Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 104. (Read 845650 times)
I really dont believe that god exists.. If u believe it or not will depend on how u are educated.
If bible, koran, torah and other holy scriptures are wrong this will not prove that there is no God. If there is a God there is no way we can prove his existence if he don't want to. Our civilization is still very young, still many things we cannot explained.
As was said directly above your post, God made science to prove his existence. Actually, He made science so we could prove His existence to ourselves.
All the holy books in the world might be wrong, but science still proves God's existence.
Hebrews 3:4 gives you the best proof that God exists...
"For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God."
We have no problem believing that a smartwatch cannot just come out of "chance". If we had its parts and kept stirring them in a pot, even after BILLIONS of years it would never turn into a smart watch.
Yet, many believe that our UNIVERSE, the perfect COLLECTION of infallible watches was made by chance and no divine intervention!
As well, wherever there are LAWS there is a legislator behind. Laws don't just happen by chance.
And there are BILLIONS of laws governing our earth and the universe... hence there must be a Greater Legislator behind.
It's plain logic, it simply can't be otherwise.
"For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God."
We have no problem believing that a smartwatch cannot just come out of "chance". If we had its parts and kept stirring them in a pot, even after BILLIONS of years it would never turn into a smart watch.
Yet, many believe that our UNIVERSE, the perfect COLLECTION of infallible watches was made by chance and no divine intervention!
As well, wherever there are LAWS there is a legislator behind. Laws don't just happen by chance.
And there are BILLIONS of laws governing our earth and the universe... hence there must be a Greater Legislator behind.
It's plain logic, it simply can't be otherwise.
If bible, koran, torah and other holy scriptures are wrong this will not prove that there is no God. If there is a God there is no way we can prove his existence if he don't want to. Our civilization is still very young, still many things we cannot explained.
As was said directly above your post, God made science to prove his existence. Actually, He made science so we could prove His existence to ourselves.
All the holy books in the world might be wrong, but science still proves God's existence.
Yes i believe in that too! Science is created to prove that God really exists!
I take my very long posts to mean I have clearly done more work than most on this very particular subject, particular in that some would describe myself as an athiest, me I still question even this.
As an Athiest, I may say I do N0T believe in god, but I cant, because I know of a higher scource, just as the scummy masonic paedo's are beneath even athiest's.. feet... freemasons are now the holy unclean, constantly washing the blood of kids souls from the sweat of their brow, even whilst they plan the next meeting where they go down on bended knee.. the most sexually depraved people make freemasonry what it is today, no-one else..
An athiest believes in no god. 0r so they say. 0ther's would say we believe in no-thing, but since no thing does not exist, since no-thing in itself is zero or 0.
Now as an athiest, I may say that I believe in '0' proving God's signature, or loop of life., In my opinion, I cant not believe in god, based entirely on what I write, for I clearly have a knowledge of both god and the devil proving they do in fact exist, why the jews wont admit this signature, because god is the circle of life, not the endless path of death, that the jews would be placing in the upcoming quatermass incident in israel.
Every mofo here knows the second coming is of lucifer, and all they'll do is shit themselves when that happens, until then, they rule the world, because they sold their kids soul's or they'd be akin to the fuckin immigrants.. they'd have no-thing. Like the poor profane tey trod on everyday... like badicker n vod used to do with me.
and to quote from a very particular txt from a mason:
(It's in capitals cause that's the way it is, you can say you think capitals is shouting, but when I ask if am I loud enough, will you hear me?)
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MAN WHO HAS THE POWER TO INVESTIGATE THE MYSTERIOUS WAYS OF INTELLIGENCE. THERE IS NOT A BEING WHICH IS CAPABLE OF TRUE FAITH. ONLY IN THE IDIOCY OF THE COMMON SOUL IS THERE A PROVEN FUTURE. THE PARTITIONS OF HISTORY HAVE TAUGHT US NOT TO DOUBT INSANITY AND ITS VIRTUES, AND SO THOSE CONDEMNED TO THIS LIFE ARE FOREVER DESTITUTE OF UNDERSTANDING. THESE ARE THE RAMBLINGS OF AN OLD WITHERED SOUL. I AM DEAD YET I CANNOT BE, FOR I AM GOD.
WHAT IS TO BE MADE OF THIS LUNACY? A TRIUMPH OF PERSONAL SACRIFICE PERHAPS. ALLOW THE SICKLE ROOM TO WORK ITS DEED. LET YOURSELVES FLOURISH IN ITS BEAUTY. ALL IS GONE AND YET WE LIVE ON, HARVESTING EACH DAY WITH THE HOPE, OVERPOWERING THIS INDIGNATION. THIS CONTEMPT OF REALITY IS DISPLEASING.
