Topic: Russian ruble is scam - page 3. (Read 2270 times)

Currently Russia's national currency is probably the most negatively volatile, but to consider it a scam is too severe. It would be the same as saying that a country does not exist or that a country was created wrongly just to make a profit, and that is absurd. Beyond this and as mentioned in other answers, it is necessary to separate feelings from reality, especially the socio-economic aspect in any analysis. Thus, we can understand that the Russian ruble is an aspect related to a country that in this particular case will see its currency plummet because the West punishes actions that do not serve its interests in this way wherever possible.

To make it understandable. Try to write down your sentence on a T-shirt and walk down the streets in Russia. How long you would walk out doesn't matter to the fact where you'll come in the end. If there's absolute 100% (oh, that doesn't count in Russia! Make it 146%!) support for war raging among mostly russian speaking population on both sides, then why oh why should government officials rip out the tongue of Free Press, independent Media and simple protesters on the streets of Russia? They do not afraid of the newspapers, journalists or retired babushkas on the streets! They are franzy afraid of the words they may hear from all these sources! The words of truth...

You see, even nationalists in Ukraine still speak Russian. I don't understand how can someone forcefully switch himself to speak in Ukrainian which is an artificial language whereas Russian is his or her mother tongue. How can anyone switch from one's own native language to an artificial language even if they believe that Russian is a language of the occupants?

Frankly speaking I don't like Putin. Does it mean that I should speak only Eglish since Putin speaks Russian?  

It's there in Ukraine. I am sure there are lots of Ukrainians who would attest to that.
By the way yesterday I read an article about someone traveling by train and overhearing a conversation between a few mobilised Ukrainians who were forcefully sent to the front. One of them said that he would be very happy to join with the Russian forces and move in the direction of Kiev in order to arrest traitor Zelensky and all his company.

I opened with interest and read the article you suggested, which has the title: “Eight years of terror: how the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions exterminated the population of Donbass.” But the article itself very briefly talks about the events of the mass riots on May 2, 2014 in Odessa, which I wrote about earlier. The article clearly states that “Odessa residents who disagreed with the actions of the Kyiv regime encountered radical football fans who came to the Ukrainian championship match taking place on the same day.” Well, where is the terror of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian national battalions? What, the residents of Odessa have already begun to be called the population of Donbass? In addition, the article does not contain a detailed description of the essence of the events, and it is worth noting that the football fans were also Russian-speaking.
But you still provide the facts that the Ukrainian Armed Forces massively killed and terrorized the population of the DPR and LPR, that is, the population of the Donbass region, as you stated earlier.

defaulted ? What does it mean ? I think there is no fraudulent fiat currency because the fiat currency in each country is different and each country will definitely maintain and guarantee the currency. I think the ruble is one of the strongest currencies in the world because Russia is one of the strong countries in the field of economy and resources. Several times America and western countries tried to attack Russia from an economic perspective but Russia was still able to survive.

Russia is not the only country in history to default. A currency does not become a scam just because a country has defaulted. I am anti-war and in favor of peace, but I think this title and topic have misleading content. I'm sure even Russians who are anti-war are hurt by the title and the topic.

Fiat currencies are problematic in every aspect. They depreciate, are constantly vulnerable to the danger of inflation, and can cause hyperinflation. I think it is better to call them all scams...

It is you who is telling stories. If Ukrainians come to Russia they would not be forcefully mobilised. You are living in a fantasy land.

it is Biden and neocons who want to kill as many Russians and Ukrainians as possible because they want to solve the Russian question once and for all. All they want is to subjugate Russia and convert Russia into a US vassal state so that the US could go on exploiting Russia's resouces on the cheap like it was done in the 1990ies.  

Also the necons would like to kill as many people in the world as possible and not only Russians. To this end they invented the global warming hoax telling the world at large that it is very important to reduce carbon emissions in the whole world.

They want to forbid us eat meat and force us start eating insects.

