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July 26, 2023, 12:27:57 AM
After some time ago Sadio Mane was linked with Al-Nassr, now the player's agent traveled to Japan to meet with Al-Nassr who is currently also on a series of pre-season tours there. Even Sadio Mane has given the green light for the two parties to start negotiating. I think this is a sign that Sadio Mane is very prepared to be in the saudi league and maybe his situation at Bayern Munich makes him even more uncomfortable to stay. Let's wait for the next update and hope to find a bright spot soon to make this transfer easier.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683786765771984909
The coach of Bayern Munich Thomas Tuchel has made it clear that Mane will not get an automatic first-team shirt because his performance last season was not encouraging. He managed to score 12 goals because he was challenged by injuries and unhealthy behavior. So he has to fight for a place in the team with Kingsley Coman and Serge Gnabry and these two players are in top forms. He was determined to fight for a place in the team but with Bayern gunning for Harry Kane, Mane may have seen that he has no future in Bayern.
 
Bayern is willing to offload him, hence the news of his agent meeting the representatives of Al-Nassr is not a surprise. At 31 he is still fast and strong, which means he can still play top-flight football in other clubs in Europe. But the financial benefit and the number of top players that have moved to the Saudi Professional League might motivate him to leave.
It can be said that the competition for a starting place in the Bayern Munich squad is difficult because there are so many younger players to be able to fill that position properly and because of that Sadio Mane seems to be slowly being pushed aside by Bayern Munich. Maybe no one would have thought that his prime with Liverpool before would continue when he was at Bayern Munich and indeed there were always problems that made Sadio Mane lose his best performance. I think now the most obvious option is to join Al-Nassr and for sure he doesn't have to worry about trivial things like at Bayern Munich. Sadio Mane, a Muslim, will make him much more comfortable in worship as well as to continue his career playing football in the Saudi league.
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July 25, 2023, 11:57:05 PM
But doesn't it depend on his personal goals and desires for his life? I have also read many comments about how he is throwing his career in the trash when he accepts to play for Al-Hilal, but when his goal is to make an impact in life and he wants to accumulate as much money as possible in order to be able to do exactly what he thinks is right in life, he would be dumb to not find an agreement with Al-Hilal. I can't tell what it is that he wants to achieve, but the amount of money we are talking about here can't be played down. This might well be something that is going through his mind these days, that with all that money he could change things that matter more than trophies.

I'm afraid you misunderstood, Al Hilal only made an offer to PSG while not starting talks with Mbappe meaning that 300 million is an offer for PSG as a release fee not to Mbappe, if 300 million is Mbappe's salary per year then I'm 99% sure Mbappe will accept this offer, imagine only playing for 5 years then he can buy one of the elite clubs in europa with his salary  Cheesy but the fact is that Mbappe will not earn more than 300 million per year wherever he plays including in the Saudi Pro League. I heard that if Mbappe moves to Madrid he will receive a salary of more than 100 million per year so maybe that's his consideration because he can get 2 opportunities career and salary while Al Hilal only offers a salary.
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July 25, 2023, 10:34:10 PM
However, it looks like Mbappé will refuse the offer and will become a free-agent. My guess is that Mbappé will refuse to travel to Saudi Arabia, and will instead join Real Madrid. Back in 2022, he had expressed his interest in joining the Spanish club. At this point, he is not thinking about the money.
If PSG is really smart they would reduce the price tag on Mbappe and convince Real Madrid to sign him or look for other good suitors in Europe that can pay a reasonable amount. All this forceful approach will not work, I even learnt he's not training with the main squad but with some players who will be offloaded by the club this transfer window. If he fails to sign with Al Hilal and does not go to Real Madrid, PSG will at the losing side. Mbappe has a running contract with them and must finish it, whether they play him or choose to bench him, his weekly salary is very sure and he will get paid.

