As others have said, never buy direct without escrow from a self moderated thread that is locked all the time.
That's obvious for us, but he is preying on newbies who know no better and that's how he is scamming and that's how he is making money.
Topic: [SCAM PREVENTION]Remove self-moderation for topics within the marketplace! - page 5. (Read 20931 times)
February 25, 2018, 07:50:38 PM
From a scam report about the OP in my previous post
As others have said, never buy direct without escrow from a self moderated thread that is locked all the time.
That's obvious for us, but he is preying on newbies who know no better and that's how he is scamming and that's how he is making money.
As others have said, never buy direct without escrow from a self moderated thread that is locked all the time.
That's obvious for us, but he is preying on newbies who know no better and that's how he is scamming and that's how he is making money.
February 25, 2018, 07:48:02 PM
February 25, 2018, 10:37:35 AM
I sent a PM to theymos yesterday, hopefully he reads it 
Here is are 2 recent examples of scams by the same person that could have possibly been prevented:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/v1ljar-is-a-scammer-amazon-cards-and-all-kind-of-gift-cards-2973800
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/v1ljar-scammer-alert-3014635
Here is are 2 recent examples of scams by the same person that could have possibly been prevented:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/v1ljar-is-a-scammer-amazon-cards-and-all-kind-of-gift-cards-2973800
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/v1ljar-scammer-alert-3014635
February 18, 2018, 11:55:51 PM
I’m in. Self moderation and thread locking are scam tools. New accounts are almost always the main culprits. I saw one recent thread on the goods section selling phones:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/original-unlocked-apple-iphone-x-256gb-iphone-8-plus-and-iphone-8-128gb-2962934
I reported it but it’s still frustrating to see them get away with posting this drivel. The thread is untouchable, except by the section moderators.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/original-unlocked-apple-iphone-x-256gb-iphone-8-plus-and-iphone-8-128gb-2962934
I reported it but it’s still frustrating to see them get away with posting this drivel. The thread is untouchable, except by the section moderators.
February 18, 2018, 06:27:26 PM
I agree with this as well. Now that the merit system have been implemented, it would be really hard for scammers to do their evil deeds when partnered with this restriction for self moderated topic.
To think that they still need to make quality posts in order to reach the full member rank, is for sure will be a long and "boring" path for them. Some of them might give up on the run.
For the copper member, I guess it isn't bad to restrict it too for them.
To think that they still need to make quality posts in order to reach the full member rank, is for sure will be a long and "boring" path for them. Some of them might give up on the run.
For the copper member, I guess it isn't bad to restrict it too for them.
February 18, 2018, 12:00:44 AM
Great idea! The vast majorty, if not all, self moderated topics in the digital goods board are scams. Allowing self moderated topics is basically allowing scamming to continue.
February 17, 2018, 10:31:53 AM
Have you received any feedback yet from staff regarding this ? Would it be worth while messaging Admin to see if they would implement what you have proposed or is this thread just a waste of time ?
No feedback from staff yet and I imagine theymos gets flooded with a hundred PMs a day. This thread was posted here to hopefully catch their attention and gauge the communities interest/concerns with this suggested change...but yes, I will contact him soon..
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@ zikabra
It looks like you only read some of my post. I will copy and paste what I said here for you:
"ESCROW usage is, as always, key, and it is always up to the user to do their due diligence before entering any trade. This is just another step to make it more fool proof."
February 15, 2018, 03:09:30 PM
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1) More and more scammers are using self-moderation as a shield to prevent users from calling out any illicit activities.
Self-moderation topic should raise first red flag, whenever I see such topic my first thought is there is something wrong with this.Quote
3) Threads posted in the scam accusation section can go unseen by potential victims and new users.
Only if they don't do research. Bitcointalk isn't only source for information and people should not rely on only one source. Never.Quote
4) Newer users may be unaware of the trust system
Trust is hidden on several boards and it should be visible on every board. But before making deals people should click on user profile and they will see trust, if red color under trust doesn't mean anything there is nothing much you can do. Red color usually means alarm, stop, something is wrong. Quote
4)unregistered users do not see it at all.
It is not rocket science to create new account and it is not time consuming. February 15, 2018, 02:15:44 PM
I would be against self-moderation being a perk for copper. Copper is only ~$20 right now(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote), would be much too easy for the scammers to buy that compared to buying a whole account.
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Everyone seems too over concerned with merit for us to get any attention, haha
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Everyone seems too over concerned with merit for us to get any attention, haha
Have you received any feedback yet from staff regarding this ? Would it be worth while messaging Admin to see if they would implement what you have proposed or is this thread just a waste of time ?
