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January 01, 2024, 04:06:32 PM
I wasn't talking about different generations here, I am ok with different generations competing with each other. But I don't like the comparison between players who play in totally different environments and under totally different conditions. I know that this statistic is counting goals globally and all players from all leagues are compared, but that's where this statistic lacks meaning as there is a huge difference whether Haaland breaks a record in the Premier League or Ronaldo breaks a record in the Saudi Professional League.
I agree with you on this. It is illogical to compare players from various environments and leagues. It's not all about the objectives, is it? It is about the path to those objectives. Ronaldo is a huge fish in a small pond when it comes to the Saudi League. Although he is undoubtedly a legend, the opposition he currently confronts is nothing like what Haaland encounters in the Premier League. It's like comparing a professional soccer player to a standout high school player - both are amazing in their own right, but not to the same extent. Rather than applying generalizations to every player's accomplishment, we should begin to value each one in its unique circumstances
That has been always true but unfortunately if you look at Twitter and how many goals he has scored this year, people talk about it like he has done something amazing. I mean look at his Portugal career in this year as well, he hasn't played much, and on the games he played, I remember him scoring against a very weak team once, nothing more.

I believe that it's quite obvious that he is not as good as he used to be, but people seem to be not caring about that. Like lets assume he didn't had any fight with ETH, and he was doing very well with him in relationship wise so ETH uses him as striker even to this day instead of getting Hojlund, do you really think that he would have scored anything similar? Or even something like 20 goals all year long? I doubt that.
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January 01, 2024, 02:27:50 PM
One thing i was surprised to see when Ronaldo becomes this year top goalscorer, is he dont win this "award" since 2015. and that make me think so many things, and also where i was at that time, and how times flies, it was sad in someways. I am the only one with that feeling?

Ronaldo can score a lot of goals in Soudi Pro League. We see good performances from Ronaldo in every match. Also his fitness is still very good. He has managed to score 20 goals and 9 assists in 18 matches this season. I thought Benzema would probably be able to score as many goals as Ronaldo. But we don't see a good enough performance from Benzema in the Saudi league. He scored only 9 goals and 5 assists in 15 matches. He is far behind Ronaldo. On the other hand, Neymar's condition is now very deplorable due to injuries. He has played only 3 matches this season. Couldn't score any goals.
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January 01, 2024, 02:02:49 PM
Al-Taawoun vs Al-Nassr Yesterday match of both teams enjoyed very nice match. Al-Taawoun did not play very well. Goalkeeper of Al-Taawoun team had a bad performance for which Al-Taawoun team scored 1 goal. Al-Taawoun team played  scored the first goal in the first 13 minutes of the start. On the other hand, Al-Nassr won the match by scoring 4 goals. I expected to see a tough fight between the two teams in this match, but I could not see it due to the poor performance of the Al-Taawoun team. The two teams were almost equal in the points table.
Al Tawoon actually started the match well, but they couldn't continue it. When you look at Al Nassr, they have great players and only the leader Al Hilal can challenge them. Al Hilal currently continues to maintain its leadership by a wide margin. The next matches should be lossless for Al Nassr. Now their only chance will be to wait for Al Hilal to lose points.
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January 01, 2024, 01:58:43 PM
Ronaldo's SPL dominance with Al Nassr is amazing. I think his success is due to the team's full support, unlike at Man United. 20 goals is impressive, and he's a key player in Al Nassr's title race. With Mitrovic leading the way, Al Hilal is untouchable this season. I wonder whether Ronaldo can help Al Nassr pass them. It'll be hard, but Ronaldo can do it.

The key is consistency and seizing opportunities. Al Nassr has a good chance, but they must keep performing. Although strong, Al Hilal are not invincible. You can never count Al Nassr out with Ronaldo.

Team support brings out the best in a person and it was what Manchester United denied him and despite all the negativity he managed to be the team’s highest goal scorer. They thought Ronaldo is finished just because he can’t dribble anymore but they forgot how good a goal scorer he is, he is not the youngster they once new he is now old and body too weak to run all round the field dribbling.