Well, from the part of Paris Saint Germain, it is not very ethical to try to bring down his salary, after everything was agreed previously. A number of players are dropping out of PSG recently and I am not sure about the reason. Perhaps there are issues between the management and the players, or the owners no longer want to splurge huge sums anymore. For Mbappé, I don't think that it is a viable option to remain in PSG anymore. But his move to Real Madrid is not yet confirmed. The last thing he would want is to be left in a state of suspended animation.
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July 25, 2023, 09:15:07 PM
However, it looks like Mbappé will refuse the offer and will become a free-agent. My guess is that Mbappé will refuse to travel to Saudi Arabia, and will instead join Real Madrid. Back in 2022, he had expressed his interest in joining the Spanish club. At this point, he is not thinking about the money.
If PSG is really smart they would reduce the price tag on Mbappe and convince Real Madrid to sign him or look for other good suitors in Europe that can pay a reasonable amount. All this forceful approach will not work, I even learnt he's not training with the main squad but with some players who will be offloaded by the club this transfer window. If he fails to sign with Al Hilal and does not go to Real Madrid, PSG will at the losing side. Mbappe has a running contract with them and must finish it, whether they play him or choose to bench him, his weekly salary is very sure and he will get paid.
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July 25, 2023, 08:49:03 PM
Mbappe is one of the best players in the world and I can't believe that we are talking about Saudi Arabian teams hiring this player because they have enough money to do that and they can even give huge amounts of money to PSG and Mbappe so both of them will be happy and accept this offer which is not something surprising.

Mbappe is one of the best. I can agree with that statement. But we need to see whether the move from Al Hilal is serious or not. They are offering him $332 million per year as per news reports and Mbappé is yet to sign the contract renewal with Paris Saint Germain. However, it looks like Mbappé will refuse the offer and will become a free-agent. My guess is that Mbappé will refuse to travel to Saudi Arabia, and will instead join Real Madrid. Back in 2022, he had expressed his interest in joining the Spanish club. At this point, he is not thinking about the money.
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July 25, 2023, 04:41:43 PM
The problem is we don't know what Mbappe wants yet is he really chasing money? if yes then Al Hilal is the solution but what if he pursues a career? obviously Real Madrid is the solution, in general all top players will pursue career first then money therefore I doubt if Mbappe will choose Al Hilal. I'm not a Mbappe fan so it doesn't matter to me wherever he plays it's just that I'm interested in following this drama, I wonder if talented young players prefer money over career. If he was me then I would choose a career then at the end of the career I would make money  Grin
This might really be a tough decision for Mbappe to make, we all know that money is really important, but he also has a career to build, so he shouldn’t be distracted with money. It’s kind of just too early for Mbappe to end his career, I know the amount Al Hilal is offering him is really kind of much, but if he can go there, then his career have been ruined already, most players going to Saudi league are already old and they don’t have career left to build, they are just going to relax and enjoy their money there, but as a young player which everyone is looking up to, then he shouldn’t allow money to spoil his career, Mbappe should just forget about the money and focus on his career, time will come when he will be able to enjoy his money, but it shouldn’t be now.

But doesn't it depend on his personal goals and desires for his life? I have also read many comments about how he is throwing his career in the trash when he accepts to play for Al-Hilal, but when his goal is to make an impact in life and he wants to accumulate as much money as possible in order to be able to do exactly what he thinks is right in life, he would be dumb to not find an agreement with Al-Hilal. I can't tell what it is that he wants to achieve, but the amount of money we are talking about here can't be played down. This might well be something that is going through his mind these days, that with all that money he could change things that matter more than trophies.
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July 25, 2023, 04:28:56 PM
The problem is we don't know what Mbappe wants yet is he really chasing money? if yes then Al Hilal is the solution but what if he pursues a career? obviously Real Madrid is the solution, in general all top players will pursue career first then money therefore I doubt if Mbappe will choose Al Hilal. I'm not a Mbappe fan so it doesn't matter to me wherever he plays it's just that I'm interested in following this drama, I wonder if talented young players prefer money over career. If he was me then I would choose a career then at the end of the career I would make money  Grin
This might really be a tough decision for Mbappe to make, we all know that money is really important, but he also has a career to build, so he shouldn’t be distracted with money. It’s kind of just too early for Mbappe to end his career, I know the amount Al Hilal is offering him is really kind of much, but if he can go there, then his career have been ruined already, most players going to Saudi league are already old and they don’t have career left to build, they are just going to relax and enjoy their money there, but as a young player which everyone is looking up to, then he shouldn’t allow money to spoil his career, Mbappe should just forget about the money and focus on his career, time will come when he will be able to enjoy his money, but it shouldn’t be now.