February 14, 2018, 07:07:07 PM
I would be against self-moderation being a perk for copper. Copper is only ~$20 right now(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote), would be much too easy for the scammers to buy that compared to buying a whole account.
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Everyone seems too over concerned with merit for us to get any attention, haha
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Everyone seems too over concerned with merit for us to get any attention, haha
February 14, 2018, 09:02:01 AM
I wouldn't be against it being a perk of paid copper membership but I'd rather it just be earned over time with rank than just bought, because I think most newbies who come here wont want or need to self-mod anyway so some scammers will inevitably likely pay the fee to enable it (though most won't bother).
I had the same thought, but then I was thinking if something like copper-member exists at all then there might as well be some interesting perks to see how it is used and if it is still abused by the lower-ranking members who decide to buy it. I was thinking most newbies that come here won't want or need to embed pictures within their posts, and if they do it would most likely be extremely low-quality or even off-topic altogether. My point is that, this logic could be used to refute any of the perks that copper membership offers; they would probably all be better off being earned, rather than bought because of potential abuse. It would be interesting to see how it would play out, but obviously if it would do more harm than good, like making scams easier, then keep it restricted outside of Copper.
I honestly don't know if Self-moderation or Pictures by newbies (when it was available) gets abused/misused more often; Copper Membership and removal of this privilege for newbies has gone a long way towards thwarting the abuse and it might do the same for Self-moderation.
February 14, 2018, 08:13:28 AM
I would support this being restricted to higher level accounts as I agree it is massively abused by scammers. With that being said, users doing so are usually big red flags and immediately set off alarm bells.
They are big flags to everyone EXCEPT the vast majority who buy from them
which are 90% newbies who find the scammers via Google search who have no idea on how to read TRUST or more importantly "UNTRUSTED" TRUST which remains hidden. True, but most of them get tagged by people who see this behaviour, though I know from experience even this doesn't always stop idiots from sending them their money.
I think locking self-moderation behind copper membership for those below member is a reasonable solution
I had to go surf through about 10-pages of information about the copper membership to figure out if this would be a fair proposal. I've concluded that I have no problem with this, but I would've if the Copper Membership was cheap. It seems like the copper membership was about $40, which is a fair price to pay for something that gives you so many privileges. For example, if it was only $10 for copper membership it would seem too susceptible to abuse.
I wouldn't be against it being a perk of paid copper membership but I'd rather it just be earned over time with rank than just bought, because I think most newbies who come here wont want or need to self-mod anyway so some scammers will inevitably likely pay the fee to enable it (though most won't bother).
February 13, 2018, 08:50:59 PM
I think locking self-moderation behind copper membership for those below member is a reasonable solution
I had to go surf through about 10-pages of information about the copper membership to figure out if this would be a fair proposal. I've concluded that I have no problem with this, but I would've if the Copper Membership was cheap. It seems like the copper membership was about $40, which is a fair price to pay for something that gives you so many privileges. For example, if it was only $10 for copper membership it would seem too susceptible to abuse.
They are big flags to everyone EXCEPT the vast majority who buy from them which are 90% newbies who find the scammers via Google search who have no idea on how to read TRUST or more importantly "UNTRUSTED" TRUST which remains hidden.
which are 90% newbies who find the scammers via Google search who have no idea on how to read TRUST or more importantly "UNTRUSTED" TRUST which remains hidden. This would seem to be a good argument to remove self-moderation from those with negative trust from Default Trust members. I think that may be a good addition to this, because there are higher ranking members that abuse self-moderation and our DT users could handle them.
legendary
Activity: 1919
Merit: 1230
AKA Ms-overzealous-condecsending-explitive-account
February 13, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
I would support this being restricted to higher level accounts as I agree it is massively abused by scammers. With that being said, users doing so are usually big red flags and immediately set off alarm bells.
They are big flags to everyone EXCEPT the vast majority who buy from them
which are 90% newbies who find the scammers via Google search who have no idea on how to read TRUST or more importantly "UNTRUSTED" TRUST which remains hidden. February 13, 2018, 08:20:21 AM
Banning people from selling accounts would solve this, wouldn't it ? As soon as a thread is started selling accounts, it would be reported and Moderators can then delete it.
I'm not against banning the sale of accounts here but it wouldn't stop their sale elsewhere.
I 100% support the ban of sold accounts, however, I don't think staff wants to tackle the extra work or simply cannot because of the lack of man power.
What I am proposing in this thread should be easy to implement as long as the existing forum software can do it.