He is a very important player and plays huge role in their title race, for his age 20 goals in just half season is super impressive this means he could promise 30 - 35+ goals for the league, something no youngster can promise nowadays if not Haaland and Mbappe. It will very hard to pass Al Hilal because they are more organized than Al Nassr and any other team in the league bit if they should show any sign of relentlessness Al Nassr could pass them.
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January 01, 2024, 01:44:36 PM
Although Ronaldo seems to use power over the pure skills, but it also requires the intelligence (smartness). So, it is wrong if you claim Ronaldo isn't a smart player while Messi is smart player. If Ronaldo only focus on the power, he won't get the chance to score many goals. We mustn't deny that Ronaldo already scored many goals that look as smart goals. For me, both Ronaldo and Messi are smart players. When they kick the ball, it will be unpredictable and it probably will be beautiful goals.




Messi May be the smarter player in the game,but you should understand the fact.The Ronaldo had the huge fan bases compared to the rest of the player including the Messi.Both Messi and Ronaldo was the goat in the football.But the game of both this two player was in the different style,the best player in this was none.Every player had their own style,this was the reason for some fans will have their own fans in the football community.If the both this player was playing the match,it will be the biggest match of the history.The organisers will become the millionaire in the single day match in the stadium.The possibility of scoring goals in the penalty will be made by Ronaldo.
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January 01, 2024, 01:43:48 PM

Yes, I agree with you that Mbappe, Haaland and Kane are at a different level of competition to Ronaldo and that is a fact. But sometimes at an older age Ronaldo can still be productive and try to compete to chase other records. Ronaldo never once thought about retiring when he was at his current age.

However, what counts is the number of goals and despite being in a different generation, Ronaldo proves that competition still exists. All players have levels depending on their current age and Ronaldo will only be able to place his current performance in the Saudi league and will not be able to be at the top in European competitions like when he was young.

I wasn't talking about different generations here, I am ok with different generations competing with each other. But I don't like the comparison between players who play in totally different environments and under totally different conditions. I know that this statistic is counting goals globally and all players from all leagues are compared, but that's where this statistic lacks meaning as there is a huge difference whether Haaland breaks a record in the Premier League or Ronaldo breaks a record in the Saudi Professional League.
I agree with you on this. It is illogical to compare players from various environments and leagues. It's not all about the objectives, is it? It is about the path to those objectives. Ronaldo is a huge fish in a small pond when it comes to the Saudi League. Although he is undoubtedly a legend, the opposition he currently confronts is nothing like what Haaland encounters in the Premier League. It's like comparing a professional soccer player to a standout high school player - both are amazing in their own right, but not to the same extent. Rather than applying generalizations to every player's accomplishment, we should begin to value each one in its unique circumstances

Exactly, and it would be similar if you compare all basketball players around the world with each other and then come to the conclusion that one guy from some inferior league from Asia or Europe is better than the number one scorer from the NBA because the PPG is higher. That makes no sense and I am sure most people get that.

