Topic: [SCAM PREVENTION]Remove self-moderation for topics within the marketplace! - page 4. (Read 20931 times)

Post it in EcuaMobi's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/avoid-auto-buy-links-mainly-locked-or-self-moderated-register-before-dealing-3035620

You're more likely to get a quicker response from there. Or simply sending EM a PM is probably the quickest way.

It just sucks seeing the self-moderated and/or locked topics keep popping up in the marketplace. Every time I see one, I think to myself that another sucker is about to get got...

Please tag this account:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iphone-x-sealed-256gb-color-silver-3189236

Registered today and very first post is a locked post on the Goods section.

I pm'd him a few times asking him to unlock the thread but as usual I expect to be ignored.

Appreciation from my side, I agree what you have said, self moderation topics are heaven for scammers and to restrict users to create self moderation topics in marketplace will help to reduce their impact on forum.
If administrator or staff don't want to implement it for all members then this would be the best option indeed.

Oh, I didn't know the delete did not work for an entire thread, I have never tried it.  Well they can at least edit the main topic to avoid negative trust.

You're right, that would be a problem. There could be rules for newbies and jr. members to prevent them from creating a new thread after several days they've locked one, but that would probably bee too complex.

Yes, I guess. But considering only moderators can delete threads (I mean the whole thread and OP, not only a single post) then I think it's too much to ask to allow newbies to delete their threads. Besides it can delete other's warnings and important information.

My fault, I see now

Removing the ability to unlock threads would allow them only 1 bump before they had to lock it, however..  The scammers would then have to create a new thread and quickly lock it every time they wanted to bump.  This would circumvent our new limitations and create more spam.

I think the ability to delete a thread would suffice for what you want?

I don't know who made that thread sticky. I don't have any information. I just hope it helps reducing the scams, especially against newbies and non-registered users.

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I just saw this, sorry for the late reply:


I know you included locked threads in OP. My point was that I'd forbid threads being unlocked rather than being locked.
Allowing newbies to lock threads can be useful some times.

It kind of happened under the radar, and afaik, no one took credit for it. Maybe ask EcuaMobi?

Yes, that helps some, definitely better than nothing.

Do we have any idea what mod stickied that thread?  Maybe they can contact the admin..

I think we've hit a minor milestone. EcuaMobi's thread "[WARNING] Avoid auto-buy links, especially by newbies, locked or self-moderated" has been stickied to the Digital goods board.

While this isn't exactly the solution you've recommended, it is at least an acknowledgement by staff that there is a problem with [at least] newbie accounts that self-moderate their threads.

However, I still believe that there is a need to remove the feature from the marketplace altogether, so I'll continue to bump this thread occasionally until it is implemented, or at least addressed.

Exactly

bump for a major problem that needs fixed

A lot of people have said the same thing about spammers and shit posters. It took years, but the merit system was introduced as a self-governing way to combat the problem.

If enough people make noise and show concern here about scammers and their blatant/obvious attempts to scam people by utilizing certain tools/features that they have access to, then it's just a matter of time before the staff see this and explore the options and variables that are being brought up.

While this forum is not a democracy, the staff actually do listen. But I do understand your frustration; it may hold more value if theymos actually addressed some of these concerns, whether it's in favor of the suggestion or not.

I think you are just wasting your time, the staff will never implement changes to stop scammers, even though they know you are correct, even though they know it's the right thing to do, their pride will get in the way.

Really, newbie? It's been discussed to eternity? You've been a member of the forums for less than a year, hardly an eternity

But I think that this point is raised constantly because there hasn't been a valid solution that has been implemented. And until theymos or Cyrus answer in any of these topics with a definitive answer, they will continue to be asked. Additionally, requiring a member to check the Scam Accusations thread before purchasing anything and trying to navigate it to find a relevant post with the possibility that their seller will have a thread? HORRIBLE user flow, and highly ineffective. Which is why posts like this keep popping up.

This subject has been discussed to eternity. On the off chance that you think somebody is misleading or doing fishy stuff , make a post about it in the scam accusation board, or leave frickin neg trust. Just don't believe any individual who makes self moderated threat with suspicious reason or other shady shit .What making a self moderated thread stays in this forum is different perception of people , so it might be normal to be skeptical just like us

I was thinking sending a PM every couple weeks?


Yep, I have that in my original suggestion. Locked threads can just as easily be using in the same fashion as self-moderation.

DT members, please replace my red trust on this thread locker's post with yours:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ebay-or-amazon-account-suspended-or-suspension-service-3057667

I will then remove mine.

I tentatively tagged the account to prevent some gullible members from being lured into his whatsapp trap.

Thanks.

I didn't see philipma1957's warning either. Unfortunately every non-bumped thread gets lost pretty soon there. A fair warning should be sticked on Digital Goods especially.

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I just want to show my support to disallowing self-moderation for newbies. I'd also forbid them to unlock threads.

Locking is sometimes required for them. I've warned several newbies asking for loans without collateral for example, giving them a chance to immediately close and lock their threads instead of getting negative trust.
When a newbie locks a thread, a warning should be shown telling them they won't be allowed to unlock them, so no more bumps for them. Locked would really mean closed.

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Done

I'm here because I saw EcuaMobi's warning thread in the Marketplace. I didn't see yours, and I've included the Marketplace board on my watchlist. Sad, because it just goes to show how many scammers are starting new threads lately.

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I also came here to say that I fully support the idea of restricting self-moderation options for newbies. I hate to say that people should be able to easily identify scams and avoid because we all know that it wouldn't keep happening if people were just a bit patient and did some due diligence before making purchases. Unfortunately, as much as the staff don't want to get involved with the ecosystem of the boards, scams within the marketplace here contribute to a negative view about the forums overall. I, myself, have been scammed for a service here (and I'm pretty tech-savvy), and every time I posted my experiences on the thread, it would be deleted immediately.

That brings me to my next question. Is there any reason at all to keep the self-moderation option for newbies? I could understand that they want to keep their topics clean and organized, but isn't that what the top-post is for? I'd imagine that a simple edit (and inclusion of quotes, if necessary) and maintaining a well-organized top post would fulfill the same duties as self-moderation, amiright?

I'd love to see the admins at least acknowledge that they've seen this topic. I see no use for newbies to use self-moderation features in the marketplace.

I would of thought some feedback in this thread from staff would of been appropriate, considering this is a very serious problem on this site.