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Topic: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper - page 55. (Read 25881 times)

legendary
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SNIP

I don't think this was mentioned during the trial and that might be on purpose. Ira Kleiman has no interest in debunking Dave's involvement with Craig since that might raise questions if Dave/Ira was/is entitled to 50% of Craig's BTC holdings.

Full transcript of the August 26th hearing: https://wizsec.jp/20190826_kleiman_wright.pdf
Great summary of the hearing: https://blog.wizsec.jp/2019/08/kleiman-v-wright-part-5.html
legendary
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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
Doesn't one have to prove something exists and the person who wins the settlement has been deprived of it to be able to award something?
Only if that fact is actually disputed by one side or the other. Protip: if you're being sued for vast sums of money you don't have, you should probably admit that you don't have the money at some point during the trial. Otherwise you may find yourself having to do so at the bankruptcy hearing which is no doubt in your future. Grin
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legendary
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Thread-puller extraordinaire
Ok, I've a question for anybody in this thread who might have come across a suitable answer on the topic during this court process. I'm not claiming to be the first person to spot this (I think that kudos goes to this Redditor from 3 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4htw3t/how_to_steal_54_millions_of_dollar_from_the/ )

Dave Kleiman is listed in the UK's Companies House database as having been an officer of one of CSW's UK companes, namely, C01N LTD, (Originally called 'Design By Human Ltd' at incorporation in 2012, then changed to 'Moving Forward In Business Ltd in October 2013, before finally being renamed again, as 'C01N LTD' on January 2014)



We can see he is listed as having been appointed shortly after it's incorporation (when it was called 'Design By Human Ltd') and resigned as at the date of his death in April 2013



But, here's the thing, Dave Kleiman was appointed, and subsequently resigned, long after his death using back-dated dates of appointment and resignation documents filed in April 2014








Now, while filing back-dated appointment/resignation forms isn't that out of the ordinary, it is particularly questionable if it involves the deceased. Without there being supporting legal documentation proving that the deceased had previously accepted their appointment as an officer of a company, it runs the risk of looking like a fraudulent filing.

The issue here is:



Is there evidence that Dave Kleiman actually consented to act as director of this company back when it was still called 'Design By Human Ltd'? Evidence outside of the usual sloppy forgeries Faketoshi furnishes courtrooms with, of course.


legendary
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Welt Am Draht

Doesn't one have to prove something exists and the person who wins the settlement has been deprived of it to be able to award something? I know costs will be which may well be substantial enough.

I haven't given much thought to the motivation for bringing the case. Perhaps it's all been purely speculative and he was hoping that Wright would actually turn out to have something to cough up. I can't believe anyone ever believed he did though.
legendary
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So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

Presumably you're a performance artist. Let me know when your project launches. I'll look forward to wine and nibblies.

Fun to read the BSV justifications this morning. One of the main ones is because it's now 'legal' that Craig is unquestionably Satoshi the Kleimans will get half a million coins that don't exist and destroy everything.

It seems to slip their mind he'll also get half a million non existent BSVs and since most BSVs haven't been claimed that's going to annihilate it in a non existent matter.

This reminds me of when r/btc latched on to the idea of Tether's takedown 'destroying' BTC and obsessed over it for months while stroking their genitals. They were too fucking dim or lazy to realise that just might have an effect on their Bcashes too.

Ira will not get the keys for the bitcoins, he will only receive the bitcoins, so all BSV and BCH will remain whis Craig
legendary
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I see you weren't very cautious when reading, so I will put it for you again:

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And again, shouldn’t that include the BTC, BCH, and BSV and every other fork of Bitcoin? All of those had to replicate the original blockchain starting from zero.

According to the judge it’s only from before Dave died, so only BTC. Sorry BTC.

It would appear this assertion is incorrect:



https://edoc.pub/kleiman-lawsuit-amended-complaint-pdf-free.html
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Why would he go to such lengths of creating contrived measures in order to verify his history rather than going to the simple route? Why act in such a way that makes it seem like he's lying countless times, even going to the lengths of trying to sue others, even going to the lengths of fabricating evidence?
Either he's trying to do some long-winded swindle which is lost on anyone who isn't a diehard CSW fan... or we can apply Occam's razor and pragmatically assume that he is, in fact, not satoshi.

This: https://www.healthline.com/health/pathological-liar#what-is-it.
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Why would he go to such lengths of creating contrived measures in order to verify his history rather than going to the simple route? Why act in such a way that makes it seem like he's lying countless times, even going to the lengths of trying to sue others, even going to the lengths of fabricating evidence?
Either he's trying to do some long-winded swindle which is lost on anyone who isn't a diehard CSW fan... or we can apply Occam's razor and pragmatically assume that he is, in fact, not satoshi.
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And if you want some genuinely pitiful reading then here is a fountain of deadheaded thinking - https://old.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/

I for one refuse to pollute my mind with such execrable stupidity but others might.

