Topic: [SCAM] Is payonix.com a legitimate AISC H/w manufacturer in Australia? - page 5. (Read 25036 times)
November 24, 2013, 08:55:18 PM
November 24, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
Payonix is a scam, and I believe there are two people operating it.
That is, we have encountered two different people so far based on their proficiency at written English.
That is, we have encountered two different people so far based on their proficiency at written English.
November 24, 2013, 08:08:23 PM
The real question is if its a different person then how come he got our details? how come that person knows that we are registered with payonix or we are looking for asic miners
Anyway we will know that payonix are real or not in the coming Wednesday.
There could be two people operating Payonix.Anyway we will know that payonix are real or not in the coming Wednesday.
November 24, 2013, 07:57:42 PM
The real question is if its a different person then how come he got our details? how come that person knows that we are registered with payonix or we are looking for asic miners
Anyway we will know that payonix are real or not in the coming Wednesday.
There could be two people operating Payonix. Anyway we will know that payonix are real or not in the coming Wednesday.
November 24, 2013, 07:52:55 PM
The real question is if its a different person then how come he got our details? how come that person knows that we are registered with payonix or we are looking for asic miners
Anyway we will know that payonix are real or not in the coming Wednesday.
Anyway we will know that payonix are real or not in the coming Wednesday.
November 24, 2013, 07:31:38 PM
I received exactly the same two emails from Payonix. They are not written by a native English speaker. I believe this is a different person posing as "Andrew Thomas". The previous person posing as "Andrew Thomas" had perfect English.
Note: the emails are signed as "Andrew" with no surname specified, so I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that this is "Andrew Thomas". Perhaps they forgot that they were meant to pose as "Justin"?
Or perhaps Payonix has two people called Andrew.
The images posing as Payonix hardware are actually:
1) 250 GH/s unit - this is a KnCMiner case with four KnCMiner ASICs shoddily "photoshopped" on. They are facing the wrong direction, and two of them even overlap the front face of the case!
2) 1 TH/s unit - this is a Butterfly Labs 500 GH/s "mini-rig". Payonix haven't even bothered to remove the Butterfly labs logo on the front.
3) To the right of the mini-rig - is that an Avalon? I have no idea why this image is there, as it has no description.
4) 1 Th/s unit "testing status OK" - a Butterfly Labs mini-rig with the case off. I'm not sure if this is the earlier FPGA mini-rig or the later ASIC.
Note: the emails are signed as "Andrew" with no surname specified, so I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that this is "Andrew Thomas". Perhaps they forgot that they were meant to pose as "Justin"?
Some information about myself (Andrew), Justin and the team.
Me (Andrew): I have been in the Data Mining and Cryptography industry since leaving University. Previously worked with Datamonitor and DataSystems over an 8 year period. My core skills include cryptography, programming, hardware design, and diagnostics.
Justin: Started mining and buying (hoarding) Bitcoin in 2011. Was one of the fortunate few who saw a future in the tech. Justin studied Computer Science at Melbourne University and core skills include everything Bitcoin & Altcoin, Data Mining, Programming, and Hardware design.
Me (Andrew): I have been in the Data Mining and Cryptography industry since leaving University. Previously worked with Datamonitor and DataSystems over an 8 year period. My core skills include cryptography, programming, hardware design, and diagnostics.
Justin: Started mining and buying (hoarding) Bitcoin in 2011. Was one of the fortunate few who saw a future in the tech. Justin studied Computer Science at Melbourne University and core skills include everything Bitcoin & Altcoin, Data Mining, Programming, and Hardware design.
Or perhaps Payonix has two people called Andrew.
The images posing as Payonix hardware are actually:
1) 250 GH/s unit - this is a KnCMiner case with four KnCMiner ASICs shoddily "photoshopped" on. They are facing the wrong direction, and two of them even overlap the front face of the case!
2) 1 TH/s unit - this is a Butterfly Labs 500 GH/s "mini-rig". Payonix haven't even bothered to remove the Butterfly labs logo on the front.
3) To the right of the mini-rig - is that an Avalon? I have no idea why this image is there, as it has no description.
4) 1 Th/s unit "testing status OK" - a Butterfly Labs mini-rig with the case off. I'm not sure if this is the earlier FPGA mini-rig or the later ASIC.
November 24, 2013, 07:09:44 PM
Their explanation for those pics are their all accounts been hacked by someone. Anyway the next even date is
"We have moved the event to Wednesday 27th November 2013 @ 1pm AEST due to technical issues with our units. Read more of the update."