Mbappe is one of the best players in the world and I can't believe that we are talking about Saudi Arabian teams hiring this player because they have enough money to do that and they can even give huge amounts of money to PSG and Mbappe so both of them will be happy and accept this offer which is not something surprising.
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July 25, 2023, 03:15:29 PM
The problem is we don't know what Mbappe wants yet is he really chasing money? if yes then Al Hilal is the solution but what if he pursues a career? obviously Real Madrid is the solution, in general all top players will pursue career first then money therefore I doubt if Mbappe will choose Al Hilal. I'm not a Mbappe fan so it doesn't matter to me wherever he plays it's just that I'm interested in following this drama, I wonder if talented young players prefer money over career. If he was me then I would choose a career then at the end of the career I would make money  Grin
This might really be a tough decision for Mbappe to make, we all know that money is really important, but he also has a career to build, so he shouldn’t be distracted with money. It’s kind of just too early for Mbappe to end his career, I know the amount Al Hilal is offering him is really kind of much, but if he can go there, then his career have been ruined already, most players going to Saudi league are already old and they don’t have career left to build, they are just going to relax and enjoy their money there, but as a young player which everyone is looking up to, then he shouldn’t allow money to spoil his career, Mbappe should just forget about the money and focus on his career, time will come when he will be able to enjoy his money, but it shouldn’t be now.
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July 25, 2023, 03:15:13 PM
A lot has been said about PIF and I have just tried to find details about PIF. PIF is a consortium of investors chaired by Mohammed bin Salman Al-Saud who is the Prince of Saudi Arabia and Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It turns out that PIF manages and invests in Saudi Arabia. They are very rapidly developed.  Currently, PIF is one of the largest public investment institutions in the world with an estimated asset value of 620 billion USD or 514 billion pounds. Currently PIF Public Investment Fund owner Newcastle owns 80 percent of Newcastle now also owns 75 percent shares of Al Ittihad, Al Ahli, Al Hilal, and Al Nassr

Source: https://sport.tempo.co

By the way, if I am not mistaken, I have reviewed this more than a month ago. I feel that many people still don't want to know that this scenario is a project of the Saudi kingdom and the PIF company. the aim of this project is not only to bring the Saudi League on a par with other top European Leagues. but also to increase Saudi Arabia's popularity in sports, and aim to host the 2030 world cup later.

On the other hand, PIF has a mission to make Saudi Arabia a center for economic transformation by 2030. this ambition is realized through the mission of actively investing long-term capital to obtain re-financed as sustainable. besides that, continuing from PIF's mission, it also has the goal of becoming a global investment partner and empowering economic development and diversification for the Saudi Arabian kingdom's economy.
The first step they took was successful, in fact the Saudi League became a hot topic in the eyes of the world. in fact, this move is different from what china is doing with its super league. their goal is clear, not only for football, but to open doors for all business sectors starting from football. that is why, several clubs do not hesitate to bring in top European players even with fantastic salaries.

I didn't know about the PIF company too, but how can we be sure that PIF is the only mission for Saudi Arabia, I mean they are investing too much money during this time, and especially in the season Saudi Arabia bought many expensive players. But they are doing it to make long-term investments.
I think Saudi Arabia is trying to make some other income other than oil, which is all they have right now.
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July 25, 2023, 02:16:33 PM
A lot has been said about PIF and I have just tried to find details about PIF. PIF is a consortium of investors chaired by Mohammed bin Salman Al-Saud who is the Prince of Saudi Arabia and Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It turns out that PIF manages and invests in Saudi Arabia. They are very rapidly developed.  Currently, PIF is one of the largest public investment institutions in the world with an estimated asset value of 620 billion USD or 514 billion pounds. Currently PIF Public Investment Fund owner Newcastle owns 80 percent of Newcastle now also owns 75 percent shares of Al Ittihad, Al Ahli, Al Hilal, and Al Nassr

Source: https://sport.tempo.co

By the way, if I am not mistaken, I have reviewed this more than a month ago. I feel that many people still don't want to know that this scenario is a project of the Saudi kingdom and the PIF company. the aim of this project is not only to bring the Saudi League on a par with other top European Leagues. but also to increase Saudi Arabia's popularity in sports, and aim to host the 2030 world cup later.