But I don't want to discredit Ronaldo's performance because he is still acing the game. He is still better than the others as there is some comparison that can be made. Just see how Benzema is doing. That's where it becomes obvious that Ronaldo is still on top of things, but should not be compared across leagues.
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January 01, 2024, 01:33:37 PM
A lot of great players have come to this league and the quality of this league is only normal that has increased a lot with the coming with Cristiano Ronaldo and alike.Speaking of Cristiano he is for no reason in my opinion the greatest of all time as he ended the year with 59 or a bit more goals at the age of 38 and he has promised to at least repeat the same performance this upcoming year where he will be 39 in February.I know that most people may say he is playing in a weaker league than in Europe but sometimes it is difficult to get used to play in these so called "lower quality" leagues.I think what is to be appreciated it is this player mindset,he thinks to beat new records even at the age of 39,I don't know any other player thinking the same,that is why for me is the greatest of all time.
It makes sense, Ronaldo movements have always attracted many people, especially if you look at the record he recently set, perhaps no player can do that at the age of 38. If Al Nassr wins the SPL and Ronaldo becomes top scorer, then the image of the SPL will improve even more, I am very sure about that. the impact of Ronaldo presence is very big on the progress of the SPL, there will be many more top european players who will be tempted to move to the SPL by Ronaldo, he has had a big influence. his thoughts and ambitions do not yet show signs of being sufficient, even though we know that he is already very old for a professional player, but that is the challenge for himself, that age does not limit him from continuing to work on the field.
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January 01, 2024, 01:31:55 PM
You can compare them and Ronaldo is all about full force, not about precision and smartness. You can see it when he takes a free kick, he never takes them as a smart shooter. He takes them with full force hoping he hits it right. Messi in contract is a smart player with unmatched precision and unprecedented short way acceleration and deceleration. If someone likes to watch beautiful soccer, Messi is the one to stick with. If someone prefers to watch soccer that is about pure force, Ronaldo might be the better choice.
Although Ronaldo seems to use power over the pure skills, but it also requires the intelligence (smartness). So, it is wrong if you claim Ronaldo isn't a smart player while Messi is smart player. If Ronaldo only focus on the power, he won't get the chance to score many goals. We mustn't deny that Ronaldo already scored many goals that look as smart goals. For me, both Ronaldo and Messi are smart players. When they kick the ball, it will be unpredictable and it probably will be beautiful goals.


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January 01, 2024, 12:57:39 PM
One thing i was surprised to see when Ronaldo becomes this year top goalscorer, is he dont win this "award" since 2015. and that make me think so many things, and also where i was at that time, and how times flies, it was sad in someways. I am the only one with that feeling?
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January 01, 2024, 12:43:13 PM
Al-Taawoun vs Al-Nassr Yesterday match of both teams enjoyed very nice match. Al-Taawoun did not play very well. Goalkeeper of Al-Taawoun team had a bad performance for which Al-Taawoun team scored 1 goal. Al-Taawoun team played  scored the first goal in the first 13 minutes of the start. On the other hand, Al-Nassr won the match by scoring 4 goals. I expected to see a tough fight between the two teams in this match, but I could not see it due to the poor performance of the Al-Taawoun team. The two teams were almost equal in the points table.

I was not expecting CR7 would be scoring in the additional time. It was also adding more goal for ronaldo. The reason why the win for Al Nassr is so significant is because I am well aware that if they had not completely controlled the ball, it would not have been possible.
Al nassr is far superior compared to the taawoun in everything. Despite the fact that Taawoun has attempted more goals, Al Nassr's accuracy surpasses theirs. The statistics clearly indicate that Al Nassr has been finding the back of the net with a total of four goals.

That's amazing to see that al nassr got another big win from taawoun.
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January 01, 2024, 12:38:05 PM
I don't think we should compare Messi and Ronaldo, because they have their own strengths and to say who is better I think they are at the same level.
We are lucky to be able to witness their greatness and I think it will be difficult to find plyers like them in a very fierce competition. It will be very sad when they decide to retire as footballers.
They are footballers who last a very long time, even their dominance is unstoppable for more than a decade. Although many young players are born who have a good game, they remain a very interesting topic of conversation.
Now that they are old, they are just enjoying their career before deciding to retire later. They deserve to be considered as one of the legends of football.

You can compare them and Ronaldo is all about full force, not about precision and smartness. You can see it when he takes a free kick, he never takes them as a smart shooter. He takes them with full force hoping he hits it right. Messi in contract is a smart player with unmatched precision and unprecedented short way acceleration and deceleration. If someone likes to watch beautiful soccer, Messi is the one to stick with. If someone prefers to watch soccer that is about pure force, Ronaldo might be the better choice.

