Topic: [SCAM PREVENTION]Remove self-moderation for topics within the marketplace! - page 2. (Read 20837 times)

True but it works quite opposite too. People may start trolling there too. You need to clean up the posts. Lots of people spam those sections too and self moderate thread helps to clean them.

bitcointalk helped facilitate fraud by allowing a scammer to prevent feedback from being posted to his thread. My bitcoin is gone now.

Self moderation should not be allowed for digital goods.

Scam thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/amazon-gift-cards-50-32-100-65-200-130-instant-delivery-5090315

Bump

Really it's need. I was also make a similar post about remove self moderation from Marketplace (Altcoins). I know self moderate prevent spam. But for this section need to or even scam. Due to self moderation true comment about project will be deleted. If we found some suspicious activity any ICO & we comment negetive about project than they will delete it. If negetive comment there and no self moderate than it might be help prevent people from scam. Scammer is more than important from spammer. So better if possible remove self moderate from Marketplace.

It was a necessary evil. People actually use self moderation legitimately.  Most sold accounts get hit with negative trust..so,  that would remove their ability to self moderate regardless of rank.

Why should they be exempt when those accounts are readily available to buy on here?

My only qualm with this suggestion is that it still limits the visibility of any evidence or accusations that this suggestion was originally meant to protect the visibility of. I really like the idea, for general-purposes, but in the context of "the lazy newbie that falls for these things" it would be rare that they read through the "deleted posts" section of a thread.

This certainly could be a nice alternative.  It might add a lot of clutter to some peoples posts though.

Perhaps another idea is for some sort of list of deleted posts at the bottom of self moderated threads so that if people want to read what has been deleted, they have the option.

There are many trolls and sale trashers on this forum, and thats why I use self-moderation (also I got an answer for moderation that I should do it, they dont have time for that).

I dont know why is that such an issue, you can always open Scam Dispute if you get scammed.

For bigger sums use escrow.

Hey mods, any chance of yous manning up and giving us a reply on why this is being ignored ?

Another bump.

Yes, but not as many.


Really ? any evidence of this ? I don't see this as a major problem on other sites that have a marketplace, why is this forum different ?

i think it is obvious that the devs want the most traffic to their website, and since we know that almost 50% of the topics are scam related !. you know their income will be reduced by HALF. they won't do that. i wouldn't if i was them to be honest.

but soon enough this place will be full of only scammers trying to scam one another.

Why would this user have 100% feedback on that website if he's scamming people with it constantly? Even if we removed this feature people who use autobuy links are still going to get scammed. I wouldn't be against removing the feature but there are a lot of trolls that just atatck other peoples sales threads that would benefit. I think a better compromise would be to disallow it from lower ranks because the chances of them using it for abuse are much higher.


I would disagree with this. People use new accounts because they have nothing to lose if the scam gets busted. Accounts may be "affordable" but not to throwaway every day after another busted scam. Most people wouldn't bother with these two bit scams if they had to actually invest money up front either. They do it because it costs nothing to make another throwaway account. Bump the thread every day and hope you catch some fish. If you don't then you've lost nothing but eventually someone might probably take the bait so it's worth doing. Use a bot to bump the thread and it needs no effort from them at all.

Ok, so if someone opens up a new account to solely purchase a gift card from jaac how would you "educate" them before the purchase ?

Yes prevention is better than a cure, that's why if you remove the sites scamming tools from scammers then they would be prevented from scamming people.

with all due respect, you do realize that newbies do not understand all this merit / trust/ ranking stuff? i am not just assuming i am talking from a newbie point of view.

kindly read my personal experience as a newbie here > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3369863.new#new

I know it must be hard for you to understand my point of you, I am a programmer and when i see code it looks as familiar as my native language i can spot a syntax error from miles away, when other people look at my code they do not see a thing different ! everything seems the same.

this is how an average newbie would see the Market place's topic. nothing but a bunch of people selling stuff. ranking , merit, trust are things that the average user may not even be aware of their existence !!

I honestly do not see an point of keeping locked/self moderated on the market - place. name me 1 pro and i will get you 10 cons on the other hand !

I am aware of the effort put to educate people on identifying scammers but this is like letting a bird fly just to catch it again when it's already in your hand!! really just have a lock at the top 20 topics as for now, and you as an experienced member will be able to tell that 90% of them are scams !.

the least thing that the admins can do for us "NOOBS" is to give us a sort of filtering function where we can hide all locked/self moderated topics.

cheers !



 

There is more and more being done each and every day. The admins are working very hard to combat the issues that are most prevalent around the forum. We've gotten the merit system, which did a heavy number on spammers having incentive to continue their obnoxious habits. That was probably priority number one, because it was making this forum a wasteland to navigate. I imagine that scamming isn't something they enjoy seeing around here, and there has been increasing limitations on lower-ranking accounts due to the abuse we've seen coming from them. Their ability to have clickable links in their signature, for example, was removed with the implementation of the merit system. So I am wondering if maybe we will see the removal of their ability to self-moderate with another simultaneous implementation of some kind.

So nothing has been done yet? guys look at the market place. there are more locked - topics which most are scam than real topics. this thing is getting frustrating!

Well, I'll have to disagree with you on that one. MiLkz proposal is a solid solution to this problem, but more realistically the best solution would be simple education/information that leads to prevention. "Prevention is better than a cure." Since informing these unfortunate souls seems to be nearly impossible, at least to any sufficient degree that would lead to prevention, we can assume that it is the most practical solution to this problem.

If the scammers were unable to profit from these methods then they would disappear, except for the adventurous newbie-scammer that would pop their head up and get a bright idea once in awhile. Although, it would soon fizzle out when they realize that their scam attempt is not sophisticated enough. For the same reason "hot local single, in your area." is such a joke now, is because people used to fall for it and now everyone knows the deal (you get a virus or stolen information/money).