On the other hand, PIF has a mission to make Saudi Arabia a center for economic transformation by 2030. this ambition is realized through the mission of actively investing long-term capital to obtain re-financed as sustainable. besides that, continuing from PIF's mission, it also has the goal of becoming a global investment partner and empowering economic development and diversification for the Saudi Arabian kingdom's economy.
The first step they took was successful, in fact the Saudi League became a hot topic in the eyes of the world. in fact, this move is different from what china is doing with its super league. their goal is clear, not only for football, but to open doors for all business sectors starting from football. that is why, several clubs do not hesitate to bring in top European players even with fantastic salaries.
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A lot has been said about PIF and I have just tried to find details about PIF. PIF is a consortium of investors chaired by Mohammed bin Salman Al-Saud who is the Prince of Saudi Arabia and Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It turns out that PIF manages and invests in Saudi Arabia. They are very rapidly developed.  Currently, PIF is one of the largest public investment institutions in the world with an estimated asset value of 620 billion USD or 514 billion pounds. Currently PIF Public Investment Fund owner Newcastle owns 80 percent of Newcastle now also owns 75 percent shares of Al Ittihad, Al Ahli, Al Hilal, and Al Nassr

Source: https://sport.tempo.co
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July 25, 2023, 01:14:42 PM
Do you think Real Madrid will bid higher than 300 million? I don't believe Madrid can do it obviously they would choose another player as an alternative even Real Madrid can bring in 3 great players at once  Cheesy  If this news is true then Al hilal will get Mbappe because there will be no other club willing to bid higher, unless rumors of Madrid and Mbappe having reached a personal agreement then there is no other option for any club. I personally believe that Madrid have secured Mbappe through clandestine talks that's why they didn't react anything to Mbappe's news, including the high bid submitted by Al hilal.
They won't, but they still have the final say in this transfer. Now you might consider the parties involved are PSG-AL-HILAL-MBAPPE these are the ones who are involved in this and how could Real make or break this deal. I will tell you how, if Real tells Mbappe that they won't sign him if he goes to Al-Hilal, then Mbappe won't go there, why should they, Mbappe is a great player and he should be quite happily go there next season and they will have a magnificent striker right?

Well football is not like that, Real cares about the character of a player a lot and if they see Mbappe just chasing glory and money, they will not want to sign him, not because he is bad, he is great, but because he would be trouble for the team.
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July 25, 2023, 12:14:27 PM
After some time ago Sadio Mane was linked with Al-Nassr, now the player's agent traveled to Japan to meet with Al-Nassr who is currently also on a series of pre-season tours there. Even Sadio Mane has given the green light for the two parties to start negotiating. I think this is a sign that Sadio Mane is very prepared to be in the saudi league and maybe his situation at Bayern Munich makes him even more uncomfortable to stay. Let's wait for the next update and hope to find a bright spot soon to make this transfer easier.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683786765771984909

After all, if we look at Mane's life, Mane is also a Muslim and that means, Mane will never refuse to play in the Saudi Professional League. Moreover, if Mane plays at Al Nassr then of course Mane will also still receive a high salary. So, it does not become something strange if Mane is ready to leave despite the fact, Mane also still has a long contract at Bayern Munich and it seems that this factor is also not a barrier for Mane to leave and play in Saudi.
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July 25, 2023, 11:49:45 AM
An attitude that must be taken if you are not guaranteed to play as a starter for the main squad. Tuchel is also unlikely to give Saido Mane additional playing minutes if his performance is not to his liking, the SPL will be a good port for him.
Playing alongside Ronaldo and enjoying a big salary while relaxing is also an achievement, football is not all about trophies.
Which glory has been spent when he was at Liverpool now at Bayern Munich does not match the expectations of the club so the minutes will not be given long, Tuchel already has a look at the squad for the new season but what is more tantalizing is a sizable offer for Bayern Munich there is news that there is 40 million for Al Nassr who is ready to redeem it of course this is the advantage of selling Mane.