You refuse but still make a point regarding inheritance of BCH and BSV by Ira Kleiman, implying that this will crush the market even worse. A wrong point, in contradiction with the US Federal Judge of Florida.

Execrable stupidity you say? I agree, really mate.

These 1M or 800K+ (depending on the day Wright lies) don't exist. There is evidence the BS Tulip Trust was purchased as an empty shell in 2014.
legendary
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You refuse but still make a point regarding inheritance of BCH and BSV by Ira Kleiman, implying that this will crush the market even worse. A wrong point, in contradiction with the US Federal Judge of Florida.

We still don't know if the trust ever existed to begin with, so likely Wright won't be giving Kleiman any bitcoins. What Wright will have to fork over is the expenses of Kleiman's legal fees, which could very well come from the selling of his BSV holdings.

I just noticed in a trust feedback you left for gmaxwell today you stated the following:
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So now, for the first time in history we have confirmation by a US Federal Court of the fact that CSW is at least 50% of Satoshi Nakamoto.

This is wholly untrue. The judge refused to rule on whether or not Wright was Nakamoto -- 10%, 50% or 100%. The only people in the court room who said Wright was Satoshi were the attorneys.
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And if you want some genuinely pitiful reading then here is a fountain of deadheaded thinking - https://old.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/

I for one refuse to pollute my mind with such execrable stupidity but others might.

You refuse but still make a point regarding inheritance of BCH and BSV by Ira Kleiman, implying that this will crush the market even worse. A wrong point, in contradiction with the US Federal Judge of Florida.

Execrable stupidity you say? I agree, really mate.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
And if you want some genuinely pitiful reading then here is a fountain of deadheaded thinking - https://old.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/

I for one refuse to pollute my mind with such execrable stupidity but others might.
full member
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So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

Presumably you're a performance artist. Let me know when your project launches. I'll look forward to wine and nibblies.

Fun to read the BSV justifications this morning. One of the main ones is because it's now 'legal' that Craig is unquestionably Satoshi the Kleimans will get half a million coins that don't exist and destroy everything.

It seems to slip their mind he'll also get half a million non existent BSVs and since most BSVs haven't been claimed that's going to annihilate it in a non existent matter.

This reminds me of when r/btc latched on to the idea of Tether's takedown 'destroying' BTC and obsessed over it for months while stroking their genitals. They were too fucking dim or lazy to realise that just might have an effect on their Bcashes too.

I see you weren't very cautious when reading, so I will put it for you again:

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And again, shouldn’t that include the BTC, BCH, and BSV and every other fork of Bitcoin? All of those had to replicate the original blockchain starting from zero.

According to the judge it’s only from before Dave died, so only BTC. Sorry BTC.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 3056
Welt Am Draht
So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

Presumably you're a performance artist. Let me know when your project launches. I'll look forward to wine and nibblies.

Fun to read the BSV justifications this morning. One of the main ones is because it's now 'legal' that Craig is unquestionably Satoshi the Kleimans will get half a million coins that don't exist and destroy everything.

It seems to slip their mind he'll also get half a million non existent BSVs and since most BSVs haven't been claimed that's going to annihilate it in a non existent matter.

This reminds me of when r/btc latched on to the idea of Tether's takedown 'destroying' BTC and obsessed over it for months while stroking their genitals. They were too fucking dim or lazy to realise that just might have an effect on their Bcashes too.
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Sold the sald BTC I held.

Lets now watch the market, market makes no mistakes in the long run.
hv_
legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
No judge can be always 100% w right

But CSW seems to be nearly 100% the founder of BitCoin

So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

https://modernconsensus.com/cryptocurrencies/bitcoin/exclusive-interview-with-craig-wright-just-after-ordered-to-pay-5-billion-in-bitcoin/



You're so blinded by your cult of Craig that's it's comical.

Nope. No cult.

Just able to raise brain / block sizes . No coreans could
full member
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No judge can be always 100% w right

But CSW seems to be nearly 100% the founder of BitCoin

So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

https://modernconsensus.com/cryptocurrencies/bitcoin/exclusive-interview-with-craig-wright-just-after-ordered-to-pay-5-billion-in-bitcoin/



You're so blinded by your cult of Craig that's it's comical.
hv_
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1055
Clean Code and Scale
No judge can be always 100% w right

But CSW seems to be nearly 100% the founder of BitCoin

So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

https://modernconsensus.com/cryptocurrencies/bitcoin/exclusive-interview-with-craig-wright-just-after-ordered-to-pay-5-billion-in-bitcoin/

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