@Jody.Drummer, I certainly agree with you here. Their golden era is about to end and I am nothing but grateful because I have been able to watch it. But Ronaldo is still scoring goals like he is still in his prime which is amazing. Although he is still 38 years old, he is scoring in the Saudi league like it is nothing. He scored 43 goals this year for Al-Nassr and 10 times for Portugal.

Messi on the other hand won the World Cup which I believe has completed his trophy cabinet. His play always amazed me. I think instead of comparing them, we should enjoy what is left of them and remember them, and be grateful we were able to witness them play!

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January 01, 2024, 11:00:38 AM
Last night was a victory that Al-Shabab really missed because in the last 6 matches in the Saudi league, Al-Shabab have never tasted victory again. They did this when they hosted al-Wehda at home and the win with a narrow score of 1-0 allowed Al-Shabab to breathe a sigh of relief to be able to move away from the relegation zone again. Abdullah Radif was a hero for Al-Shabab's victory in this match and if he had not scored a goal in the 86th minute then it is certain that the two teams would only be tied for 1 point.

Al-Shabab is indeed one of the teams that has experienced a drastic decline this season and they are very doubtful of being able to return to the top flight. But if they close this season without being relegated, that would be the best achievement they could do.

Another horrible performance from wehda. There is something wrong with this club. It's having very inconsistent performance as the club is laways getting LWLWL. Wehda can go out from the top 10 if the club keeps show another shitty performance like that.
Shabab is surprisingly able beating wehda with a narrow score. Shabab was able leading the game against wehda which is surprising me to see that. It's not a lucky day for wehda coz it's doing another bottle job again.
Shabab can climb up again as long as it keeps getting three points. The main target to put the position of club far away from the relegation zone. This seems hard to be done but shabab had no choice other than to be relegated to the lower league.
It will be also giving impact to the reputation of club as well. Al shabab was lucky enough in the last match against wehda.
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January 01, 2024, 10:41:06 AM
A lot of great players have come to this league and the quality of this league is only normal that has increased a lot with the coming with Cristiano Ronaldo and alike.Speaking of Cristiano he is for no reason in my opinion the greatest of all time as he ended the year with 59 or a bit more goals at the age of 38 and he has promised to at least repeat the same performance this upcoming year where he will be 39 in February.I know that most people may say he is playing in a weaker league than in Europe but sometimes it is difficult to get used to play in these so called "lower quality" leagues.I think what is to be appreciated it is this player mindset,he thinks to beat new records even at the age of 39,I don't know any other player thinking the same,that is why for me is the greatest of all time.
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January 01, 2024, 10:38:48 AM
I liked how the Al-Nassr squad won the match. They enable players to score goals evenly. Which indicates there is no selfishness in the Al-Nassr squad. In this match, Talisca did not score a goal but he had an important role by making 1 assist. And C.Ronaldo really ended the year very brilliantly. Well that was C.Ronaldo's last goal at the end of the year. This player, who is no longer young, always amazes me with the stamina he has. Even though he is no longer young, he often plays full time. And it is quite impressive to see that C. Ronaldo can be more productive than the young players.

But the difference in points with Al-hilal is still the same and yes, it is very difficult to wait for Al-hilal to lose points this season. Because everyone definitely admits how strong Al-hilal's performance is currently. And Al-Nassr, which continues to trail in second place, is also quite good because Al-Nassr has also been able to maintain positive results to date. But if Al-Nassr fails then it will ensure that Al-hilal will indeed win the title this season.

