most of the citizens don't want war. It's the leaders that want war.

Wake up.

Cool

You are wrong. US presidents often rise in popularity when they wage war. Ruzzia population at several levels were supportive of the war at the beginning. Wake up  and try to read some proper information - do you need more confirmation that you are NOT better informed, smarter or more moral than the rest of the users here dumbass?

By the way, it seems that quite a few incidents are ongoing with the Ruzzian civil aviation. It seems that they are "patching" here and there the components, so I would not be surprised to see metal raining from the Ruzzia skies.

legendary
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December 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM
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Glad we're at least partially on the same page. Only i don't think journalists have anything to do with the planning or the outcome whatsoever, they're just mostly pushing whichever propaganda and they're usually a good indicator of whats to come as they're typically used to set the mood/pivot the population before official announcements. As for the generals, the pentagon and NATO overall, either not sending enough weapons to win was just a silly coincidence/misunderstanding/miscalculation and only now, after almost two years of war generals have to make a decision as you claim, or that decision has already been made a while ago and those hundreds of generals get their funding from (career) politicians which are mostly interested in keeping the power or enough popularity to get re/elected. For the upside Putin having a sudden heart attack and Russia falling apart is a huge upside, Russia had control of those Ukrainian bases which are "closer to the EU" all the way up to 2014, and no one really cared much, so why not try it. Now that we see that it didn't work, oh well not much of a downside. But keeping this going has a real downside of Europe tearing apart, and politicians just loosing their jobs if they continue to vote for unpopular war that's only becoming even more unpopular how can they send more than before if now only 18% of population believe US is not sending enough.

The media push an agenda, which does not necessarily mean is a anti-Ruzzian agenda. I am sure many believe that it would be much better to be cozy with Ruzzia. My view, as said many times, is that Ruzzia wants to get a grip on Europe and it needs to stop somewhere - e.g. right here, right now. Ukrainians are fighting because they believe would be better off without Moscow.

The war is not popular in Ruzzia. I saw the statistics recently in the Economist. The ones that support the war are the richest elites, they are making a lot. All the rest of the population would rather not have it.

On governments in Europe ... I think Europe is fully convinced of supporting Ukraine. On the US government, we will see, because even if Trump gets an "out of jail" card in March, his "ending the war in 48 hours" means the carrot... but make no mistake: there is also a stick attached to it if Putin finds the offer unacceptable.

The war is not popular in any major country. Do you think the Ukrainian people like it? It wasn't easy for the millions who migrated out of Ukraine just to get away from war. They would have rather stayed home in peace.

But just to show everybody where you are, you seem to like the war, just like your buddy Zelensky... along with the ruling elite of the world and their military war machines. Kill off the few Ukrainians that are left, before they simply fail, and Russia is shown to be the good guy by going in and helping them out with reparations.

Governments are made ups of supposed leaders. They are not made up of the people/citizens. Most of the citizens don't want war. It's the leaders that want war.

Wake up.

Cool
legendary
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December 13, 2023, 06:13:09 AM
Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now

Russia spends about 20,000 artillery shells daily

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this brilliant strategy.
Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy? Grin

Both of those statements are wrong.

The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.

The New York Times - Dec. 11, 2023
U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive
...
The Russian military, after its own failed drive to Kyiv in 2022, has begun to reverse its fortunes and is rebuilding its might. Moscow now has more troops, ammunition and missiles, and has increased its firepower advantage with a fleet of battlefield drones, many of them supplied by Iran, according to American officials.
...
The Americans are pushing for a conservative strategy that focuses on holding the territory Ukraine has, digging in and building up supplies and forces over the course of the year. The Ukrainians want to go on the attack, either on the ground or with long-range strikes, with the hopes of seizing the world’s attention.
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Many Ukrainian leaders do not realize how precarious continued U.S. funding for the war is, American officials said. These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.

American officials say Ukraine will have to fight on a tighter budget.

[...]


You have just hit the spot! That is exactly the problem! A bunch of journalists that need to sell newspaper no-matter-what and a bunch of generals, particularly US generals, that are not accountable for the results, will not suffer if Ukraine fails and certainly are not know for being able themselves to "fight with a tight budget" (I laughed a lot on this one coming from US generals) telling Ukraine how they have to fight... inclusive the fantastic doctrine about minefields consisting in "going around them".

OMG... this would be so funny if it were not a war.

The US has to make a decision and there are no shortcuts to it: give enough to hold for ever (uneconomic), give enough to win this war (hurts, but hurts only for a little while) or let Ruzzzia take whatever, which brings another war in 4 years - closer to the US bases in EU.