Also a few years ago the global elite invented plandemic and under the pretext of a virus they forced massive amount of people to get a jab, a jab that is harmful for one's health, a jab that killed quite a sizable amount of people in the whole world

  

Well, I have spent some time looking for some articles describing how the Russian speaking Ukrainians were killed by Ukrainian  nationalists and here is 1 article that I found but it's in Russian: https://news.rambler.ru/conflicts/49388723-vosem-let-terrora-kak-vsu-i-natsbatalony-istreblyali-naselenie-donbassa/

At the same time I found at least several articles describing how allegedly the Russians killed Ukrainians but I am sure that all of these articles are a lie because since 2013 or even earlier the Western media of disinformation started a campaign of disinformation whereby they set a goal to prove to the whole world that it was Russians who were the bad guys.

Provocation with MH-17 plane in 2014 was arranged and organised by the CIA with the same goal: to portray Russians as bad guys.

This is an example of a job done by the CIA. To me this is as clear as a day.    

It is preposterous and absurd to claim that the Russians have been killing Ukrainians. Only dumbed down people can believe in this BS.

Don't tell us stories. The best thing that awaits Ukrainians who have fled the war to other countries if they come to Russia is forced mobilization into the Russian army, as is already happening in the occupied territories of Ukraine.

It is not Biden who wants to kill more Russians and Ukrainians, but Putin and his entourage, who gave the order for the Russian army to invade Ukraine and are sending their soldiers to their deaths in Ukraine. Also, it is Putin who can stop this senseless bloodshed any day if he decides to withdraw his troops from Ukraine.

In Russia, as in Ukraine, there are a lot of people who fled to other countries from this stupid and bloody war. But defending your country is the duty of every citizen of any state. At the same time, participating in an attack on another state is complicity in the crime of their leaders and this is condemned by international standards.

I read about it in many places but I will have to search for that information again.

Where did you get the idea that the Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine was subjected to systematic contempt and oppression by the Kyiv regime? Give examples, sources, we will discuss.   In the meantime, on your part there are only slogans on this matter.
Regarding the Russian patriots who criticized Putin, I know that for such criticism Girkin was put in prison and already sentenced to imprisonment, and the second shot himself right at the front because he was subjected to threats and oppression.

Are you saying that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were under fire from the separatists and Russian military from the territory of the DPR and LPR? Nothing can be further from the truth. This is a lie. The artillery fire was started by the Ukrainian nazi but not by the separatists or the Russian Army. And there was no Russian army there in that time. There were a number of Russian volunteers who came to protect the Russian world so to to speak but not the Russian army.

Moreover I know that at that time the Russian authorities complied with requests received from Ukraine and handed some separatists over to Ukraine where they were tortured and killed.

Do you think that it would be absolutely normal for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to be under fire from the separatists and Russian military from the territory of the DPR and LPR and not respond to fire, because there could be civilians there? Your ideas about military operations are interesting. This then is not military action, this is the execution of one side. And responding with fire to fire is, in your opinion, murder. Interesting logic.

Tell me then how this logic was applied in two Chechen wars, when, as you write, the province tried to break away from Russia. And Russia didn’t fire at all on the cities of Chechnya? May I remind you how Russia practically turned the central city of Chechnya, Grozny, into ruins? So which side in this war were the killers on? Or if regions “break away” from Ukraine, this is normal, but at the same time such regions are subject to destruction if they want to secede from Russia?

Yes, You are right in saying that the pace of shelling was not that intensive but it did happen and people in the streets were indeed killed by artillery fire. So the killings of civilian population by artillery fire did take place and you admit it, Then why are you arguing with me?

It does not matter what was the reason for shelling and it does not matter at all whether or not the Kiev regime was vacillating whether or not to start shelling. They nevertheless gave an order to start shelling and bombing these 2 provinces. So the Kiev regime is full of murderers who regarded people in the east of Ukraine somewhat inferior to them. This is called racism, pure and simple.

Do you want to say that Russian speaking population in the east of Ukraine has not been systematically despised and oppressed by the Kiev regime? I have read many stories about such incidents almost every week during 2014-2022 period. And I did not watch Russian state TV. All I was reading at that time were the blogs of some Russian patriots that openly criticized the Putin regime. Still many Russian voluntreers in the Russian forces are still criticizing Putin.