As usual, Cristiano Ronaldo is always a brilliant striker in whatever team he is in, even now he is at the top of the Saudi Arabian league's top scorers with 20 goals even though Al Nassr is in 2nd place in the Saudi Arabian league standings.
Al Hilal is a tough opponent, even though Neymar is not in the team due to injury, Al Hilal is able to win and has not been defeated even in match 19 now. The match in the Saudi Arabian league will happen again in February 2024, I'm curious whether Al Hilal's consistency will continue or they will actually lose against Al Raed later.
But for now the team that interests me is Al Nassr, their chances of winning the Saudi Arabian League Cup this season are still quite wide open.
Ronaldo's SPL dominance with Al Nassr is amazing. I think his success is due to the team's full support, unlike at Man United. 20 goals is impressive, and he's a key player in Al Nassr's title race. With Mitrovic leading the way, Al Hilal is untouchable this season. I wonder whether Ronaldo can help Al Nassr pass them. It'll be hard, but Ronaldo can do it.

The key is consistency and seizing opportunities. Al Nassr has a good chance, but they must keep performing. Although strong, Al Hilal are not invincible. You can never count Al Nassr out with Ronaldo.
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January 01, 2024, 10:37:24 AM
Al-Taawoun vs Al-Nassr Yesterday match of both teams enjoyed very nice match. Al-Taawoun did not play very well. Goalkeeper of Al-Taawoun team had a bad performance for which Al-Taawoun team scored 1 goal. Al-Taawoun team played  scored the first goal in the first 13 minutes of the start. On the other hand, Al-Nassr won the match by scoring 4 goals. I expected to see a tough fight between the two teams in this match, but I could not see it due to the poor performance of the Al-Taawoun team. The two teams were almost equal in the points table.
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January 01, 2024, 09:53:57 AM
Last night was a victory that Al-Shabab really missed because in the last 6 matches in the Saudi league, Al-Shabab have never tasted victory again. They did this when they hosted al-Wehda at home and the win with a narrow score of 1-0 allowed Al-Shabab to breathe a sigh of relief to be able to move away from the relegation zone again. Abdullah Radif was a hero for Al-Shabab's victory in this match and if he had not scored a goal in the 86th minute then it is certain that the two teams would only be tied for 1 point.

Al-Shabab is indeed one of the teams that has experienced a drastic decline this season and they are very doubtful of being able to return to the top flight. But if they close this season without being relegated, that would be the best achievement they could do.
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January 01, 2024, 09:26:09 AM

I believe Messi is a better football player, but I'm sure Cristiano Ronaldo is a more hardworking football player. Even though he is 38 years old, he still runs a lot on the pitch and puts a lot of effort. I think it's impossible to do that with God-given talents. These are achievements that are the result of hard work, discipline and a regular life. Ronaldo is above all a good professional. And he works hard to live like a good professional.
I don't think we should compare Messi and Ronaldo, because they have their own strengths and to say who is better I think they are at the same level.
We are lucky to be able to witness their greatness and I think it will be difficult to find plyers like them in a very fierce competition. It will be very sad when they decide to retire as footballers.
They are footballers who last a very long time, even their dominance is unstoppable for more than a decade. Although many young players are born who have a good game, they remain a very interesting topic of conversation.
Now that they are old, they are just enjoying their career before deciding to retire later. They deserve to be considered as one of the legends of football.

You can compare them and Ronaldo is all about full force, not about precision and smartness. You can see it when he takes a free kick, he never takes them as a smart shooter. He takes them with full force hoping he hits it right. Messi in contract is a smart player with unmatched precision and unprecedented short way acceleration and deceleration. If someone likes to watch beautiful soccer, Messi is the one to stick with. If someone prefers to watch soccer that is about pure force, Ronaldo might be the better choice.
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January 01, 2024, 09:03:14 AM