He should enjoy his career for now even though the age of 31 is still quite ideal in Europe, but the Saudi league is more promising than all that is offered because European players who come there will be like kings who are much flattered. Grin
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July 25, 2023, 11:25:08 AM
After some time ago Sadio Mane was linked with Al-Nassr, now the player's agent traveled to Japan to meet with Al-Nassr who is currently also on a series of pre-season tours there. Even Sadio Mane has given the green light for the two parties to start negotiating. I think this is a sign that Sadio Mane is very prepared to be in the saudi league and maybe his situation at Bayern Munich makes him even more uncomfortable to stay. Let's wait for the next update and hope to find a bright spot soon to make this transfer easier.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683786765771984909
An attitude that must be taken if you are not guaranteed to play as a starter for the main squad. Tuchel is also unlikely to give Saido Mane additional playing minutes if his performance is not to his liking, the SPL will be a good port for him.
Playing alongside Ronaldo and enjoying a big salary while relaxing is also an achievement, football is not all about trophies.
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July 25, 2023, 11:07:23 AM
Real Madrid will not try to match Saudi, they will be patient and wait for the right time to bring Mbappe to the club he has always wanted to play in. Mbappe will only play in Saudi if they will let him move freely after the one-year contract expires.
It looks like Mbappe doesn't want to continue his career in Saudi Arabia so it doesn't really matter what offers he gets if he wants to continue his career in a European team, preferably Real Madrid.  Smiley

It is a good decision from Sadio Mane and his agent. There is no need staying in a club that you feel that they do not need you. Moving to Saudi is a good plan, there is a huge financial benefit for him as the successful player that he is.
Yes, it seems that this transfer can take place, Bayern is ready to sell the striker, because they do not count on him next season, and Mane also does not mind moving to a new club, I think the amount of the contract suits him quite well. Mane refused to talk to reporters, so the player himself did not comment on this news.
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July 25, 2023, 10:35:12 AM
After some time ago Sadio Mane was linked with Al-Nassr, now the player's agent traveled to Japan to meet with Al-Nassr who is currently also on a series of pre-season tours there. Even Sadio Mane has given the green light for the two parties to start negotiating. I think this is a sign that Sadio Mane is very prepared to be in the saudi league and maybe his situation at Bayern Munich makes him even more uncomfortable to stay. Let's wait for the next update and hope to find a bright spot soon to make this transfer easier.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683786765771984909
The coach of Bayern Munich Thomas Tuchel has made it clear that Mane will not get an automatic first-team shirt because his performance last season was not encouraging. He managed to score 12 goals because he was challenged by injuries and unhealthy behavior. So he has to fight for a place in the team with Kingsley Coman and Serge Gnabry and these two players are in top forms. He was determined to fight for a place in the team but with Bayern gunning for Harry Kane, Mane may have seen that he has no future in Bayern.
 
Bayern is willing to offload him, hence the news of his agent meeting the representatives of Al-Nassr is not a surprise. At 31 he is still fast and strong, which means he can still play top-flight football in other clubs in Europe. But the financial benefit and the number of top players that have moved to the Saudi Professional League might motivate him to leave.
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July 25, 2023, 09:41:28 AM
Where do the Saudi get the money that they offer these players because it is so much and very tempting for any player to reject.

@BRINIRHA I believe that PSG are playing their cards very well here because they know that he won’t go to Saudi and by accepting the bid they’re forcing Real Madrid to make an offer and no Real Madrid
Real Madrid will not try to match Saudi, they will be patient and wait for the right time to bring Mbappe to the club he has always wanted to play in. Mbappe will only play in Saudi if they will let him move freely after the one-year contract expires.

After some time ago Sadio Mane was linked with Al-Nassr, now the player's agent traveled to Japan to meet with Al-Nassr who is currently also on a series of pre-season tours there. Even Sadio Mane has given the green light for the two parties to start negotiating. I think this is a sign that Sadio Mane is very prepared to be in the saudi league and maybe his situation at Bayern Munich makes him even more uncomfortable to stay. Let's wait for the next update and hope to find a bright spot soon to make this transfer easier.
It is a good decision from Sadio Mane and his agent. There is no need staying in a club that you feel that they do not need you. Moving to Saudi is a good plan, there is a huge financial benefit for him as the successful player that he is.
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July 25, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
Well, I would prefer a career if I was young like Mbappe. And I think everyone who plays football as a hobby, of course he will definitely prioritize his career. because the dream of every soccer player is to reach the peak of his career and be crowned one of the legends in the world of football. and I think Mbappe should also put his career first. Because if he plays for money then I think PSG will be able to increase Mbappe's salary as long as Mbappe wants to stay at PSG and extend his contract. But in reality Mbappe chose not to renew his contract at PSG and this frustrated PSG because they had used various methods to keep Mbappe longer but to no avail. So PSG decided to release Mbappe this season before his contract ends next season.