You again have incorrect information about the actions of the Ukrainian government and its people. The events of the end of 2013, which took place mainly on the Independence Square in Kyiv and were called the Revolution of Dignity, were exclusively directed against Yanukovych’s entourage, who abandoned Ukraine’s previously taken course of joining the European Union. It was because of this that people took to the streets in outrage. But since Putin saw that Ukraine would escape Russia’s control if it joined the European Union, he decided to forcefully turn Ukraine away from the European Union, and at the same time from possible accession to NATO in the distant future. But the Russians were practically indifferent to the pro-European positions of the Ukrainians. That’s why the Kremlin came up with the myth that Ukraine is becoming anti-Russian. Otherwise, the Kremlin would not have been able to mobilize Russians for war against Ukraine. The hostility towards Russians is now increasing only because Russian soldiers are now trying to destroy Ukraine and Ukrainians, and the remaining 70 percent of the Russian population still supports this war.

And now about the bombing of the “breakaway provinces”. Putin’s initial plan was to return the DPR and LPR to Ukraine after some time, but on the basis of autonomy, in which these pseudo-republics would have their own police, courts, army and representation in the legislative body of Ukraine - the Verkhovna Rada. If this happened, this autonomy with the full control of Russia would strictly prevent Ukraine from joining the European Union and NATO. But Ukraine, understanding this, could not accommodate such plans of the Kremlin. Then they decided that they would encourage Ukraine to make such a decision by constant shelling of Ukrainian territory from the demarcation line. For some time, understanding the essence of these provocative attacks, Kyiv did not give permission to the Ukrainian Armed Forces to return fire. But the soldiers at the demarcation line began to be indignant: they were under constant fire, unable to hit enemy firing points. Therefore, after some time, such permission was given.

And now about the shelling of the LPR and DPR, and in particular, Donetsk. You claim that from 2014 to 2022, Ukraine constantly bombed these territories, destroying cities and their populations. The positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka were only a few kilometers from the city of Donetsk and cannon artillery could freely reach there. What would have happened to Donetsk in eight years if all this time the Ukrainian Armed Forces had been constantly shelling and bombing it? Let me remind you: Russia is now turning large populated areas of Ukraine into ruins in just a couple of months. But even now there is no major destruction in Donetsk. From time to time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces only carry out targeted strikes against concentrations of enemy personnel and equipment. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces could return Donetsk under its control many times over. Periodically, they drove into Donetsk in armored vehicles and noted the almost complete absence, not only of defense, but even of enemy troops. But if the Ukrainian Armed Forces had done this, then Donetsk would definitely have been turned into ruins, as Russia is now trying to do with the liberated Kherson.

Today I stumbled across an interesting series of articles about the Ukrainian conflict.
Here is a link:

The economic viability of Ukraine is now questionable. Either those men are dying or the ones abroad who fail to renew nationality documents for fear of breaking the tyrannical laws in Ukraine (cease to remain Ukrainian)

https://imontheball.com/the-genocide-that-nobody-is-discussing/ Poland will get a chunk, Russia will keep the East & the money spent will be a fulcrum to spill battles & conflict throughout Europe.

Wrote about on my blog why I think the next round by the military industrial complex will not be in Iran, Syria or Africa, but Europe.
https://imontheball.com/europe-is-the-next-big-battlefield-again/


After reading it through I wrote the following to the author of those two articles:

I have read both of your articles and since I am Russian myself and have been living in Russia since the time of USSR I would say that you did a good job by giving the right eye opening information in both of your articles.

There's only one thing that I would like to add regarding those Ukrainians who managed to escape to the West from the meat grinder:

Now that their passports have expired all those Ukrainians who escaped to the West can escape to Russia where they would be met with sympathy and treated well and not sent to the meat grinder. If they go back to Ukraine they would be sent to the meat grinder.

Do you see the irony of the situation? Many of the Ukrainians who escaped to the West hate Putin but now they might find out the hard way that only Russia is their friend  and not the West because I read that countries of the West are already thinking about how to send all these male Ukrainian migrants back to Ukraine where they would be slaughtered in the war.

Not oppressed there? What are you smoking? It is being oppressed there every single day!