AND SO WITHOUT HASTE I EMBARK UPON MY JOURNEY, WANDERING FREE OF HUMANITY AND ITS DISGUST. IN THESE RUINS OF WHERE ONCE EXISTED A SPITEFUL COMMUNIST SOCIETY, I LEAVE TRUST. HATRED. GUILT. SORROW. THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF MAN! EMBRACE IT. ALLOW YOUR TEETH TO SINK INTO ITS RICHNESS. WHEN ALL IS CALM, A LONE SOUL WILL SPEAK. LEARN FROM IT. LEARN FROM YOURSELF. INSANITY IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE.
THANK YOU, MY AUDIENCE...
As an Athiest, I may say I do N0T believe in god, but I cant, because I know of a higher scource, just as the scummy masonic paedo's are beneath even athiest's.. feet... freemasons are now the holy unclean, constantly washing the blood of kids souls from the sweat of their brow, even whilst they plan the next meeting where they go down on bended knee.. the most sexually depraved people make freemasonry what it is today, no-one else..
An athiest believes in no god. 0r so they say. 0ther's would say we believe in no-thing, but since no thing does not exist, since no-thing in itself is zero or 0.
Now as an athiest, I may say that I believe in '0' proving God's signature, or loop of life., In my opinion, I cant not believe in god, based entirely on what I write, for I clearly have a knowledge of both god and the devil proving they do in fact exist, why the jews wont admit this signature, because god is the circle of life, not the endless path of death, that the jews would be placing in the upcoming quatermass incident in israel.
Every mofo here knows the second coming is of lucifer, and all they'll do is shit themselves when that happens, until then, they rule the world, because they sold their kids soul's or they'd be akin to the fuckin immigrants.. they'd have no-thing. Like the poor profane tey trod on everyday... like badicker n vod used to do with me.
and to quote from a very particular txt from a mason:
(It's in capitals cause that's the way it is, you can say you think capitals is shouting, but when I ask if am I loud enough, will you hear me?)
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MAN WHO HAS THE POWER TO INVESTIGATE THE MYSTERIOUS WAYS OF INTELLIGENCE. THERE IS NOT A BEING WHICH IS CAPABLE OF TRUE FAITH. ONLY IN THE IDIOCY OF THE COMMON SOUL IS THERE A PROVEN FUTURE. THE PARTITIONS OF HISTORY HAVE TAUGHT US NOT TO DOUBT INSANITY AND ITS VIRTUES, AND SO THOSE CONDEMNED TO THIS LIFE ARE FOREVER DESTITUTE OF UNDERSTANDING. THESE ARE THE RAMBLINGS OF AN OLD WITHERED SOUL. I AM DEAD YET I CANNOT BE, FOR I AM GOD.
WHAT IS TO BE MADE OF THIS LUNACY? A TRIUMPH OF PERSONAL SACRIFICE PERHAPS. ALLOW THE SICKLE ROOM TO WORK ITS DEED. LET YOURSELVES FLOURISH IN ITS BEAUTY. ALL IS GONE AND YET WE LIVE ON, HARVESTING EACH DAY WITH THE HOPE, OVERPOWERING THIS INDIGNATION. THIS CONTEMPT OF REALITY IS DISPLEASING.
AND SO WITHOUT HASTE I EMBARK UPON MY JOURNEY, WANDERING FREE OF HUMANITY AND ITS DISGUST. IN THESE RUINS OF WHERE ONCE EXISTED A SPITEFUL COMMUNIST SOCIETY, I LEAVE TRUST. HATRED. GUILT. SORROW. THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF MAN! EMBRACE IT. ALLOW YOUR TEETH TO SINK INTO ITS RICHNESS. WHEN ALL IS CALM, A LONE SOUL WILL SPEAK. LEARN FROM IT. LEARN FROM YOURSELF. INSANITY IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE.
THANK YOU, MY AUDIENCE...
Your self-contradiction is that God reveals Himself. It's simply that God reveals Himself in ways that He wants to... not in the ways we want Him to.
One example in the things you say: "THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MAN WHO HAS THE POWER TO INVESTIGATE THE MYSTERIOUS WAYS OF INTELLIGENCE." Yet God reveals that He exists simply through the fact that there is intelligence.
Thanks for showing us that God exists.
The very concept of God is something that can't be proven. And this to me it's something that is only possible in the world of fantasy.
Exactly. If a god does exist, it must exist outside of the universe that it created. The concept of God is easy to prove. Here's how. The concept of the universe is so vast that it is impossible for the universe to exist, except that it does. There is no source that we understand for the existence of the universe. Because of the complexity in the universe, the source is God no matter what He/It is.
God doesn't necessarily exist outside of the universe. Rather, He existed without the universe before He created it. Once He brought the universe into being, God might have existed within or without or both. Why can we say this? God is so different, and so much more powerful than anything that we know, that we don't know what His capabilities are.
Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933
There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.
Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.
There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.
Get over it, magic is not real, why is it so hard to accept it, what do you gain from this?
I proved that consciousness is a primary force in the universe and these tests have been conducted since the 19th century. You failed to consider that the tests could be valid because you think you know everything already.I get to prove that you do not care about science and testing the structure of the universe.
This thread is also about proving god, not proving magic. I won't replicate shit, show me people moving shit with their minds and I will believe you, no need for stupid experiments, it's really that easy, we would see them everywhere, yet no one has seen someone move something with their mind unless there is a magician performing LUL
There is a need for experiments in this thread, since it is all about science. The tests show that matter reduces to consciousness, not vice versa. You do not care about these tests but that is what they prove. The experiment I just mentioned is about ingesting ORMEs, you can try it on yourself and repeat it on a daily basis until you are convinced that there is something inside the sea salt which affects the mind.
Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933
Another good link mentioned in another answer to that question:
http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Get over it, magic is not real, why is it so hard to accept it, what do you gain from this? This thread is also about proving god, not proving magic. I won't replicate shit, show me people moving shit with their minds and I will believe you, no need for stupid experiments, it's really that easy, we would see them everywhere, yet no one has seen someone move something with their mind unless there is a magician performing LUL
The experiment I just mentioned is about ingesting ORMEs, you can try it on yourself and repeat it on a daily basis until you are convinced that there is something inside the sea salt which affects the mind.
Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933
Another good link mentioned in another answer to that question:
http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Where are the applications.
Science is not about applications. It is about evaluating evidence and making observations. I showed you the tests, now you must evaluate the evidence and come to a conclusion. There is no logical reason to reject the wealth of evidence I have presented. In fact I already showed some applications in this link: http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Before arguing the point, try reading the evidence.
An obscure webpage about magic, go figure. One day you will learn the fact that magic is not real, maybe it takes you 20 years but I guarantee you, you will never see someone perform telekinesis stop being ridiculous, real scientists have stopped looking into it decades ago.
They have and they realized telekinesis is bullshit that's why no one is talking about it anymore, only nutjobs like you. I'm a random person, you don't need me to examine the evidence, other real scientists have and they have got to the conclusion that it doesn't exist. Psychokinesis experiments have historically been criticized for lack of proper controls and repeatability.[7][8][9][10] There is no convincing evidence that psychokinesis is a real phenomenon, and the topic is generally regarded as pseudoscience.[7][11][12][13]
There is a broad scientific consensus that PK research, and parapsychology more generally, have not produced a reliable, repeatable demonstration
The ideas of psychokinesis and telekinesis violate several well-established laws of physics, including the inverse square law, the second law of thermodynamics, and the conservation of momentum.[79][91] Because of this, scientists have demanded a high standard of evidence for PK, in line with Marcello Truzzi's dictum "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".[10][92] The Occam's razor law of parsimony in scientific explanations of phenomena suggests that the explanation of PK in terms of ordinary ways — by trickery, special effects or by poor experimental design — is preferable to accepting that the laws of physics should be rewritten
Internationally there are individual skeptics of the paranormal and skeptics' organizations who offer cash prize money for demonstration of the existence of an extraordinary psychic power, such as psychokinesis.[110] Prizes have been offered specifically for PK demonstrations: for example, businessman Gerald Fleming's offer of £250,000 to Uri Geller if he can bend a spoon under controlled conditions.[111] The James Randi Educational Foundation offered the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge to any accepted candidate who managed to produce a paranormal event in a controlled, mutually agreed upon experiment.
Please, stop believing in magic, you are an adult.
I take very long posts as two possible things:
-1: An attempt to lecture others (Implying your own superiority or possesion of truth).
-2: The equivalent of shouting.
I listen to none of those when having a discussion (That's just me, noone, other people might love it).
Also, saying that a webpage contains the proof of god's existance ignores that there was no internet access during most of the human history.
IMHO, a god should care for people of all ages and the same truth should have been readily available for all social classes now and 5000 years ago. Sure such a powerful being can manage that. The same can be said about books...
Such readily available knowledge does not exist, therefore... (Use logic to finish the phrase).
-1: An attempt to lecture others (Implying your own superiority or possesion of truth).
-2: The equivalent of shouting.
I listen to none of those when having a discussion (That's just me, noone, other people might love it).
Also, saying that a webpage contains the proof of god's existance ignores that there was no internet access during most of the human history.
IMHO, a god should care for people of all ages and the same truth should have been readily available for all social classes now and 5000 years ago. Sure such a powerful being can manage that. The same can be said about books...
Such readily available knowledge does not exist, therefore... (Use logic to finish the phrase).
The very concept of God is something that can't be proven. And this to me it's something that is only possible in the world of fantasy.