And I think that young Mbappe will certainly not be interested in playing in the Arab league. Of course he wants to reach the peak of his career in Europe. But it would be very surprising if Mbappe chose to play in the Arab League.

@BRINIRHA I believe that PSG are playing their cards very well here because they know that he won’t go to Saudi and by accepting the bid they’re forcing Real Madrid to make an offer and no Real Madrid won’t match what Saudi clubs are paying but it’ll yet be a decent offer and in the end PSG will accept it. Lastly if he chooses Saudi then it’ll set a terrible precedent because many young player’s will follow in his footsteps and the big clubs will lose out on quality player’s hence I’m praying  that he rejects this offer.
Maybe you are right about what PSG are playing at the moment. But I still feel worried if Mbappe is really interested in accepting an offer from Al-Hilal which is indeed very high, even exceeding the transfer price paid by PSG when signing Mbappe.

PSG will clearly benefit if Mbappe accepts an offer from the Arab club. Even the latest news says that PSG gave Mbappe permission to talk to Al-Hilal. Because after all, the decision is really in Mbappe's hands. An offer of £259 million by Al-Hilal for Mbappe would really be quite the news. And I have the same hope as you. I hope Mbappe prefers career over money.
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July 25, 2023, 09:21:20 AM
The 300 million are only half of the story or even less than half. Let's assume for a moment that Real Madrid offers 330 million and 40 million in salary, I think the issue is still there because for Mbappe the transfer fee is irrelevant. he has to make a decision whether he wants to become a billionaire within a single year (if you add on top what he already has) or whether he wants to go to Real Madrid for a tiny cut of what Al-Hilal is offering. I am only doing the calculations here, it is not that I think 40 million or 50 million wouldn't be much or enough, but it is a tiny cut of what Al-Hilal offers him and I think if he plays in Saudi Arabia, the salary is net after tax. In Spain any salary he gets will have to be taxed.

The problem is we don't know what Mbappe wants yet is he really chasing money? if yes then Al Hilal is the solution but what if he pursues a career? obviously Real Madrid is the solution, in general all top players will pursue career first then money therefore I doubt if Mbappe will choose Al Hilal. I'm not a Mbappe fan so it doesn't matter to me wherever he plays it's just that I'm interested in following this drama, I wonder if talented young players prefer money over career. If he was me then I would choose a career then at the end of the career I would make money  Grin
Well, I would prefer a career if I was young like Mbappe. And I think everyone who plays football as a hobby, of course he will definitely prioritize his career. because the dream of every soccer player is to reach the peak of his career and be crowned one of the legends in the world of football. and I think Mbappe should also put his career first. Because if he plays for money then I think PSG will be able to increase Mbappe's salary as long as Mbappe wants to stay at PSG and extend his contract. But in reality Mbappe chose not to renew his contract at PSG and this frustrated PSG because they had used various methods to keep Mbappe longer but to no avail. So PSG decided to release Mbappe this season before his contract ends next season.

And I think that young Mbappe will certainly not be interested in playing in the Arab league. Of course he wants to reach the peak of his career in Europe. But it would be very surprising if Mbappe chose to play in the Arab League.

@BRINIRHA I believe that PSG are playing their cards very well here because they know that he won’t go to Saudi and by accepting the bid they’re forcing Real Madrid to make an offer and no Real Madrid won’t match what Saudi clubs are paying but it’ll yet be a decent offer and in the end PSG will accept it. Lastly if he chooses Saudi then it’ll set a terrible precedent because many young player’s will follow in his footsteps and the big clubs will lose out on quality player’s hence I’m praying  that he rejects this offer.
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