Topic: [SCAM] Is payonix.com a legitimate AISC H/w manufacturer in Australia? - page 10. (Read 25036 times)

For now, let's give Payonix a break!

We can bark all we want but that's not going to change anything.  If he was the scammer, he would be gone wrong time ago and came back with a new website, new phone number and new username.  This company is still using the same and staying here with the same username even people accused them of a possible scam.

When they are ready, they will release the info.  Like the store in USA, "No Shirt, No Service."  This company is going for "No Photo" policy for now, so let's respect that.  

This forum is not to bash new business or new members but to further everyone's well-being by sharing information!  So let's use our energy to something more positive!  (We could be making small profits by trading BTC's up/down)

As I already corrected above (before you replied), I meant Robert, the guy who own 100% of payonix, should get a phone and use that to take pictures and videos of the miner that's been mining for almost a week now.

Again more beating around the bush and delay tactics. Don't worry mate. I already expected that you won't have any stats tonight. Or ever.

All you have are a lot of words, a blurry pic of a computer (with pci slots, ram slots, non-water cooling setup, SSD with sata cables) and promises to show
Eligius stats, office visits and everything else in between. And then nothing else. Absolutely nothing else. Nothing technical at all. Not even a photo of PCB or office or staff or even your face. It's not impossible to prove that you have a miner. It's actually quite easy if you know what the hell you're doing.

Your photos are even more shitty. Did you use a potato to take those shots? And then went ahead, added blur filter and resized it down so we can't see shit?
I didn't even knew that photos came in those sizes. Do you have the original sizes?

"Would you like to come for an appointment to see and test the units and report your feedback?"

No because I'll most likely get jumped and silenced.

We will provide stats through Eligius and post the link once we connect it. We are off for the night. Support will be online until 9pm AEST tonight.

We do not know that person. How can we defend ourselves to that? Impossible. All we can do is take it I guess.

We are still at 55 Cavill Ave. We are waiting for the office to be fitted at Bundall location (Cnr Bundall Rd and Slatyer Ave - the big blue ANZ tower). Would you like to come for an appointment to see and test the units and report your feedback? If so, PM or call and we can get you in ASAP.

If you have hardware that you were going to demo last week, but got last weekend and it is working, why is there no conclusive proof of it?

The brutality comes from the fact that the hardware you say was already hashing fine and have now sold something of the order of $1mill dollars worth in pre-orders, you are still unable to produce a reasonable picture of it or any details of it mining.
Go down to Vodafone, sign up for a $30 a month plan, and they will give you an android phone that can take good quality pictures and videos.
I can afford one of these for my daughter and I certianly do not have $1mil in preorders (my phone is more expensive, it costs me $60 a month )

The closest Vodafone shop to Robert's house is here:
https://plus.google.com/100823436843011950100/about?gl=au&hl=en

By the way, did David go to Central Queensland University?

cgminer is written by ckolivas above and myself.
We know what information it will produce and how to get information out of it.
You have claimed that our miner works with your hardware - so if that claim is true, there is absolutely no reason to not provide the cgminer mining information in screen shots, API access, miner.php access etc.
Hell I can tell you exactly how to get information out of the cgminer API as pretty much anyone who knows what they are doing mining with cgminer (I wrote the API )

So at this point, no I'm not really that interested in flying to Queensland and visiting half my family, I am wondering why you have already stated you have working hardware, that uses cgminer, and have nothing to show for it.

Edit: put a wrong name above - fixed.

Looking forward to it.

Great idea. We will do this and post stats link for people to see and verify.

Mate you keep telling us that and we keep asking, "What's your address?" You said you moved so where is it now?

I would say, for now, let's stop calling them SCAM.  Every business has their plan and model.  Also, if the investors are involved, the restrictions can be even tougher within.  

Since the initial sales are done, lets shit back and wait and see.  Enough people call them scam, so if they are, enough warning were posted on the forum.

When Payonix is ready to release more photos or additional info, they will do so.  No one can force them to give up their business secret or whatever the reasons they decide to keep it secret for now.