Exactly. If a god does exist, it must exist outside of the universe that it created. Where are the applications.
Science is not about applications. It is about evaluating evidence and making observations. I showed you the tests, now you must evaluate the evidence and come to a conclusion. There is no logical reason to reject the wealth of evidence I have presented. In fact I already showed some applications in this link: http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Before arguing the point, try reading the evidence.
An obscure webpage about magic, go figure. One day you will learn the fact that magic is not real, maybe it takes you 20 years but I guarantee you, you will never see someone perform telekinesis stop being ridiculous, real scientists have stopped looking into it decades ago.
The very concept of God is something that can't be proven. And this to me it's something that is only possible in the world of fantasy.
Where are the applications.
Science is not about applications. It is about evaluating evidence and making observations. I showed you the tests, now you must evaluate the evidence and come to a conclusion. There is no logical reason to reject the wealth of evidence I have presented. In fact I already showed some applications in this link: http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Before arguing the point, try reading the evidence.
An obscure webpage about magic, go figure. One day you will learn the fact that magic is not real, maybe it takes you 20 years but I guarantee you, you will never see someone perform telekinesis stop being ridiculous, real scientists have stopped looking into it decades ago.
Where are the applications.
Science is not about applications. It is about evaluating evidence and making observations. I showed you the tests, now you must evaluate the evidence and come to a conclusion. There is no logical reason to reject the wealth of evidence I have presented. In fact I already showed some applications in this link: http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Before arguing the point, try reading the evidence.
So why do you think that is the case? I think it's because the hypotheses are unrepeatable, and to be frank, woo.
You mean the experiments are not repeatable? You should try one and see for yourself, this experiment I posted is about as easy as it gets.You cannot ingest qubits. They are a conceptual idea of information, not an actual physical thing. Like the classic "bit" they are just a form of information, not a physical, tangible piece of matter that you can hold or eat.
OK, I should have made this more clear: Since the ORMEs have quantum properties and ingesting them effects the mind, this implies that the ORMEs are interacting with the qubit state of tubulin.Specifically, Orch OR proposes that tubulin proteins comprising microtubule cylindrical lattices function as 'bits' -- switching between alternative states (e.g. of 1 or 0), as well as quantum bits or 'qubits' (existing transiently as quantum superposition of both 1 AND 0).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFFbxoHp3s
Which one is repeatable? You posted a bunch of personal experiences of some people that you can't even know if they are actually true or not, that's not repeatable. If telekinesis was real, for example, it would be so easy to prove, everyone would know by know it exists, you would see people do it all the time in real life, you wouldn't even need to really prove it.
Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933
Another good link mentioned in another answer to that question:
http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Another good link : https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true
There is no evidence, get over it, if scientists have really been conducting successful experiments til now then we wouldn't need to believe in it or not, it would be proven and it would be used, telekinesis would have enormous applications that I have yet not seen and you neither.
Eminent and capable scientists have really been conducting successful experiments from the 19th century til now. I sourced my claim by pointing to many important tests. What have you done about it? You just literally said "I don't care about the evidence, I will not believe any of it until there are widespread applications". That is not how science works.
Where are the applications.
So why do you think that is the case? I think it's because the hypotheses are unrepeatable, and to be frank, woo.
You mean the experiments are not repeatable? You should try one and see for yourself, this experiment I posted is about as easy as it gets.You cannot ingest qubits. They are a conceptual idea of information, not an actual physical thing. Like the classic "bit" they are just a form of information, not a physical, tangible piece of matter that you can hold or eat.
OK, I should have made this more clear: Since the ORMEs have quantum properties and ingesting them effects the mind, this implies that the ORMEs are interacting with the qubit state of tubulin.Specifically, Orch OR proposes that tubulin proteins comprising microtubule cylindrical lattices function as 'bits' -- switching between alternative states (e.g. of 1 or 0), as well as quantum bits or 'qubits' (existing transiently as quantum superposition of both 1 AND 0).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFFbxoHp3s
Which one is repeatable? You posted a bunch of personal experiences of some people that you can't even know if they are actually true or not, that's not repeatable. If telekinesis was real, for example, it would be so easy to prove, everyone would know by know it exists, you would see people do it all the time in real life, you wouldn't even need to really prove it.
Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933
Another good link mentioned in another answer to that question:
http://www.thiaoouba.com/kir.htm
Another good link : https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true
There is no evidence, get over it, if scientists have really been conducting successful experiments til now then we wouldn't need to believe in it or not, it would be proven and it would be used, telekinesis would have enormous applications that I have yet not seen and you neither.
Eminent and capable scientists have really been conducting successful experiments from the 19th century til now. I sourced my claim by pointing to many important tests. What have you done about it? You just literally said "I don't care about the evidence, I will not believe any of it until there are widespread applications". That is not how science works.
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