I believe Messi is a better football player, but I'm sure Cristiano Ronaldo is a more hardworking football player. Even though he is 38 years old, he still runs a lot on the pitch and puts a lot of effort. I think it's impossible to do that with God-given talents. These are achievements that are the result of hard work, discipline and a regular life. Ronaldo is above all a good professional. And he works hard to live like a good professional.
I don't think we should compare Messi and Ronaldo, because they have their own strengths and to say who is better I think they are at the same level.
We are lucky to be able to witness their greatness and I think it will be difficult to find plyers like them in a very fierce competition. It will be very sad when they decide to retire as footballers.
They are footballers who last a very long time, even their dominance is unstoppable for more than a decade. Although many young players are born who have a good game, they remain a very interesting topic of conversation.
Now that they are old, they are just enjoying their career before deciding to retire later. They deserve to be considered as one of the legends of football.
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January 01, 2024, 08:27:38 AM
As usual, Cristiano Ronaldo is always a brilliant striker in whatever team he is in, even now he is at the top of the Saudi Arabian league's top scorers with 20 goals even though Al Nassr is in 2nd place in the Saudi Arabian league standings.
Al Hilal is a tough opponent, even though Neymar is not in the team due to injury, Al Hilal is able to win and has not been defeated even in match 19 now. The match in the Saudi Arabian league will happen again in February 2024, I'm curious whether Al Hilal's consistency will continue or they will actually lose against Al Raed later.
But for now the team that interests me is Al Nassr, their chances of winning the Saudi Arabian League Cup this season are still quite wide open.

If not as the top scorer it is not Ronaldo, it's fake Ronaldo Cheesy there is no doubt that its ability can be relied upon in any league if he can compete in European leagues so there is no reason to exclude the Saudi Pro League. If Al-Nassr fails to win the title this season at least Ronaldo can secure golden shoes it can save him from fans' ridicule, We will watch the match in this league in February. lol what they do this month without a match, nearly 5 weeks without a match, why did the league break up to 5 weeks?
maybe if Al Nassr fails to win the title this season it won't be a problem because as you said if Ronaldo wins the valuable title and one side Al Nassr is currently quite comfortable being runner up because all it needs is to have a big name that can be known throughout the world because it has a scoring machine with large numbers that can make Al Nassr big name known throughout the world and become a popular team in the SPL.
regarding the 5 week break, I also think the same thing if other leagues have a break that is not too long while the SPL is still in february or maybe every team will try to target european players in large numbers so it will take a long time.
but it shouldn't be 5 weeks and maybe there is something that causes the match schedule to be a bit longer but who knows what influences the gap that is too long because we haven't really studied everything in this SPL.

btw, it looks like after the break, I speculate that there will be a big surprise from Al Hilal, maybe they will lose at least once and bettors have to be careful betting on every Al Hilal match or else they will get a painful surprise. because for me a break that is too long has little influence on the players' performance and no matter how good a team is, it will definitely lose at least once in a season.
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January 01, 2024, 06:58:18 AM
We will watch the match in this league in February. lol what they do this month without a match, nearly 5 weeks without a match, why did the league break up to 5 weeks?
Little funny with Saudi  Pro League match schedule how possibility second half season get more than 5 week break out and teams will not play any one match except teams still participants in AFC Champion League of AFC Cup. Usually second half season break out around one week only because its not first half season have get break out more than five weeks. As Cristiano Ronaldo fans little disappointed because he will not able scoring goals in January 2024 except his appearances in AFC Champion League.
The match schedule that is paused in the SPL will indeed be very different from European football competitions, even the open transfer window will be much longer than what happened with European football, each country will have their own regulations and we can only accept them.
Moreover, longer break will also provide benefits for each team to be able to train better and prepare their best strengths for the next match after the transfer window has opened.
But it is true that many Ronaldo fans are little disappointed because they will not be able to see their idol player score goals during the break which takes place this January.

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Actually AFC Asian Cup make all Asian League competition have postponed awhile, its bad regulation from AFC how come they play tournament on middle competition begin, usually all tournament will play after end league exactly around May to June not in January.
Now this is what is little confusing and of course there will be quite significant impact on each team and of course the most unexpected thing is injury problems which could possibly occur so that when the time comes to play in major competition such as the SPL team that experience problems like this will decreased in terms of performance and quality of play.
But that Asian football, it will never be as good as European football, it just that the SPL in my opinion will really be much better than competitions like the AFC Asian Cup.
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