There were a few ASIC companies in USA this year alone didn't release much info but they do exist and in the process of getting the miners.  (some may went belly up or caused lots of pain to many but let's watch, what info they will release in the near future!)

Food for the Thought:  Competitors are stealing each other's secret to advance.  Competitions are getting harder.  If they are working on the new technologies, it they may have the VALID REASONS to keep thing secret to succeed before things are stolen from them.

Also, if I have the machine hashing out 1.5TH/S right now I don't want people to know where it is... 

CEO/CTO may had a good intentions but chip delays from China seem to be the big problem for everyone including the Chinese Companies.

Connect your miner to Eligius. Post the stats link HERE in this thread.

Also change the eligius nickname to Payonix and sign it.

At least that might give you a little credibility. You claim to have 1.5TH/s working there all weekend?

Now's the time to prove that.

Please come visit us. You will meet myself, the team and see our demos. We are not a scam, have a real product and the world will see soon enough.

You guys here are quite brutal here. We removed the blog entry as it didn't look right. It will be back up. We cannot seem to win here.

Must be ASIC 3.0. Even has PCI-slots now. Makes for easier upgrade installation to get em extra gigahashes.

And fucking lolz at the latest blog update. So they deleted their earlier post and posted a new one.

"Issues with Blog Module & Pictures". LOL

What is your address for your new office location?

You seem to be updating the website a lot yet the address listed on the website is still the old one. You claimed to have already moved to Bundall so what's the address for it?

By the way, I was "ken" the other day who contacted you and acting as a supposedly interested buyer. Mate. You're so full of shit.

Get this. The miner has a usb and needs a laptop/pc in-order to use it. Miner also has a ethernet port. And a raspberry pi inside.

Tell me if that makes any sense.

This is not us. That person does NOT work for our company. If you receive contact from that person purporting to be a representative of our company, please contact us immediately. If you have questions please call us or come visit us.

Where's the picture on the blog? There's nothing.

https://payonix.com/index.php?route=pavblog/blog&id=33

Also looked at the HTML source code. There's no hidden pictures anywhere.

And wat the f is this? Just a picture only (actually no picture)? Where's the stats, videos, PCB layout, chips and all?

I mean any doofus could buy a Lian Li case and put some water cooling in there with a raspberry PI hanging out the side.


The A seems to stand for Adam. How would I know? Seems like he is a known scam/con artist and has been around for quite a bit.

My google-fu shows that he's been into e-gold and the likes since 2005. He's also scammed a few people in the process.

Here's some alarming finds.


http://odigger.com/topic/be-aware-these-ad-networks-ubudigital-and-adcolt/








https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/ubudigital-cpm-network-review.2113739/page-43

So looking at the adcolt.com whois. shows that it's using POWWEB.COM as their host. Guess who else uses POWWEB.COM as their host? You got it. Payonix. What a coincidence!! Now how the hell did I find that out? Well the other day when he was doing maint, I saw it load up for one second also with the powweb ssl cert. Well it seems like now he's migrated servers from powweb to some other. I think vpscheap.net - and now has his own dedicated IP. Trying to cover his tracks I guess.

So who is Robert Nettlefold? Most likely his brother or father. Stole documents off them so he can register up his own business/domain. But there's also a chance it's a non existent person since he is a master of forgery.

Managed to find out where the real Andrew Thomas lives. And he's not Andrew Thomas by the way. He's Adam Nettlefold.

Adam Nettlefold ([email protected])
20 Campelles Ave, Varsity Lakes, Queensland, Australia

Coincidence that the real anettlefold lives only 15mins from Bundall (their supposedly new office location)? I think not!

FAAAAAKE!

We are working on fixing the image. We will pull it down.

Well, allegedly this is all Australian so you won't mind if I speak like a fellow Australian.

That blurry photo of some regular Lian Li PC case is the most fucked up the arse excuse for a first look at hardware I've ever seen. My kids take better pics with their toy cameras and I'm now less convinced than ever.