Glad we're at least partially on the same page. Only i don't think journalists have anything to do with the planning or the outcome whatsoever, they're just mostly pushing whichever propaganda and they're usually a good indicator of whats to come as they're typically used to set the mood/pivot the population before official announcements. As for the generals, the pentagon and NATO overall, either not sending enough weapons to win was just a silly coincidence/misunderstanding/miscalculation and only now, after almost two years of war generals have to make a decision as you claim, or that decision has already been made a while ago and those hundreds of generals get their funding from (career) politicians which are mostly interested in keeping the power or enough popularity to get re/elected. For the upside Putin having a sudden heart attack and Russia falling apart is a huge upside, Russia had control of those Ukrainian bases which are "closer to the EU" all the way up to 2014, and no one really cared much, so why not try it. Now that we see that it didn't work, oh well not much of a downside. But keeping this going has a real downside of Europe tearing apart, and politicians just loosing their jobs if they continue to vote for unpopular war that's only becoming even more unpopular how can they send more than before if now only 18% of population believe US is not sending enough.

The media push an agenda, which does not necessarily mean is a anti-Ruzzian agenda. I am sure many believe that it would be much better to be cozy with Ruzzia. My view, as said many times, is that Ruzzia wants to get a grip on Europe and it needs to stop somewhere - e.g. right here, right now. Ukrainians are fighting because they believe would be better off without Moscow.

The war is not popular in Ruzzia. I saw the statistics recently in the Economist. The ones that support the war are the richest elites, they are making a lot. All the rest of the population would rather not have it.

On governments in Europe ... I think Europe is fully convinced of supporting Ukraine. On the US government, we will see, because even if Trump gets an "out of jail" card in March, his "ending the war in 48 hours" means the carrot... but make no mistake: there is also a stick attached to it if Putin finds the offer unacceptable.
legendary
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December 13, 2023, 12:49:32 AM
Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now

Russia spends about 20,000 artillery shells daily

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this brilliant strategy.
Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy? Grin

Both of those statements are wrong.

The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.

The New York Times - Dec. 11, 2023
U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive
...
The Russian military, after its own failed drive to Kyiv in 2022, has begun to reverse its fortunes and is rebuilding its might. Moscow now has more troops, ammunition and missiles, and has increased its firepower advantage with a fleet of battlefield drones, many of them supplied by Iran, according to American officials.
...
The Americans are pushing for a conservative strategy that focuses on holding the territory Ukraine has, digging in and building up supplies and forces over the course of the year. The Ukrainians want to go on the attack, either on the ground or with long-range strikes, with the hopes of seizing the world’s attention.
...
Many Ukrainian leaders do not realize how precarious continued U.S. funding for the war is, American officials said. These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.

American officials say Ukraine will have to fight on a tighter budget.

[...]


You have just hit the spot! That is exactly the problem! A bunch of journalists that need to sell newspaper no-matter-what and a bunch of generals, particularly US generals, that are not accountable for the results, will not suffer if Ukraine fails and certainly are not know for being able themselves to "fight with a tight budget" (I laughed a lot on this one coming from US generals) telling Ukraine how they have to fight... inclusive the fantastic doctrine about minefields consisting in "going around them".

OMG... this would be so funny if it were not a war.

The US has to make a decision and there are no shortcuts to it: give enough to hold for ever (uneconomic), give enough to win this war (hurts, but hurts only for a little while) or let Ruzzzia take whatever, which brings another war in 4 years - closer to the US bases in EU.

Glad we're at least partially on the same page. Only i don't think journalists have anything to do with the planning or the outcome whatsoever, they're just mostly pushing whichever propaganda and they're usually a good indicator of whats to come as they're typically used to set the mood/pivot the population before official announcements. As for the generals, the pentagon and NATO overall, either not sending enough weapons to win was just a silly coincidence/misunderstanding/miscalculation and only now, after almost two years of war generals have to make a decision as you claim, or that decision has already been made a while ago and those hundreds of generals get their funding from (career) politicians which are mostly interested in keeping the power or enough popularity to get re/elected. For the upside Putin having a sudden heart attack and Russia falling apart is a huge upside, Russia had control of those Ukrainian bases which are "closer to the EU" all the way up to 2014, and no one really cared much, so why not try it. Now that we see that it didn't work, oh well not much of a downside. But keeping this going has a real downside of Europe tearing apart, and politicians just loosing their jobs if they continue to vote for unpopular war that's only becoming even more unpopular how can they send more than before if now only 18% of population believe US is not sending enough.
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