If they delay that then we can send this mob to the AFP.
"We have moved the event to Wednesday 27th November 2013 @ 1pm AEST due to technical issues with our units. Read more of the update."
If they delay that then we can send this mob to the AFP.
November 24, 2013, 06:54:12 PM
Those pics totally match the description of the unit in the blog and the poor pics that were briefly posted and removed.NOT.
And wasn't the chips supposed to be 250ghs each. So why would you post a pic of the 250gh unit with 4 chips.
I wonder what will be the excuse for this?
I'm sure they can't delay there demo unit as I got an email saying they have kept 2 units for themselves that they are mining with.
I'm sure they can post pics of the units if they have them in hand now instead of ripping them off the internet
And wasn't the chips supposed to be 250ghs each. So why would you post a pic of the 250gh unit with 4 chips.
I wonder what will be the excuse for this?
I'm sure they can't delay there demo unit as I got an email saying they have kept 2 units for themselves that they are mining with.
I'm sure they can post pics of the units if they have them in hand now instead of ripping them off the internet
November 24, 2013, 06:02:22 PM
Another mail, 1 minute ago, they with a link to the pictures, they should be so stupid to post a link with knc miners and butterflylabs as we can clearly see it written, something big going on here.
Hello dears Customers, we like to inform we have in hands 5 of each products for mining Bitcoin.
You can see all products on www.payonix.com and some images at: http://postimg.org/image/ssvl3m75l/
We have in stock 5 unit of each product so run fast, make and complete your order.
Your product order will complete and delivered withing 24-48 hours (1-2 business day).
Thanks
Andrew
https://payonix.com/
PS: Mails are coming from this address Payonix <[email protected]>
Its a disposable email address.
Hello dears Customers, we like to inform we have in hands 5 of each products for mining Bitcoin.
You can see all products on www.payonix.com and some images at: http://postimg.org/image/ssvl3m75l/
We have in stock 5 unit of each product so run fast, make and complete your order.
Your product order will complete and delivered withing 24-48 hours (1-2 business day).
Thanks
Andrew
https://payonix.com/
PS: Mails are coming from this address Payonix <[email protected]>
Its a disposable email address.
November 24, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
This has been send out from payonix in the morning, still no demo, 100% sure its a scam
Hello dears Customers, we like to inform we have in hands 5 of each products for mining Bitcoin.
You can see all products on www.payonix.com
We have in stock 5 unit of each product so run fast, make and complete your order.
Your product order will complete and delivered withing 24-48 hours (1-2 business day).
Thanks
Andrew
https://payonix.com/
Hello dears Customers, we like to inform we have in hands 5 of each products for mining Bitcoin.
You can see all products on www.payonix.com
We have in stock 5 unit of each product so run fast, make and complete your order.
Your product order will complete and delivered withing 24-48 hours (1-2 business day).
Thanks
Andrew
https://payonix.com/
November 24, 2013, 12:14:37 AM
100% a scam,
Queensland Australia has been a hub for scammers for many years and if it sounds to good to be true (and based in Queensland) then most probably a scam.
Queensland Australia has been a hub for scammers for many years and if it sounds to good to be true (and based in Queensland) then most probably a scam.
November 22, 2013, 06:59:59 PM
I got my refund during the week. Paid via Paypal, put in a paypal claim to get my money back. First email from paypal says they were unable to withdraw the funds from the sellers account and to contact Robert Nettlefold at [email protected] for a refund.
Got a follow up email from paypal to say they had successfully processed my claim and closed the call. This was a bit confusing, I spoke to paypal who said that although the seller's account didn't have sufficient funds for the refund, but they are a paypal verified seller paypal can forcibly retrieve funds (still not 100% sure how this works). Received an email from Andrew Thomas apologizing, explaining the difficulties they are having due to internet forum talk, and that my refund would be processed (Still adamant that their customers will be happy when they receive their miners). A few days later I had the refund in my account (not sure if the refund was Andrew Thomas issuing the refund, or paypal doing their thing).
Got a follow up email from paypal to say they had successfully processed my claim and closed the call. This was a bit confusing, I spoke to paypal who said that although the seller's account didn't have sufficient funds for the refund, but they are a paypal verified seller paypal can forcibly retrieve funds (still not 100% sure how this works). Received an email from Andrew Thomas apologizing, explaining the difficulties they are having due to internet forum talk, and that my refund would be processed (Still adamant that their customers will be happy when they receive their miners). A few days later I had the refund in my account (not sure if the refund was Andrew Thomas issuing the refund, or paypal doing their thing).
