Topic: [SCAM PREVENTION]Remove self-moderation for topics within the marketplace! - page 3. (Read 20931 times)

I strongly support your proposal .

I am new to this who Forum things. I have been always on social media stuff. and just decided to join the forum. as a Newbie it was kind of hard for me to learn about this ( self-moderated ) or ( Locked ) topics. so i went in and i was like . ohh no scam alert posts on this guy, he must be legit or else tons of people would have called him a scammer! . and then by chance I saw the 'LOCK" symbol so i did my research and then understood the idea behind self-moderated and locked topics.

so i posted on one of the topics if the seller was going to accept escrow and suddenly my post got deleted. i visit another topic and check his "selly" link and found lotsa bad reviews on him so i asked "whats' up" ? and again my post got deleted.

so i came to realize the almost ALL self - moderated  / locked on the market place are nothing but a bunch of scammers.

i do realize the importance of these functions for some legit members but the harm it causes to the community is much higher than the benefits.

i strongly side the ban of these functions at least on the market place.

Thanks

You do realise that nearly all, if not all of these sellers who say they are selling Member/Full member/Senior member accounts don't actually have these accounts for sale ? they are scammers who take the buyers money and then disappear without providing an account, if they did have these accounts then the marketplace would be full of Full member/Senior scammers scamming people, it's nearly always members,junior members and newbie sellers that are scamming.

What MiLkz  proposes in the first post is the best solution to this problem.

Without a little bit of clarification I am unsure if I'm understanding the question right. Are you speaking in general, or are you speaking about newbies/lower-ranking members? Earlier in this thread and in the thread that preceded this discussion I had brought up a bunch of what I believe to be valid reasons for self-moderation on those boards.

I disagree.

There are many legitimate sellers who've been harassed before in that section. I can see a lot of DT/trusted users getting spammed with negative comments/spam due to them tagging a scammer. This would make it nearly impossible for them to operate.

However, I do see an issue where new users would see no negative comments and go ahead and trust and then purchase a scammer's goods. Making this into a Member/Full member/Senior member-only feature would not help also as these accounts are being sold for affordable prices and would still making scamming profitable.

Here's what I will propose though.

Instead of the hard to notice
That user was tagged as a scammer and had the
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
so, I guess it isn't all the self mod's fault.

Oh look. Another newbie who got screwed out of some cash whose posts get deleted because the seller has a self-moderated topic...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-alert-3295830


Seriously, why is self-moderation still a thing in the marketplace boards? Has anyone brought up any valid points as to why anyone would need self-moderation in these boards?

A scammer who makes probably thousands of dollars from scamming wouldn't hesitate to spend $40 to get some of the  "copper privileges."   Just like they sometimes buy and give away or sell a REAL gift card to setup what looks like a real "vouch."  

Another Brand New member (AnarchySelling) with a couple of self-moderated threads that includes autobuy links:

• [GiftCards]VISA | Steam | PSN At Affordable Prices [60%]
• 100% Undetectable PUBG RADAR (Packet-Based) $25
• MSDN(Microsoft Developer Network) Invites $30

Can a DT member please red tag this user? Thanks!

Unless you are a dt member no one will see the very well hidden feedback, especially newbies. Even then the best way to stop the scammers is to remove the scamming tools this site happily provides to them, that is self moderating threads and locked threads.

I'm not a fan of negging people without proof but I think I may start leaving negative feedback for self moderated threads in digital goods. I've been thinking of something like the following:

"This user posted a self moderated thread in digital goods which has an extremely high chance of being a scam. If they remove the post and repost without self moderation I will remove this negative feedback"

That is usually the case. In a way I don't feel bad for the scam vicitims. Generally it is greed that overrides common sense and that will almost always lead to them losing their money.


I also find it slightly suspicious that several of us higher trust traders have voiced our concerns about this and it is still a thing. If we know that a high percentage of scammers use the same method to scam and we do nothing about it we are guilty by an act of omission(assuming the person has the privs to solve the problem). I don't have the permissions to remove self moderated threads from digital goods or I would.

I know right.

I can not find any self moderated or locked threads or both from reputable members in the digital goods section, they are all scammer threads, makes me wonder why this site allows these scamming tools, no other site does. 

The scam threads on the digital goods section is horrible, they have like 15 threads bumped to the first page every day

Feeling depressed because staff won't take this problem seriously.    BUMP

I wasn't even aware we could move threads, let alone exploit it.  I completely agree with EcuaMobi, the exploit would have to be removed.

EDIT: theymos took care of the exploit already, check ecuamobi's thread for his response

It may or may not be a problem. I was simply trying to bring up relevant information and point out that our current system is able to be abused even if they are unable to self-moderate in a particular board. There just constantly seems to be something we are failing to consider, which leads to an exploit of some kind to some degree. Something fell through the cracks, and so those places where staff has decided that newbies cannot self-moderate on these boards are still able to be self-moderated. I'm just saying we need to be wary of our past mistakes and not to allow them to slip through in our future solutions and implementations.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-100-amazon-for-20-3198529

I've been trying to post warnings on this users thread, they've already been tagged by DT members, but it's still annoying seeing them bump their thread, while deleting any critical comments. Freely allowing them to spam their scam, without anyone being able to jump in. I'm in full support if we're being honest.

This shouldn't be a problem, if you took away the ability for newer members to self moderate then they would not be able to self moderate, no matter what forum they moved their thread to, right ?

If we are going to implement what you are suggest Milkz, then we would also need to take EcuaMobi's newest thread into consideration when doing so. It may be a little known fact, but there exists exploits that would enable a user to take advantage of a thread as if it was self-moderated, even without making it self-moderated.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33077273

I'm not sure about all of the nuances, or exactly how this would play into what is being suggested, but it certainly cannot be discounted if removing self-moderation from lower-ranking members is something that is to be taken seriously.

I bumped into a Jr. Member today that had a self-moderated thread, in which they were blatantly a scammer that was deleting any critical comments, reasonable questions or pretty much anything except for vouches (from their alts?) and self-bumps. After a few other members jumped in on their thread to warn potential victims they resorted to locking their thread. I imagine this user will unlock their thread when they feel it is safe.

TheQuinn suggested an auto-lock after X days without a post and I thought this might work nicely in conjunction with what is being proposed. Auto-lock after X days, not allowing lower ranking members to self-moderate their topics, fixing the loopholes as pointed out by EcuaMobi and potentially not allowing these members to unlock their threads as well. All of this would play nicely towards a more tidy and strict on newbies approach that would almost certainly benefit the forum in a major way.

Yep

I am sure it happens a lot more than we know about.. and it will continue.. they bump their threads every hour filling half of the first page of digital goods with scams -.-

Yet more reasons why this needs to be implemented, how many more people need to be scammed ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33231264

https://ufile.io/k4zr4

Well let hope this doesn't take years to implement. I believe this is a matter of urgency and the longer it takes the more people will be scammed.

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