It's not that much extra work and is no different than staff trashing the threads of people trying to sell hacked web accounts or people selling merit etc. There's nothing to really dispute as people selling accounts is pretty cut and dry. The community doesn't really tolerate it anyway so I don't see the big controversy in just prohibiting people selling them here in the first place.
February 13, 2018, 01:05:46 AM
Thank you for making this post, you presented the main points much more clearly than I did. I think this is one of the issues with the forum that is actually fixable. Self-moderation is a privilege, not a right. Most forums I've been on don't even allow it as an option, and it is clearly being abused in the marketplace section. I think locking self-moderation behind copper membership for those below member is a reasonable solution, I seriously hope the administration will consider this.
February 12, 2018, 11:40:07 AM
Banning people from selling accounts would solve this, wouldn't it ? As soon as a thread is started selling accounts, it would be reported and Moderators can then delete it.
I'm not against banning the sale of accounts here but it wouldn't stop their sale elsewhere.
I 100% support the ban of sold accounts, however, I don't think staff wants to tackle the extra work or simply cannot because of the lack of man power.
What I am proposing in this thread should be easy to implement as long as the existing forum software can do it.
February 12, 2018, 03:11:07 AM
I would support this being restricted to higher level accounts as I agree it is massively abused by scammers. With that being said, users doing so are usually big red flags and immediately set off alarm bells.
These sorts of scammers likely won't buy an account for this because it's not really worth the risk. At the moment anyone can create a new account and try their luck and hope they get some victims. Many would-be scammers quickly get tagged as such but they just create a new account and try again because they have nothing to lose. If they had to buy a new Full Member account each time I doubt these two bit scammers would even bother.
How difficult it is to buy a Full Member account on the forum ?
Banning people from selling accounts would solve this, wouldn't it ? As soon as a thread is started selling accounts, it would be reported and Moderators can then delete it.
I'm not against banning the sale of accounts here but it wouldn't stop their sale elsewhere.
How difficult it is to buy a Full Member account on the forum ? The scammers would simply buy higher ranked accounts to start self-moderated threads..By the time user's trust becomes negative,he would have scammed a good amount of money to buy a new account..
I'm not saying this wouldn't work but scammers would find loopholes and keep doing what they intend to.
I'm not saying this wouldn't work but scammers would find loopholes and keep doing what they intend to.
These sorts of scammers likely won't buy an account for this because it's not really worth the risk. At the moment anyone can create a new account and try their luck and hope they get some victims. Many would-be scammers quickly get tagged as such but they just create a new account and try again because they have nothing to lose. If they had to buy a new Full Member account each time I doubt these two bit scammers would even bother.
How difficult it is to buy a Full Member account on the forum ?
Banning people from selling accounts would solve this, wouldn't it ? As soon as a thread is started selling accounts, it would be reported and Moderators can then delete it.
I'm not against banning the sale of accounts here but it wouldn't stop their sale elsewhere.
February 11, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
How difficult it is to buy a Full Member account on the forum ?
Banning people from selling accounts would solve this, wouldn't it ? As soon as a thread is started selling accounts, it would be reported and Moderators can then delete it.
Unfortunately I don't think moderators have any interst in dealing with that stuff just like they don't want to deal with spammers, even the most blatant and obvious ones (JAAC aka Skelder/CESAR09 & the likes of "accountservices2" (Kimb0Jamz and 20+ othjers). I'd love to take that job!
It takes a lot of time to check bad apples scammers etc.
I run three mining locations. Small but still take time.
I build rigs for miners and support them.
I run the long alt coin mining thread.
I do reviews.
I have a small YouTube channel.
I pop in and out of threads on this site.
I do some escrow.
I sell some in marketplace here.
I spot check twenty five sites for gear.
All of the above is a one man show.
Damn list is long is it not?
I am retired or it would not be possible to do it all.
I also look for scams.
Lastly I liked the first thread about this and decided to poke my nose into it as milkz and bill gator were both bringing up good points.
About ten days ago maybe 13 I saw so many scammers on the first two pages of market place I was impressed enough to post a warning thread. Hoping to save some people grief .
legendary
Activity: 1919
Merit: 1230
AKA Ms-overzealous-condecsending-explitive-account
February 11, 2018, 05:40:09 PM
How difficult it is to buy a Full Member account on the forum ?
Banning people from selling accounts would solve this, wouldn't it ? As soon as a thread is started selling accounts, it would be reported and Moderators can then delete it.
Unfortunately I don't think moderators have any interst in dealing with that stuff just like they don't want to deal with scammers, even the most blatant and obvious ones (JAAC aka Skelder/CESAR09 & the likes of "accountservices2" (Kimb0Jamz and 20+ othjers). I'd love to take that job!
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