November 21, 2013, 03:40:07 AM
Hi Guys,
Firstly, just want to say thanks to the forum because after the delayed live streams I googled Payonix and this was the first result.
I pre-ordered a unit, it's my first dabble in bitcoin mining, obviously not a good starting experience into bitcoin, I've requested a refund, hoping to receive it, hoping there's a good chance because if they have no product and it's just some kind of bitcoin ponzi then at least they would have trippled our money for themselves, you'd think they'd be nice enough to pay back their investors and keep the 2 mill+ for themselves.
As MonsterCro said, it was good to find an Australian supplier which is why I went with them, looks like I'll have to go overseas.
After this experience but it's seriously tempting me to get my team together and try to build something myself, I've developed custom PCB's for embedded linux hardware/software before, we had a custom AVR32 board running embedded linux which we used in the gaming business, need to look into the current ASIC hardware architecture in more detail and have another 8 hours in the day but(already too much on my plate).
Thanks again guys for keeping bitcoin honest.
Cheers,
Smithy
Firstly, just want to say thanks to the forum because after the delayed live streams I googled Payonix and this was the first result.
I pre-ordered a unit, it's my first dabble in bitcoin mining, obviously not a good starting experience into bitcoin, I've requested a refund, hoping to receive it, hoping there's a good chance because if they have no product and it's just some kind of bitcoin ponzi then at least they would have trippled our money for themselves, you'd think they'd be nice enough to pay back their investors and keep the 2 mill+ for themselves.
As MonsterCro said, it was good to find an Australian supplier which is why I went with them, looks like I'll have to go overseas.
After this experience but it's seriously tempting me to get my team together and try to build something myself, I've developed custom PCB's for embedded linux hardware/software before, we had a custom AVR32 board running embedded linux which we used in the gaming business, need to look into the current ASIC hardware architecture in more detail and have another 8 hours in the day but(already too much on my plate).
Thanks again guys for keeping bitcoin honest.
Cheers,
Smithy
November 21, 2013, 02:13:34 AM
I really would like to know these guys are scam or not? any queenslanders went to have a look on there address? Anyone really got there money back? any info would be great as I am looking to order there onix 1Ths devices.
I have read all these threads but when i check the thread about Kncminers they are also started like these, given only a little to no information no right address etc, but at the end they do come up with the product.
I have read all these threads but when i check the thread about Kncminers they are also started like these, given only a little to no information no right address etc, but at the end they do come up with the product.
I was there on Monday as I was in area and tried to locate them at 55 Cavill Ave. But not there, no shop front or office went to all the business there and centre management also confirmed that they have no payonix business within 55 cavill ave. I also took pics of the area as well.
But I did get a refund for my order before I requested it.
It would be good if they were legit to be able equipment here without the astronomical delivery fees from overseas.
November 21, 2013, 01:09:18 AM
I really would like to know these guys are scam or not? any queenslanders went to have a look on there address? Anyone really got there money back? any info would be great as I am looking to order there onix 1Ths devices.
I have read all these threads but when i check the thread about Kncminers they are also started like these, given only a little to no information no right address etc, but at the end they do come up with the product.
I have read all these threads but when i check the thread about Kncminers they are also started like these, given only a little to no information no right address etc, but at the end they do come up with the product.
November 20, 2013, 07:21:23 PM
This is not us. That person does NOT work for our company. If you receive contact from that person purporting to be a representative of our company, please contact us immediately. If you have questions please call us or come visit us.
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You would think by now they would come clean a say yep you found us out and move on to try and avoid any legal actions.
November 20, 2013, 05:26:40 PM
My refund came through just today. So the good news is I'm now safely out.
November 20, 2013, 06:38:37 AM
Last Friday i received a refund by payonix through paypal, however the refund was pending up until today. At precisley 00.00, the refund failed and i received an email advising me to contact Robert Nettlefold.....4 minutes later i receive another refund through paypal by Robert Nettlfold, which clears and is completed immediately ....wtf 
glad to get my money back 
glad to get my money back November 19, 2013, 09:53:02 PM
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SERIOUSLY! IF ANYONE HAS MONEY WITH THEM CONTACT THE POLICE AND PRESS CHARGES OF FRAUD - THEY CAN BE CHARGED WITH FRAUD EVEN IF THEY RETURN YOUR MONEY
+1 Yeah it's called an "arbitrage fraud" where you promise something in order to get a free loan for currency speculation and then you refund the money after the currency rises and pocket the difference.
November 19, 2013, 08:35:29 AM
do they have a refund page or something ?
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